Bazzas right boot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, TheBigO said: If he wants to go to Man City, there'd be little point mate. He holds the cards here - contract up at end of season. Season after no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Season after no? Sorry yeah think it is. Point still stands. Id imagine his heart is set on City so not much point touting him elsewhere. Pertinent point is English clubs will want him before hes 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, TheBigO said: Sorry yeah think it is. Point still stands. Id imagine his heart is set on City so not much point touting him elsewhere. Pertinent point is English clubs will want him before hes 18. Which means that he needs to be signed in January as his birthday is June 10th which could mean that he misses still being 17 on the opening of the summer transfer window by a day or so (last season FIFA have the EPL registrations starting on the 11th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not got an issue with Hickey moving on. Personally I think he could be a better defensive midfielder than a full back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, TheBigO said: Sorry yeah think it is. Point still stands. Id imagine his heart is set on City so not much point touting him elsewhere. Pertinent point is English clubs will want him before hes 18. Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 20 hours ago, afanderson33 said: I think we should enjoy the next few weeks of this young man because he's going to be sold very soon to give Mr Stendel some money to fix this mess. Hope he goes on to bigger and better things Remember Celtic get a sizeable chunk of any fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rools Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Hearing he's off to Man City. £1.6m. Loaned back till the end of the season. Celtic get 30% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, gorgie rools said: Hearing he's off to Man City. £1.6m. Loaned back till the end of the season. Celtic get 30% I hope we have a sell on coz thats peanuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, gorgie rools said: Hearing he's off to Man City. £1.6m. Loaned back till the end of the season. Celtic get 30% Thats disappointing considering Celtic will take 30% of that. So they get a whopping £480K & we get £1,120,000. By the time we pay fees to lawyers, agents etc it'll probably be closer to £1m. Better be a bloody big sell on clause in there for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said: I hope we have a sell on coz thats peanuts! it’s a hell of a lot for a 17 year old playing in a shit league with less than 50 first team games and by the way folks if you repeat something as naseum it doesn’t mean it’s true. we do not need to sell Hickey but he will not sign and extension and you have all gone tonto before about not maximising sale income due to contracts running out. Our near record sell on fee - and that for a 17 year old is astonishing - and we’ll get him back for a bit on loan. so I know it’s difficult but let’s chill out a bit, eh? Edited December 20, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Unfortunately he wasn't going to sign a new contract with us so it's forced our hand. Still think moving to them just now is a bit of a mistake but time will tell. Would have thought another 2 years playing at this level would give him the platform to really kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, gorgie rools said: Hearing he's off to Man City. £1.6m. Loaned back till the end of the season. Celtic get 30% So we get £1.12 million Presumably there are other clauses re appearances, sell on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Thats disappointing considering Celtic will take 30% of that. So they get a whopping £480K & we get £1,120,000. By the time we pay fees to lawyers, agents etc it'll probably be closer to £1m. Better be a bloody big sell on clause in there for us. You know you don’t get more money for a player just because you have a clunky sell on fee? The only reason we got him at all was by agreeing to that - would you rather we never had him? Edited December 20, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Rabbit said: Unfortunately he wasn't going to sign a new contract with us so it's forced our hand. Still think moving to them just now is a bit of a mistake but time will tell. Would have thought another 2 years playing at this level would give him the platform to really kick on. He’s going to get loaned back - what’s a bad move about that? For anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Its decent business. Who knows how he'll do. He does look a good player but so did Jordan McGhee. We did well to get him from Celtic 18 months ago. We've done very well to get him in as first team regular at 17. And it's mainly about what he wants to do. So good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rools Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Allegedly on £150 a week at Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: He’s going to get loaned back - what’s a bad move about that? For anyone? I'm more meaning for his development as opposed to us. I guess the only issue selling him now for us is that we might receive less transfer fee however there's no guarantee he will push on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Disappointing we haven't managed to get him on a new deal. His future would be best served here for the next 2-3 seasons at least, playing every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Rabbit said: I'm more meaning for his development as opposed to us. I guess the only issue selling him now for us is that we might receive less transfer fee however there's no guarantee he will push on. He might develop better with Man City next season rather than being loaned again. Not sure what team he'd be with. U23s probably not. Previous talk was of him being loaned to us next season too but we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mort said: Disappointing we haven't managed to get him on a new deal. His future would be best served here for the next 2-3 seasons at least, playing every week. We’ve tried and he’s got the richest club in England after him - why the duck would he sign a new deal with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr Rabbit said: I'm more meaning for his development as opposed to us. I guess the only issue selling him now for us is that we might receive less transfer fee however there's no guarantee he will push on. You tend to get a lower fee the less contract he has left. - in the summer it will be one year. If he is not extending now is the time to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Barack said: I'd be surprised, to say the least. The young guys are on not much above the national average wage excluding bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: We’ve tried and he’s got the richest club in England after him - why the duck would he sign a new deal with us? I understand why he isn't signing one now but given how good he was in the SC final, I would have hoped that we would be pressing for a new deal from then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperstarSteve Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: You know you don’t get more money for a player just because you have a clunky sell on fee? The only reason we got him at all was by agreeing to that - would you rather we never had him? Is that true? As far as I’m aware we chose not to pay compensation, it wasn’t celtics decision, we done a deal that Celtic get 30% of any fee we receive. It was a case of pay compensation and Naismith deal was in doubt or give celtic 30% and use the money for Naismith transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mort said: Disappointing we haven't managed to get him on a new deal. His future would be best served here for the next 2-3 seasons at least, playing every week. And that’s exactly what his future will be. He’ll be nowhere near Man City for at least two seasons. He’ll be loaned immediately back to us. Folk saying him not signing a contract forced our hand 😂. As soon as City said they could be interested, Hearts and Hickey have been working together to make sure the deal works best for both parties. Any new deal may have turned City away, bumps the price up etc. This whole move is basically part of Hickeys new deal. Sign for City, get a wage rise, Hearts then contribute to his wage rise whilst having none of the risks. City take all the risk and if he kicks on and becomes a mega star, we have the safety net of a sell on clause. We will get so much more than cash as well. This deal is a platform for more deals in the future, total low risk for City but massive rewards for us. If we can sell them a young boy for £1/£2/£3 million every few seasons whilst also being given some of their young boys/new signings in return on loan, then that’s great business. Levein/MacPhee have played a huge part in all of this. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He is getting sold for 3 million to city. We get him for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He was different class on Wednesday.. 😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 16/12/2019 at 10:11, Bainy said: As long as City offer a decent fee and hopefully a few fringe players to fix us till the summer that would be magic. I’d be hesitant to rely on loan players in a relegation battle tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Barack said: Quite the disparity. I’ll go for 2.3 and a 18 month loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: it’s a hell of a lot for a 17 year old playing in a shit league with less than 50 first team games and by the way folks if you repeat something as naseum it doesn’t mean it’s true. we do not need to sell Hickey but he will not sign and extension and you have all gone tonto before about not maximising sale income due to contracts running out. Our near record sell on fee - and that for a 17 year old is astonishing - and we’ll get him back for a bit on loan. so I know it’s difficult but let’s chill out a bit, eh? The sensible post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, Barack said: Quite the disparity. Maybe the £1.6 million is the public figure for Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Stop obsessing about Celtic getting 30% (if that is true). Fact is they had an outstanding talent on their books and somehow managed to let us hi-jack 70% of his value, not a bad bit of business imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, upgotheheads said: Stop obsessing about Celtic getting 30% (if that is true). Fact is they had an outstanding talent on their books and somehow managed to let us hi-jack 70% of his value, not a bad bit of business imo. Hickey choosing to come to Hearts was a brilliant decision by him and very good for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Maybe the £1.6 million is the public figure for Celtic. I sincerely hope we're doing something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: I’d be hesitant to rely on loan players in a relegation battle tbh. Correct, spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Before the cup final hardly any of us had heard of Hickey. Let's be realistic, if we get 7 figures for a 17 year old and still get to keep him on loan, that's decent business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 People demanding ever more cash for a 17 year old with less than 30 first team appearances! Reminds me of Andy Driver when people on here where literally posting we shouldn’t sell for less than £5m when we were offered 2.5. The figures quoted are decent given experience level, particularly if loaned back for a set period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Allowayjambo1874 said: People demanding ever more cash for a 17 year old with less than 30 first team appearances! Reminds me of Andy Driver when people on here where literally posting we shouldn’t sell for less than £5m when we were offered 2.5. The figures quoted are decent given experience level, particularly if loaned back for a set period of time. Agree with ya....but if he wore blue or green hoops am sure those clubs would demand a lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, Hearts007 said: Agree with ya....but if he wore blue or green hoops am sure those clubs would demand a lot more He would be playing at a higher level in Europe though. Like it or not right now our level is on a par with Hamilton and St Mirren!! Jesus that is a hard thing to write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hearts007 said: Agree with ya....but if he wore blue or green hoops am sure those clubs would demand a lot more Celtic seem to get top dollar for their players, Rangers not so much although that will probably change going forward with Gerrard in charge. Billy Gilmore one that will probably come back to haunt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I thought Celtic released him. Because he knew Hearts set up was probably keen to come back, not like John Murray to let him back as other youngsters in same scenario have been told no. 1.7m is decent if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3m would be astonishing business. 1.6 would hardly be shit though. Don't understand any negativity around this. This is a textbook example of how our development of players should work, given the size of our club, the financial state of our league, and our proximity to England. We should be scouting other clubs' academies all over Scotland and further to find players to nurture for a transfer to England. It's what Ajax do, and they're a bit more savvy about youth development than we are. It's also why we need a bright, ambitious, and motivating sporting director who understands this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 15/12/2019 at 22:23, afanderson33 said: I think we should enjoy the next few weeks of this young man because he's going to be sold very soon to give Mr Stendel some money to fix this mess. Hope he goes on to bigger and better things AB and her beloved CL were in Manchester recently discussing the potential deal to sell him to Man City. There is talk that he will be signed in January and then loaned back to us for the rest of ther season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 15/12/2019 at 22:38, Famous 1874 said: As long as we get a good fee i’ll be pleased. What would you regard as a good fee? Just interested to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: What would you regard as a good fee? Just interested to know. Anything £1m plus is a great return for a 17year old who has looked shaky in as many games as he's excelled in (granted in an appalling side massively lacking in confidence). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Maybe the £1.6 million is the public figure for Celtic. To really make sure Celtic can claim as little as possible we should let them have Hicky for free in exchange for him returning on loan and renegotiating Meshino's loan terms to include an £xm development fee due to us when Meshino plays in x number of games, say.... one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: You know you don’t get more money for a player just because you have a clunky sell on fee? The only reason we got him at all was by agreeing to that - would you rather we never had him? Read it again... I'M DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE ITS ONLY £1.6M NOT BECAUSE THERES A CLAUSE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: He was different class on Wednesday.. 😪 If that is the standard we are going to class as 'different class' then this boy will never play at a higher level. I agree he was better than normal but as it stands he has as much chance of making it at Man City as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Surprised he won’t sign a new deal. Is this fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: If that is the standard we are going to class as 'different class' then this boy will never play at a higher level. I agree he was better than normal but as it stands he has as much chance of making it at Man City as I do. Don’t know what game you where watching on Wednesday as Hickey was excellent. Absolutely strolled it against the best team in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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