The White Cockade Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Happy Birthday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Happy birthday King Charles III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Happy birthday to "King" Alex as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Half Polish, born and brought up and died in Italy, lived for a while in France and spent a total of 12 months in Scotland the majority of it hiding. The most over romanticised martinet ever to walk this land. As the man once said "run, you cowardly Italian". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, been here before said: Half Polish, born and brought up and died in Italy, lived for a while in France and spent a total of 12 months in Scotland the majority of it hiding. The most over romanticised martinet ever to walk this land. As the man once said "run, you cowardly Italian". History is always written by the victor to the detriment of the loser The Stuart’s were the Kings of Scotland from the 14th Century I is very unlikely that any other Monarch of that time would have been able to “hide” on the run for as long as he did in such conditions and difficult circumstances He only managed it due to the loyalty of so many Scots and his own courage although it broke his health and he never really recovered but that was all hundreds of years ago so why not be the bigger man and raise a glass to the Bonnie Prince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 King of Scots. Jesus is King of Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Imagine he had won. We would have been some backward catholic state with conservative attitudes and a far more severe history of child abuse than what we have. 🤷🏼♂️ Harsh but true. Of course, most Jacobites were Episcopalian, some of his commanders were even Presbyterian and merely loyal to the Stuart’s. Lots of fake news written about him too. No poncy fruitcake could have commanded the meanest, roughest, toughest, badass fighting men on the planet and rode this Country non stop on horseback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Imagine he had won. We would have been some backward catholic state with conservative attitudes and a far more severe history of child abuse than what we have. 🤷🏼♂️ Harsh but true. Of course, most Jacobites were Episcopalian, some of his commanders were even Presbyterian and merely loyal to the Stuart’s. Lots of fake news written about him too. No poncy fruitcake could have commanded the meanest, roughest, toughest, badass fighting men on the planet and rode this Country non stop on horseback. They just wanted their Kingdom back, not Catholicism. George was 59th in line, while Charles' faither was the true King, not the pretenders of William 2, Mary and then Anne. Thieves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The only man ever named after three sheepdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Funny I thought any self respecting progressive nationalist would boak at following royalty never mind celebrating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: They just wanted their Kingdom back, not Catholicism. George was 59th in line, while Charles' faither was the true King, not the pretenders of William 2, Mary and then Anne. Thieves! True and rightfully theirs but unfortunately religion muddied the waters and we would be never have been as evolved or as liberal as we are now if we had become a Catholic State as that’s would have happened. On the other hand, an Independent Country. 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, jake said: Funny I thought any self respecting progressive nationalist would boak at following royalty never mind celebrating it. 👍🏼 Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: They just wanted their Kingdom back, not Catholicism. George was 59th in line, while Charles' faither was the true King, not the pretenders of William 2, Mary and then Anne. Thieves! Of course your average downtrodden Scot was bothered about their country . Wars then like now are waged by the powerful for the powerful . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, jake said: Funny I thought any self respecting progressive nationalist would boak at following royalty never mind celebrating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, jake said: Of course your average downtrodden Scot was bothered about their country . Wars then like now are waged by the powerful for the powerful . They were forever fighting for their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: They were forever fighting for their country. Then they were foolish to follow any monarch mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cruyff said: True and rightfully theirs but unfortunately religion muddied the waters and we would be never have been as evolved or as liberal as we are now if we had become a Catholic State as that’s would have happened. On the other hand, an Independent Country. 🤷🏼♂️ 1% of the Nation were Catholic. Mary was Catholic and the country stayed not. A myth we'd turned Catholic, the same myth that overthrew James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, jake said: Then they were foolish to follow any monarch mate. Just submit to England and theirs? It was our Kings who fought and died for this countries freedoms. Not until, James taking the English throne, did this become a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, jake said: Then they were foolish to follow any monarch mate. Jacob>James! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, The White Cockade said: History is always written by the victor to the detriment of the loser The Stuart’s were the Kings of Scotland from the 14th Century I is very unlikely that any other Monarch of that time would have been able to “hide” on the run for as long as he did in such conditions and difficult circumstances He only managed it due to the loyalty of so many Scots and his own courage although it broke his health and he never really recovered but that was all hundreds of years ago so why not be the bigger man and raise a glass to the Bonnie Prince And there is such a glass which honour's the Stuart line at Traquair House. Basically it has symbols and etchings which when you drank from it you were toasting the Jacobite cause, a very risky thing to do in the 1700's. Traquair House is still owned by Stuart decendents the current Laird is Catherine Maxwell Stuart the 21st Laird of Traquair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Let's not forget the numbers involved here by the way. I'm all for Scottish expression but fek that being dictated by the politics and strategy of those times. Bonnie prince charlie was a minor royal in European terms . Sent to Scotland to attack England and not to save Scottish identity . There are far better examples than this no mark to celebrate. Bit embarrassing tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Just submit to England and theirs? It was our Kings who fought and died for this countries freedoms. Not until, James taking the English throne, did this become a problem. If you believe that any monarch cared about Scotland just read how easily they sold us out. These wars were about Romes power. And if not that quarrels between royalty. I'd rather celebrate the achievements of Scots than a wee no mark royal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Looks a proper nancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Traquair House. Do they still brew beer? One of the best pints I had was at Traquair House back in the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 See the other post on Scottish Cringe This cringing has been going on for hundreds of years Just as the ruling classes wanted Practically official policy! Divide and conquer Anyway Happy Birthday Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Jacob>James! Jake jambo . Now theres a name I'd follow into battle . ❤😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, jake said: Jake jambo . Now theres a name I'd follow into battle . ❤😁 Me tae! