Des Lynam Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 53 minutes ago, thewiseone said: Always liked Ryan, as a player, the sort you'd want in the trenches with you when things got tough, calls a spade , a spade. Wasn't blessed with the greatest ability but made up for it in attitude. Could have done with his spirit at Fir Park. A good honest pro! We are living in strange times indeed, can't ever recall a Sun story being this close to the truth before. Afterall heart attacks and footballers , yeah happens everyday. I think you got that the wrong way round his ability was fine but he even admits his attitude was wrong. Footballers have been collapsing with heart problems well before coronavirus vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Bill Gates has a time machine 👍 so thats why vista was awful, all the R&D was spent on his time machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I'm 64 and I wonder if older folks suffer less post jab reaction. Most of my friends say the same 🤷♂️ 64, that's ****ing ancient. As a young 58 year-old, glad I suffered no ill effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Latest scare from the Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10242493/Is-Botswana-variant-sudden-Covid-surge-South-Africa.html Super-mutant 'vaccine resistant' Botswana Covid variant is driving South African surge and is nearing dominance just WEEKS after first being detected - sparking calls for a new travel ban on region to prevent outbreak here South Africa's infection rate is growing exponentially after Botswana Covid variant was spotted in the country Scientists warn it has spread to most of South Africa's provinces and is set to become dominant 'very quickly' They fear the strain is highly transmissible and can infect vaccinated people more easily than the Delta variant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: I think you got that the wrong way round his ability was fine but he even admits his attitude was wrong. Footballers have been collapsing with heart problems well before coronavirus vaccinations. Yes I know happened every week, I mean everyday! Nothing new here. It won't be long til we'll be able to do an in play bet on the next one to go down, I'm surprised it's never been on bet builder afterall it's as common as a sending off! https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11682/12478437/charlie-wyke-wigan-striker-stable-in-hospital-after-collapsing-during-training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, thewiseone said: Yes I know happened every week, I mean everyday! Nothing new here. It won't be long til we'll be able to do an in play bet on the next one to go down, I'm surprised it's never been on bet builder afterall it's as common as a sending off! https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11682/12478437/charlie-wyke-wigan-striker-stable-in-hospital-after-collapsing-during-training. How do you know he's had the vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: For the nutters trying to make a connection between footballers collapsing and the vaccine, a man collapses on the football pitch every 4 days, it's been happening for years. Here's a link to a discussion 9 years ago. Why are so many football players dying or collapsing from heart attacks...? - The Student Room It is almost like they had a reason for putting defibrillators in every sports club/ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, thewiseone said: Yes I know happened every week, I mean everyday! Nothing new here. It won't be long til we'll be able to do an in play bet on the next one to go down, I'm surprised it's never been on bet builder afterall it's as common as a sending off! https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11682/12478437/charlie-wyke-wigan-striker-stable-in-hospital-after-collapsing-during-training. No way should you be allowed to post your shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, thewiseone said: Yes I know happened every week, I mean everyday! Nothing new here. It won't be long til we'll be able to do an in play bet on the next one to go down, I'm surprised it's never been on bet builder afterall it's as common as a sending off! https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11682/12478437/charlie-wyke-wigan-striker-stable-in-hospital-after-collapsing-during-training. You don't even know if any of those players are vaccinated. Erikson wasn't vaccinated. 99% of Liverpool players and staff are vaccinated, none of them are collapsing. I didn't think I would say this, but it's for folk like you that I wouldn't mind Sturgeon tightening covid passports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewiseone Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: Latest scare from the Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10242493/Is-Botswana-variant-sudden-Covid-surge-South-Africa.html Super-mutant 'vaccine resistant' Botswana Covid variant is driving South African surge and is nearing dominance just WEEKS after first being detected - sparking calls for a new travel ban on region to prevent outbreak here South Africa's infection rate is growing exponentially after Botswana Covid variant was spotted in the country Scientists warn it has spread to most of South Africa's provinces and is set to become dominant 'very quickly' They fear the strain is highly transmissible and can infect vaccinated people more easily than the Delta variant 🤣😂😂🤣😂😂 Botswana Covid variant brilliant. This is turning into a right carry on. Just as an addition to this story you are aware that the German Man of the People, you know the guy that's credited with the agenda the government's have signed up to, Herr Schwab used to hold a position on the board at the Daily Mail?🤔 Now if I was a cynic and/ or a conspiracy theorist I'd begin to wonder about these dots as they seem to be drawing a clearer picture but like Nucky above I'll just keep lifting the carpet and sweeping away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) How long before some anti-vaxxer freak has a health episode and then blames it on the vaccine they haven't had? Edited November 25, 2021 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 A notable UK milestone today with the number of confirmed cases now exceeding 10m. That is a fair chunk of acquired immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 How do we know a collapse wasn't a result of contracting Covid which we know can cause long term organ damage? Similarly when people talk about the long term impacts of the vaccine; where's the balance against the long term impacts of catching covid? Funny how the vaccine sceptics never think in those terms isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Costanza said: How do we know a collapse wasn't a result of contracting Covid which we know can cause long term organ damage? Similarly when people talk about the long term impacts of the vaccine; where's the balance against the long term impacts of catching covid? Funny how the vaccine