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Ray Gin
3 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

The snp are NOT socialist. Never have been. It’s a con to get labour voters.

there was a socialist manifesto on offer in Scotland , and it was roundly rejected .

 

SNP are left-of-centre. Not full blown left wing, granted, but fairly close to Labour in that sense.

 

Certainly nowhere near right wing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Mighty Thor
9 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

SNP are left-of-centre. Not full blown left wing, granted, but fairly close to Labour in that sense.

 

Certainly nowhere near right wing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Centre/Left of centre. Where Labour used to be before they became unelectable. 

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Cade

SNP are firmly in the centre ground.

Socialist education and health policies.

Business friendly fiscal policies (as much as we have powers to do).

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ri Alban

Hope everyone has a nice Christmas. :thumb:

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Dannie Boy

A slew of new laws proposed by Boris Johnson's new Tory government have been announced by the Queen in parliament.

The prime minister's list of proposed new laws was revealed after he led the Conservatives to their biggest general election victory since 1987.

Sky News takes you through all the key announcements and new legislation the Tories have now promised:

NHS

An NHS Funding Bill aims to give the health service an extra £33.9bn per year by 2023/24, which the government says is the largest cash injection in the history of the NHS.

Other new laws will mean qualified doctors, nurses and health professionals with a job offer from the NHS can get fast-track visas and support to come to the UK as part of a points-based immigration system.

Hospital car parking charges will also be abolished for those in greatest need - likely to include disabled people, parents of sick children staying overnight, and staff working night shifts.

Other measures include a new independent body to improve patient safety by investigating concerns raised by patients; plans to modernise and reform the Mental Health Act to give people greater influence on the type of care they receive; and a promise for it to be made easier for hospitals to make and try new medicines.

 

Brexit

The Withdrawal Agreement Bill, which is needed to put the prime minister's Brexit deal into law, will be the first piece of legislation to be debated by the new parliament.

It needs to be passed by MPs before the UK can leave the EU on 31 January.

Mr Johnson began to try to win parliamentary approval for his Brexit deal in the last parliament, but abandoned his plans after MPs opposed his favoured timetable for debating the agreement.

Following the general election, a fresh Withdrawal Agreement Bill is now being presented to MPs with some alterations to the last version.

The bill now includes Mr Johnson's commitment, made during the election campaign, that the Brexit transition period will finish by the end of December 2020.

Other Brexit-related legislation includes bills on fishing, agriculture, trade and financial services.

 

Social care

The Queen's Speech included a pledge of an extra £1bn for adult and social care in every year of the next five years.

The government said it will also "urgently" seek a cross-party consensus on long-term social care reform in England, which is a devolved matter.

This will ensure that nobody needing care will be forced to sell their home to pay for it, the government added.

Employment

An Employment Bill aims to protect and enhance worker's rights as the UK leaves the EU.

This will include a new £1bn fund to help create more high-quality childcare, encouraging flexible working, and measures to protect those in low-paid work and the gig economy - such as ensuring tips left for workers go to them in full.

 

Education

The Tories have confirmed their promise to increase levels of funding per pupil in every school as part of a £14bn investment.

The government will "level up" funding to provide at least £5,000 for each secondary school pupil per year, as well as £3,750 for primary school pupils this year, and £4,000 the year after.

The Queen's Speech also reiterated ministers' plans to "significantly raise" starting pay for teachers to £30,000 by September 2022.

Immigration

New legislation will bring an end to EU free movement rules and deliver a new Australian-style points-based immigration system from 2021.

This means EU citizens arriving in the UK from 20201 will be subject to the same immigration controls as those from the rest of the world - although the long-standing immigration status of Irish citizens will be protected.

The proposed legislation also aims to give the government the power to restrict EU citizens' entitlement to benefits so that they are aligned with non-EU citizens.

Crime

New laws have been promised to keep the most serious violent offenders, including terrorists, in prison for longer.

The government is also promising legislation to require schools, police, councils and health authorities to work together to prevent serious crime; ensure those charged with carrying knives to face "swift" justice; and make courts to work better for victims of domestic abuse.

They also want to enhance the UK's ability to deport foreign criminals.

 

Transport and infrastructure

A National Infrastructure Strategy will set out details of the government's planned £100bn investment in the UK's infrastructure.

New legislation also aims to reduce rail disruption during strikes by providing minimum levels of service, modernise air traffic management and protect passengers in the event of an airline going bust.

The government will also bring forward new laws to speed up the delivery of gigabit-capable broadband.

Environment

An Environment Bill will enshrine in law environmental principles and legally-binding targets, such as on air quality; establish a new Office for Environmental Protection; and ban the export of polluting plastic waste outside of OECD countries.

The government is also promising further steps to meet its target of the UK having net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

Business

The government is promising a "fundamental review" of business rates, while also committing to increasing retail discount from 33% to 50% - at a reported cost of £320m.