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Me tae! Grab yer sword mate. Paisley divisions General. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Thought he was important until he was chased, first out of Great Britain, then out of France for being a narcissist *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, jake said: Grab yer sword mate. Paisley divisions General. 😁 Hey, ri Alban is the King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Do they still brew beer? One of the best pints I had was at Traquair House back in the 80s. Indeed they do, got a special limited edition vintage ale out right now, which I was going to try tonight, not cheap at £4.50 (330ml bottle) but at 8.5% should have a bit of a kick to it. P.S. All the beer is still brewed in the ancient oak tuns, none of this copper or steel stuff. Edited December 31, 2019 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Hey, ri Alban is the King. No one from paisley can ever be king. Only Edinburgh has pure blood. Relinquish your claim or I will declare war. That's sort of how these things went no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, jake said: No one from paisley can ever be king. Only Edinburgh has pure blood. Relinquish your claim or I will declare war. That's sort of how these things went no? The Stewarts are fae Paisley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Are these the Stuarts who believed in the divine right of Kings and absolutism - their primacy over Parliament? Righty-ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, ri Alban said: The Stewarts are fae Paisley. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FWJ said: Are these the Stuarts who believed in the divine right of Kings and absolutism - their primacy over Parliament? Righty-ho. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, jake said: Exactly. Not in Scotland and the Kirk would have removed any King, but the English throne did go to their heads. So we'd probably have had to do a France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Not in Scotland and the Kirk would have removed any King, but the English throne did go to their heads. So we'd probably have had to do a France. Ok you can be king I will be the french peasant. ☠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, jake said: Ok you can be king I will be the french peasant. ☠ "Sword of omens, give me sight, beyond sight" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, The White Cockade said: History is always written by the victor to the detriment of the loser The Stuart’s were the Kings of Scotland from the 14th Century I is very unlikely that any other Monarch of that time would have been able to “hide” on the run for as long as he did in such conditions and difficult circumstances He only managed it due to the loyalty of so many Scots and his own courage although it broke his health and he never really recovered but that was all hundreds of years ago so why not be the bigger man and raise a glass to the Bonnie Prince The Scots seemed quite happy to get rid of this Papist branch of the Stuarts. Pretender in deed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, jake said: Funny I thought any self respecting progressive nationalist would boak at following royalty never mind celebrating it. One would think . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Boris said: The Scots seemed quite happy to get rid of this Papist branch of the Stuarts. Pretender in deed. They certainly were. More of them fought with the Hanoverians than the Jacobites at Culloden. The growing Scots middle-class, especially in places like Edinburgh, would have had little time for their authoritarianism had they won and we could very well have ‘done a France’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FWJ said: They certainly were. More of them fought with the Hanoverians than the Jacobites at Culloden. The growing Scots middle-class, especially in places like Edinburgh, would have had little time for their authoritarianism had they won and we could very well have ‘done a France’. You do know it was the Kirk who were the authoritarians. Taught to read for Bible bashing. The Stewarts were too liberal for their liking and that's why the people loved their royal family. Post Union was a different time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: And there is such a glass which honour's the Stuart line at Traquair House. Basically it has symbols and etchings which when you drank from it you were toasting the Jacobite cause, a very risky thing to do in the 1700's. Traquair House is still owned by Stuart decendents the current Laird is Catherine Maxwell Stuart the 21st Laird of Traquair. And while raising a glass to this secret portrait http://www.westhighlandmuseum.org.uk/collections/the-jacobites/secret-portrait/ I have to say that the heavily revisionist sentiment for this vainglorious narcissist does the tourist business in Fort William no damage at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Indeed they do, got a special limited edition vintage ale out right now, which I was going to try tonight, not cheap at £4.50 (330ml bottle) but at 8.5% should have a bit of a kick to it. P.S. All the beer is still brewed in the ancient oak tuns, none of this copper or steel stuff. Thanks. I must look out and see if it can be bought locally. Like Henderson’s on Comiston Road. He has a good variety of beers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 59 minutes ago, jake said: Grab yer sword mate. Paisley divisions General. 😁 Charlie would have loved to grab your sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You do know it was the Kirk who were the authoritarians. Taught to read for Bible bashing. The Stewarts were too liberal for their liking and that's why the people loved their royal family. Post Union was a different time. I would have thought the Stuarts were too Catholic for the Kirk’s liking rather than too liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, jake said: Of course your average downtrodden Scot was bothered about their country . Wars then like now are waged by the powerful for the powerful . Yep, and it's the ordinary folk who shed their blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, FWJ said: And while raising a glass to this secret portrait http://www.westhighlandmuseum.org.uk/collections/the-jacobites/secret-portrait/ I have to say that the heavily revisionist sentiment for this vainglorious narcissist does the tourist business in Fort William no damage at all.... Narcissism! Is that not a par for the course, in all Royal families? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Yep, and it's the ordinary folk who shed their blood. Thousands of Scots gave their blood for Scotland. Pity their descendants pissed on their graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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