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Maroon Sailor
5 minutes ago, Jambos1983 said:

I'll take that as a yes then. 

 

Don't go bleating to me if offended by the filth and bile coming out of the Roseburn when you know who are in town.

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Jambos1983
2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Don't go bleating to me if offended by the filth and bile coming out of the Roseburn when you know who are in town.

😂 Ok Nigel

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Maroon Sailor
1 minute ago, Jambos1983 said:

😂 Ok Nigel

 

No probs Mother Theresa

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Ron Burgundy
10 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

I'd bet otherwise given that 58% of Scots identify as non-religious.

 

I'd guess off the top of my head that maybe 80% or higher of old firm fans are religiously motivated in their prejudices. I doubt that 10% of that 80% actually attend a church.

They're still backward bigoted arseholes.  And what's worse is that Scotland appears to be fine with that.

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RobboM
13 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

We'll hear a lot less about anti-semitism now.

 

Given that the desired result has been achieved. 


Meanwhile in the USA ....

Donald Trump has signed an executive order that empowers the US education department to penalise college campuses by withholding federal funds from those that are deemed to be tolerating antisemitism by allowing debate critical of Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/11/donald-trump-antisemitism-israel-colleges-order

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Mikey1874
31 minutes ago, RobboM said:


Meanwhile in the USA ....

Donald Trump has signed an executive order that empowers the US education department to penalise college campuses by withholding federal funds from those that are deemed to be tolerating antisemitism by allowing debate critical of Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/11/donald-trump-antisemitism-israel-colleges-order

 

Boris is going to ban public authorities  including universities from doing boycotts. Eg of Israel. 

Edited by Mikey1874

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Ray Gin

Quelle surprise

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-general-election-nurses-nhs-tories-latest-nicky-morgan-a9216506.html?fbclid=IwAR22gpfEhZBWiypZtnXuNmddm8E7OvlJsn_Qw0WnDy96IYjjXtRjESbXOjA

 

Tory minister admits extra nurses won’t be in place for 10 years and cannot explain how government will stop 18,500 leaving

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The Mighty Thor

There's also an article in the independent saying that Johnson will ditch his promise to protect workers rights and environmental protections post Brexit. 

 

Theres also talk of Mark Francois as Secretary of Defence. 

 

Mark Francois. 

 

Mark ****ing Francois. 

 

::cornette:

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gashauskis9
12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

There's also an article in the independent saying that Johnson will ditch his promise to protect workers rights and environmental protections post Brexit. 

 

Theres also talk of Mark Francois as Secretary of Defence. 

 

Mark Francois. 

 

Mark ****ing Francois. 

 

::cornette:

He was in the Territorials you know 😂😂😂

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gashauskis9

Going to feel weird seeing a state opening of parliament without Skinner giving it tight to Black Rod 😢

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Jambo-Jimbo
35 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

There's also an article in the independent saying that Johnson will ditch his promise to protect workers rights and environmental protections post Brexit. 

 

Theres also talk of Mark Francois as Secretary of Defence. 

 

Mark Francois. 

 

Mark ****ing Francois. 

 

::cornette:

 

Sure I heard on the news that Francois is being considered for Minister of State for the Armed Forces, in effect second only to the Defence Secretary.

The position is currently vacant because Mark Lancaster who was the previous minister didn't stand in the GE just held, would think it more likely that this is the position Francois will get rather than the top job in the M.O.D.

 

P.S. He has done the job before between 2013 to 2015.

 

 

Edited by Jambo-Jimbo

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Dannie Boy

Boris Johnson is carrying out a mini-reshuffle of his government as he prepares to address his new Conservative MPs in Westminster.
Simon Hart has been named as Welsh secretary, replacing Alun Cairns, who quit at the start of the election.
And Nicky Morgan stays as culture secretary, despite standing down as an MP. She is taking a peerage and will sit as a cabinet minister in the Lords.
The majority of senior cabinet ministers are staying in post. 
Sajid Javid is staying as chancellor while Dominic Raab and Priti Patel are staying as foreign secretary and home secretary respectively. 
 

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Mikey1874
14 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

Boris Johnson is carrying out a mini-reshuffle of his government as he prepares to address his new Conservative MPs in Westminster.
Simon Hart has been named as Welsh secretary, replacing Alun Cairns, who quit at the start of the election.
And Nicky Morgan stays as culture secretary, despite standing down as an MP. She is taking a peerage and will sit as a cabinet minister in the Lords.
The majority of senior cabinet ministers are staying in post. 
Sajid Javid is staying as chancellor while Dominic Raab and Priti Patel are staying as foreign secretary and home secretary respectively. 
 

 

A comeback of sorts

 

 

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RobboM
27 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

A comeback of sorts

 

 

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Comeback as what? A Brian Clough look-alike?
 

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XB52
12 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Mass immigration for Scotland seems like a great idea.

 

Sure fire way of getting her Indy obsession through.