Armed Forces

Proposals to tackle "vexatious" claims against members of the Armed Forces will be brought forward.

 

 

 

 

 

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Cade

Zach Goldsmith given a Peerage and keeps his job as Environment Secretary, despite having lost his seat in the election.

 

Something something unelected EU bureaucrats something something

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Justin Z

Vitally, absolutely vitally, the Tories plan to introduce a voter ID law, which of course will target the marginalised and prevent them voting en masse.

 

The assault on democracy has now hit full throttle. If you value democracy, it's time to go.

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Class of 75
15 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Hope everyone has a nice Christmas. :thumb:

Same to you my friend 

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Zlatanable

I thought I would have heard more from the SNP et al in the last week. 

 

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jack D and coke
On 18/12/2019 at 06:37, The Mighty Thor said:

Watch 'The Dirty War on the NHS' if you want to see the direction of travel. 

 

Then ask yourself why ITV embargoed this until after the election. 

 

What Johnson says and what Johnson does are two very different things as we'll find out at our leisure over the next 5 years. 

Honestly did wonder as I watched that. 
What a ****ing shower the tories really are. 
That health minister Hancock I’d honestly never tire of scudding him about the head. 

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The Mighty Thor
11 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Honestly did wonder as I watched that. 
What a ****ing shower the tories really are. 
That health minister Hancock I’d honestly never tire of scudding him about the head. 

Yip. They're all in it up to their baws. 

 

However as I've said before, they get to own it all now, Brexit, the 20,000 police, 50k nurses, 40 hospitals, billions here there and everywhere. 

No excuses. No hung parliament. Just them. 100% their work and it's down to all of us to hold them accountable from day 1. 

Edit. And of course everyone that voted them in on the back of their constant lies. 

Edited by The Mighty Thor

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jack D and coke
6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Yip. They're all in it up to their baws. 

 

However as I've said before, they get to own it all now, Brexit, the 20,000 police, 50k nurses, 40 hospitals, billions here there and everywhere. 

No excuses. No hung parliament. Just them. 100% their work and it's down to all of us to hold them accountable from day 1. 

Edit. And of course everyone that voted them in on the back of their constant lies. 

Pretty sure the dingles will still focus on the SNP, up here anyway. In turn completely turn a blind eye to whatever that shower are getting up to. 
 

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Boof
On 19/12/2019 at 18:46, Cade said:

Zach Goldsmith given a Peerage and keeps his job as Environment Secretary, despite having lost his seat in the election.

 

Something something unelected EU bureaucrats something something

 

Not just unelected - actively rejected.

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The Mighty Thor

Twitter trending with speculation that Fromage is about get a knighthood.

 

Probably for stepping aside to let Johnson have a clear run at the GE. 

 

Who'd have thunk it?

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Jambo-Jimbo
46 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Twitter trending with speculation that Fromage is about get a knighthood.

 

Probably for stepping aside to let Johnson have a clear run at the GE. 

 

Who'd have thunk it?

 

Royals sharing out the duties I see.

 

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jack D and coke
3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Twitter trending with speculation that Fromage is about get a knighthood.

 

Probably for stepping aside to let Johnson have a clear run at the GE. 

 

Who'd have thunk it?

Hahaha ****ing nora, surely not?!!? 

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frankblack
5 hours ago, Boof said:

 

Not just unelected - actively rejected.

 

Labour have done the same thing to get their own men and women into parliament.  While I don't think its right, to point out the tories specifically would be incorrect.

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ri Alban
37 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Labour have done the same thing to get their own men and women into parliament.  While I don't think its right, to point out the tories specifically would be incorrect.

Whataboutery! 

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frankblack
1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Whataboutery! 

 

:cornette:

 

I didn't vote for either party.

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Mikey1874

Not a new thing.

 

But the Government announced spending on homelessness yesterday.

 

Good for them. But it's not new money. All announced previously by Teresa May's Government.

 

That is a pattern worth watching. 

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Justin Z

Iain Duncan Smith, whom the UN stated enacted policies that were "human rights violations", has been knighted.

 

The union is rotten to the core.

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Zlatanable

It's been quite quiet, obviously cos of a) Christmas and b) people need a break/rest/regroup/planning.

 

Obviously Brexit on 31 January is going to be the main thing in January. 

 

But more generally, the new parliament will be settling in.

 

I sort of right now, couldn't care less, although that will probably change. 

 

 

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Pans Jambo
13 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

It's been quite quiet, obviously cos of a) Christmas and b) people need a break/rest/regroup/planning.

 

Obviously Brexit on 31 January is going to be the main thing in January. 

 

But more generally, the new parliament will be settling in.

 

I sort of right now, couldn't care less, although that will probably change. 

 

 

The tories are devious lying B’stards who do not care about society and will shaft everyone but their rich donors and themselves to line their own pockets. No deal Brexit is now a reality given we must now (by law) fully leave on 31st December 2020 regardless of negotiations with the EU at that point.