sceptics never think in those terms isn't it? Seen a few folk being certain it was covid or it was the vaccine or it’s always been happening. Being open minded individual cases will vary, can’t rule anything out but also can’t be sure of the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: A notable UK milestone today with the number of confirmed cases now exceeding 10m. That is a fair chunk of acquired immunity. Not really that significant at all in terms of acquired immunity. Those are over about 20 or 21 months. A lot of that immunity has substantially waned over time. It also pales into low significance when compared to the acquired immunity via vaccinations, both in scale and on the timeline. There's still very limited knowledge regarding how well T and B cell immune memory is performing and likely to persist. There might be some benefit there, but also in those vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, SuperstarSteve said: Seen a few folk being certain it was covid or it was the vaccine or it’s always been happening. Being open minded individual cases will vary, can’t rule anything out but also can’t be sure of the cause. Agree. It's the certainty of the vaccine sceptics and their pseudo science BS that grinds my gears though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, Victorian said: Not really that significant at all in terms of acquired immunity. Those are over about 20 or 21 months. A lot of that immunity has substantially waned over time. It also pales into low significance when compared to the acquired immunity via vaccinations, both in scale and on the timeline. There's still very limited knowledge regarding how well T and B cell immune memory is performing and likely to persist. There might be some benefit there, but also in those vaccinations. 75% (7.5m) of those recorded infections have been in 2021, so the waning effect of acquired immunity may not be as big as you suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Footballfirst said: 75% (7.5m) of those recorded infections have been in 2021, so the waning effect of acquired immunity may not be as big as you suggest. Still a lot, but much more importantly, the scale of vaccination means that most of those have been superseded by more recent vaccinations or are infections despite vaccinations. There can't be that much current acquired immunity in existence that isn't due to vaccinations. But it all helps. The matter of immunity memory in specialist cells is probably more important. The immune system remembers the infections it has bern primed to recognise and produces antibodies when it encounters a remembered infection. This is a separate level of protection to current antibody levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Study on the efficacy of vaccines across Europe: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.47.2101021 Very positive in terms of Scotland. 86% of deaths averted in those ages 60+ 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 22 hours ago, Taffin said: Cheers, really small numbers so I guess it's susceptible to spikes. That said, 45 doesn't seem madly out of kilter with 47 year to 5th July. No it isn't. A week of high or low deaths could completely change the look of those statistics so with such small figures it's difficult to interpret anything significant from them other than to note that at this point unlike total deaths and the other age categories which have shown a significant decrease in deaths in the second half of this year compared to the first half of it and the whole of last year the under 45 category hasn't and it is the only one that currently is trending upwards in comparison. Although being a small number they aren't too much lower than the sample sizes used by some of these effectiveness trials done by the CDC. The last one I read used a study of 179 covid positive case patients aged between 12-18 and compared the hospatilisation results of the 173 unvaccinated case patients with the 6 vaccinated case patients to conclude that the pfizer vaccine was 93% effective amongst 12-18 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 It seems that there is real concern about the "Botswana" variant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 "Not a concern for the UK" to that in a few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: It seems that there is real concern about the "Botswana" variant. I suppose they have moved from South American " variants " to the African continent. A new variant or two just in time for Xmas, De ja vu ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, JamesM48 said: I suppose they have moved from South American " variants " to the African continent. A new variant or two just in time for Xmas, De ja vu ............. You being a naive fool. De ja vu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco_Jambo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: It seems that there is real concern about the "Botswana" variant. Maybe the western countries will move away from trying to pressure and force young fit people to get the vaccine in their own countries and shift focus to those countries where the old and vulnerable would benefit far more from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Victorian said: You being a naive fool. De ja vu. De ja vu...you being you...your so naive really.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I suppose they have moved from South American " variants " to the African continent. A new variant or two just in time for Xmas, De ja vu ............. Yeah, I mean the Alpha variant last Christmas didn't cause any bother eh. Some laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: De ja vu...you being you...your so naive really.......... The dismiss everything by default ideology would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic. I'm sure we can all agree that everyone's hope is that this is a false alarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Variants, shmariants. As if Delta was ever going to make it from India to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Victorian said: "Not a concern for the UK" to that in a few hours. Yeah doesn’t bode well but hopefully vaccine efficacy isn’t affected and therefore Christmas won’t be either 🤞🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I suppose they have moved from South American " variants " to the African continent. A new variant or two just in time for Xmas, De ja vu ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, Alex Kintner said: Yeah doesn’t bode well but hopefully vaccine efficacy isn’t affected and therefore Christmas won’t be either 🤞🏻 "More data needed" on the back of very limited data is a red flag. But "precautionary" allows some hope that lessons are finally being learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Victorian said: The dismiss everything by default ideology would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic. I'm sure we can all agree that everyone's hope is that this is a false alarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: Better Jeemsy. Fingers crossed eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Radio Ga Ga said: Due to get my booster on Sunday but was thinking of giving the flu jab a miss as I know a few folk who have been floored for a few days when getting double jabbed whereas nothing of note for the ones who only took the booster. Would be interested to hear of any feedback for those who took both covid and flu jabs on the same day? Booster (Pfiser) and Flu on Monday....other than a (very) mild flu-ey feeling for a few hours and sore arms for a day or so, I was fine...1st vaccine jab (AZ) floored me for 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 We'll make a working poster out of the various bits of James with more pile ons, I reckon. A sort of Frankenstein : The Digital Prometheus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Victorian said: Better Jeemsy. Fingers crossed eh? Im sure there is nothing to worry about. I can almost guarantee it. I may eat my words but I think itll turn out ok and everyone ( vast vast majority ) will have a happy Xmas ( like last year really ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: Im sure there is nothing to worry about. I can almost guarantee it. I may eat my words but I think itll turn out ok and everyone ( vast vast majority ) will have a happy Xmas ( like last year really ) Good lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 BBC reporter suggested that there's a very high level of concern in government. But it's only about 2 days ago that this was identified so the only possible bit of data they can be looking at is it's rate of spread. Transmissibility. There may also be scientific community concern about the scale and nature of mutations in this having a real effect on the efficacy against acute illness. But that can't be observed for a few weeks at least. Even then, there's going to have to be a comparative study of outcomes in unvaccinated and vaccinated of different vaccines. It'll take until into next year before much is known there. If there's not much effect on the protection from acute illness then it's not really that bad. That's by a long way the most crucial thing. But the suspected transmissibility could mean restrictions. Buckle up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Victorian said: BBC reporter suggested that there's a very high level of concern in government. But it's only about 2 days ago that this was identified so the only possible bit of data they can be looking at is it's rate of spread. Transmissibility. There may also be scientific community concern about the scale and nature of mutations in this having a real effect on the efficacy against acute illness. But that can't be observed for a few weeks at least. Even then, there's going to have to be a comparative study of outcomes in unvaccinated and vaccinated of different vaccines. It'll take until into next year before much is known there. If there's not much effect on the protection from acute illness then it's not really that bad. That's by a long way the most crucial thing. But the suspected transmissibility could mean restrictions. Buckle up. The CV passports will be needed to keep infections down. Might even have to make vaccination mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, luckydug said: The CV passports will be needed to keep infections down. Might even have to make vaccination mandatory. Feed me 💉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, luckydug said: The CV passports will be needed to keep infections down. Might even have to make vaccination mandatory. It’s gonna be a long winter that’s for sure, don’t think mandatory vaccine will happen though, not ruling it out but as other have mentioned we have a high % uptake compared to most places. I’m interested in our plan to tackle patient to patient spread in hospitals for this upcoming winter. There might already be a plan of action but I’ve no seen anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, luckydug said: The CV passports will be needed to keep infections down. Might even have to make vaccination mandatory. Quelle surprise ! I never saw that coming at all ! Still practically impossible to forcefully vaccinate people as well . Besides even if vaccinated you can still transit it and Croak it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, luckydug said: The CV passports will be needed to keep infections down. Might even have to make vaccination mandatory. You are aware that there are zero cases of this “ new “ variant in the U.K.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, escobri said: Feed me 💉 Im trying , I’m really trying to not be cynical about all this ! 😂😎😂😎😂😎 Edited November 25, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Edited November 25, 2021 by JackLadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: You are aware that there are zero cases of this “ new “ variant in the U.K.? It's certainly the right time of year to "discover" a new variant. No evidence it will evade the vaccines, a handful of cases in South Africa and no evidence it will even be a dominant strain. Yet people are talking about restrictions already. People are fed up with Covid now and hearing about cases, variants etc. Time to just get out, live our lives and, for those who choose to, take our chances. It certainly wouldn't be possible imo to again impose restrictions, regardless of the "threat" from new variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: It's certainly the right time of year to "discover" a new variant. No evidence it will evade the vaccines, a handful of cases in South Africa and no evidence it will even be a dominant strain. Yet people are talking about restrictions already. People are fed up with Covid now and hearing about cases, variants etc. Time to just get out, live our lives and, for those who choose to, take our chances. It certainly wouldn't be possible imo to again impose restrictions, regardless of the "threat" from new variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: It's certainly the right time of year to "discover" a new variant. No evidence it will evade the vaccines, a handful of cases in South Africa and no evidence it will even be a dominant strain. Yet people are talking about restrictions already. People are fed up with Covid now and hearing about cases, variants etc. Time to just get out, live our lives and, for those who choose to, take our chances. It certainly wouldn't be possible imo to again impose restrictions, regardless of the "threat" from new variants. I agree to an to extent in regards to it’s certainly time a new variant will appear, granted discover wouldn’t be my choice of my words, “ discover” would be more plausible in the summer. I also can’t deny precautions are needed but whatever decisions are made must be backed by evidence. I 100% agree with the rest of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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