 

Yeah everybody is welcome to come and live in Scorland. We'll build you houses, let you into our schools, give you money for nothing and you can even teach us your culture and religious beliefs.

 

Smashing

Ah, the ugly racism of the right shows it's head above the parapet

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XB52
9 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

I see the racists and xenophobes are quick to show their true colours now their führer has won the general election.

And it will just get worse. Thank God we have a way out of this right wing nightmare

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Zlatanable
On 15/12/2019 at 14:05, Cade said:

Boris and his cabinet will be working out how many manifesto pledges to drop, how quickly they can drop them and who to blame for them being dropped.

 

 

In fairness, all parties do that. We still haven't had a council tax reform in Scotland since 2007. 

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The White Cockade
1 hour ago, RobboM said:


Comeback as what? A Brian Clough look-alike?
 

Bill Murray?

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Zlatanable

The SNP defending the BBC will be quite a sight. 

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AlphonseCapone

Trying to be polite as possible but if you can't see why Scotland absolutely needs high levels of immigration then you're a ****ing moron.

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Zlatanable
2 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

Trying to be polite as possible but if you can't see why Scotland absolutely needs high levels of immigration then you're a ****ing moron.

there is definitely many punchlines here

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Del Monty
6 hours ago, XB52 said:

And it will just get worse. Thank God we have a way out of this right wing nightmare

Which leftwing utopia are you heading off to?

Send us a postcard. We might get it  in a few months.

😀

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ri Alban
3 minutes ago, Del Monty said:

Which leftwing utopia are you heading off to?

Send us a postcard. We might get it  in a few months.

😀

So when does the goose step become compulsory? 

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Del Monty
5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

So when does the goose step become compulsory? 

When you get your way.

Hopefully never.

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ri Alban
3 hours ago, Del Monty said:

When you get your way.

Hopefully never.

Next year! I'd say you'd better start practicing, too late. Wm is now Nazi Hq. 

Heil mein Fuhrer Johnson! 

Edited by ri Alban

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The Mighty Thor

Anyway, and back on topic as this ain't the SNP thread, johnson to enshrine in law an amended withdrawal bill that will legally prohibit the extension of the transition period beyond Dec 2020.

 

So effectively we've got 12 months of fannying about before we leave sans deal. 

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Bridge of Djoum
On 15/12/2019 at 10:14, Maroon Sailor said:

 

Plus she'll wait until Scotland has taken enough refugees and give them a vote

Absolutely vile comment.

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Victorian

Morgan into the Lords.    This was planned all along and that's behind her standing down as an MP.     A travesty.

 

Now talk of Swinson joining her.    :rofl:

She obviously has a sympathetic ally in the party to leverage a peerage.    The LDs power of patronage is another travesty.

 

UK politics is a cesspit alright.

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Jambo-Jimbo
1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Morgan into the Lords.    This was planned all along and that's behind her standing down as an MP.     A travesty.

 

Now talk of Swinson joining her.    :rofl:

She obviously has a sympathetic ally in the party to leverage a peerage.    The LDs power of patronage is another travesty.

 

UK politics is a cesspit alright.

 

Indeed it is, and they're all guilty of it.

 

Peter Mandelson was a cabinet minister in the Brown government but wasn't an MP, but he was a Life Peer.

And Lord Adonis has never ever been an MP but has served as Education secretary in the Blair government and then Transport secretary in Gordon Brown's government.

 

You are correct, UK politics is indeed a cesspit and the Tories, Labour & the Lib Dems are all as bad as each other and are up to their necks in it.

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Cade

EU have said that there are only two endings for Boris' red line date of the end of 2020:

 

1) He spends that year arsing about and crashes out with no deal

2) He signs whatever the EU put in front of him as there is not enough time for a bespoke deal to be put together. And as the WTO court of arbitration no longer exists thanks to the baby in the white house, the UK will do exactly that.

 

 

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Dannie Boy

Interesting comments from Ghandi. 
There was a statue unveiled by the local Indian community this more in the local park next to our apartment in Tenerife.

Maybe our politicians should consider the first statement in particular. 

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ri Alban
53 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said:

Interesting comments from Ghandi. 
There was a statue unveiled by the local Indian community this more in the local park next to our apartment in Tenerife.

Maybe our politicians should consider the first statement in particular. 

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I don't see the fuss. He made one good film, then feck all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:D ©Trigger 

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The Continental Op
On 15/12/2019 at 22:03, Mikey1874 said:

Early signs the Conservatives will be going after their enemies.

 

Talk of ditching the tv licence to destroy the BBC. They have made a complaint of bias against one the radio programmes by boycotting it.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/15/boris-johnson-threatens-bbc-with-two-pronged-attack?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=edit_2221&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

 

Going after the courts too.

 

Could be good entertainment. 