 

They “couldn’t care less”.

 

That is what “probably wont change”.

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ri Alban

I'll just sit back and relax, now the war is over. Time to watch the Unionists spontaneously combust. 2020! The year of the Unicorn.

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Brighton Jambo

Thought I would try to balance this thread up as not sure I can distinguish it from the ‘more Tory lies’ thread!  
 

National living wage to rise by 6.2% in April

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50947097

 

I am sure people will find reason to be critical of this level of living wage increase but if businesses are not supportive that’s usually a sign it isn’t a normal Tory policy.  
 

Unions say it’s not enough as per normal routine.  

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Zlatanable
9 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

The tories are devious lying B’stards who do not care about society and will shaft everyone but their rich donors and themselves to line their own pockets. No deal Brexit is now a reality given we must now (by law) fully leave on 31st December 2020 regardless of negotiations with the EU at that point.

 

They “couldn’t care less”.

 

That is what “probably wont change”.

A 'no deal' Brexit might not be a certainty. I'm guessing we will find out.

 

I meant I am enjoying the break from politics, it was exhausting. 

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RobboM
12 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

 

"I don’t want confident public school bluffers"

Quite a slap in the face to Boris there! 😄

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Zlatanable
8 hours ago, RobboM said:

"I don’t want confident public school bluffers"

Quite a slap in the face to Boris there! 😄

I think a fair few have said the same. 

 

 

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Jee
On 15/12/2019 at 18:51, Cade said:

Scotland needs to grow it's population.

It's practically empty and is facing the ageing population timebomb.

We need more young people from anywhere to turn up and start paying taxes to keep the oldies pensions intact.

Hence the open doors policy (as much as we're allowed) and things like free childcare provision and baby boxes etc.

 

 

Is there any encouragement for people already in Scotland to have more children?

 

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Mikey1874

N.Ireland Assembly is back.

 

And with a big load of money. 

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Zlatanable
8 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

N.Ireland Assembly is back.

 

And with a big load of money. 

Early days yet, but Boris can already say he is getting things done. 

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Jambo-Jimbo
8 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

N.Ireland Assembly is back.

 

And with a big load of money. 

 

4 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

Early days yet, but Boris can already say he is getting things done. 

 

Both the DUP & Sinn Fein lost a lot of support at the GE and it was well documented by both parties that the public of Northern Ireland were thoroughly fed up with the situation, so it did help to concentrate minds to get the assembly back up and running, direct rule would have been a disaster for both parties.

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Zlatanable
3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

 

Both the DUP & Sinn Fein lost a lot of support at the GE and it was well documented by both parties that the public of Northern Ireland were thoroughly fed up with the situation, so it did help to concentrate minds to get the assembly back up and running, direct rule would have been a disaster for both parties.

So in the *First 100 Days* schtick, Boris Johnson can say, his govt did this. 

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Jambo-Jimbo
2 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

So in the *First 100 Days* schtick, Boris Johnson can say, his govt did this. 

 

They'll certainly take the credit for it, just how much pressure the tories put on the DUP & Sinn Fein is debatable.

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Zlatanable
8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

They'll certainly take the credit for it, just how much pressure the tories put on the DUP & Sinn Fein is debatable.

I think they can take the credit for it quite legitimately, as it happened on their watch. 

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Jambo-Jimbo
11 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

I think they can take the credit for it quite legitimately, as it happened on their watch. 

 

Yeh, probably can, legitimately.

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ri Alban
12 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

I think they can take the credit for it quite legitimately, as it happened on their watch. 

So it was there fault in the first place?

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...a bit disco

So.

 

This Russian interference dossier then?

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ri Alban
1 minute ago, ...a bit disco said:

So.

 

This Russian interference dossier then?

:hypno: Look at the shiny, shiny.

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...a bit disco
10 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

:hypno: Look at the shiny, shiny.

 

в самом деле.

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ri Alban
29 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 

в самом деле.

Indeed

 

 

 

Hopefully :D

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...a bit disco
3 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Indeed

 

 

 

Hopefully :D

 

:thumbsup:

 

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...a bit disco

 

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jambogaza

Snp victory in 2021 still doesn't constitute a mandate, according to tories today. Staunch unionists will lap this up but most most reasonable people will be bemused by this. 

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frankblack
1 hour ago, jambogaza said:

Snp victory in 2021 still doesn't constitute a mandate, according to tories today. Staunch unionists will lap this up but most most reasonable people will be bemused by this. 

 

Not really.  Holyrood doesn't have devolved powers for constitutional matters, which is quite rightly reserved to Westminster who cannot have referendums every 4 or 5 years until the nats get the result they want.

 

They government have made it clear they aren't going to give a section 30 order in the next 10-15 years as long as they are in power.  Looking at the state of Labour that looks likey.

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