It happened in Hungary - once Orban had seen off the left wing parties, he needed another bogeyman/hate figure to keep the voters behind him. Thus was born the anti-Soros/capitalist billionaire/outsider menace meme, later twisted into general anti-semitism/racism - ironic given it was created by an Jewish-american polling guru!

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RobboM
8 hours ago, Cade said:

EU have said that there are only two endings for Boris' red line date of the end of 2020:

 

1) He spends that year arsing about and crashes out with no deal

2) He signs whatever the EU put in front of him as there is not enough time for a bespoke deal to be put together. And as the WTO court of arbitration no longer exists thanks to the baby in the white house, the UK will do exactly that.

 

 


Here is a detailed and depressing analysis of the next 12 months from Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to the EU, the sort of grown up who speaks with authority in this area.

It's very grim

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/ivan-rogers-on-brexit-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-eu-trade-deal-boris-johnson-labour-election-speech-glasgow

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The Mighty Thor
1 hour ago, RobboM said:


Here is a detailed and depressing analysis of the next 12 months from Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to the EU, the sort of grown up who speaks with authority in this area.

It's very grim

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/ivan-rogers-on-brexit-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-eu-trade-deal-boris-johnson-labour-election-speech-glasgow

I'd like to think most people of decent cognitive function know there's no chance of a trade deal by Dec 2020. 

 

I'd like to think it but the reality is most people actually think that Johnson is going to 'deliver Brexit'. 

 

Oven ready indeed. 

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AlphonseCapone
1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'd like to think most people of decent cognitive function know there's no chance of a trade deal by Dec 2020. 

 

I'd like to think it but the reality is most people actually think that Johnson is going to 'deliver Brexit'. 

 

Oven ready indeed. 

 

I think most people believe Brexit is done on the 31st January rather than that being the start of the hard part.

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doctor jambo
On 16/12/2019 at 20:17, XB52 said:

And it will just get worse. Thank God we have a way out of this right wing nightmare

Honestly, with the utter and complete rejection of a solid left wing agenda in all parts of the uk by an utter landslide, that is frankly laughable.

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ri Alban
5 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Honestly, with the utter and complete rejection of a solid left wing agenda in all parts of the uk by an utter landslide, that is frankly laughable.

In all parts? Really! A 65% endorsement up in Scotland. Wales returned majority for Labour, NI? Feck knows! 

England, for now, isn't the UK or GB. 

Edited by ri Alban

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The Mighty Thor
7 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Honestly, with the utter and complete rejection of a solid left wing agenda in all parts of the uk by an utter landslide, that is frankly laughable.

The endorsement of Johnson and his cabal of liars, charlatans and chancers all across England is a statement in itself. 

I've said it time and again, we are very very different in our political and social outlook from our neighbours in the south. We're becoming increasingly so. 

Its almost like we're a different country. 

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The Mighty Thor

Watch 'The Dirty War on the NHS' if you want to see the direction of travel. 

 

Then ask yourself why ITV embargoed this until after the election. 

 

What Johnson says and what Johnson does are two very different things as we'll find out at our leisure over the next 5 years. 

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DETTY29

So all going as anticipated.

 

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The Real Maroonblood
17 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

So all going as anticipated.

 

:laugh2:

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Montgomery Brewster
13 hours ago, RobboM said:


Here is a detailed and depressing analysis of the next 12 months from Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to the EU, the sort of grown up who speaks with authority in this area.

It's very grim

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/ivan-rogers-on-brexit-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-eu-trade-deal-boris-johnson-labour-election-speech-glasgow

More people should read and educate themselves 

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XB52
11 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Honestly, with the utter and complete rejection of a solid left wing agenda in all parts of the uk by an utter landslide, that is frankly laughable.

I know you are happy with a right wing agenda, as is your right. Scotland has, once again, totally rejected that. Not sure what is laughable, it's just a fact. England and Scotland are in totally different paths now

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Mikey1874

People can object to Jeremy Corbyn ('anti-west', 'pro-IRA', 'anti-Israel / anti-semitic', 'left wing policies' etc). And some of these criticisms I agree with. 

 

But if you look at the policies they are basically about investing in the people of this country. A different approach in some areas but mostly fairly mainstream and popular. 

 

Tony Blair (remember him) has given a speech today. Those like him haven't actually set out what they want to deliver for people. Do they really still trust the rich and powerful to create wealth for everyone. Without some restructuring of things like tax and worker participation. Not to mention education and opportunity. (Private education is by far the main ticket to success in this country). Nearly all those wanting change were part of the Labour centre right defeated in 2010 and 2015. And is say Yvette Cooper or David Milliband or Chuka Ummuna really much different politically from Boris Johnson? Maybe that is what people want. But you should offer an alternative. 

 

It was a devastating defeat. And Labour does need to change. But their policy agenda has moved forward and at least offers a way.

 

I personally believe the potential in this country comes from investing more in those who are at least relatively disadvantaged. Not just maintain existing advantages. Offering that is the challenge for Labour and as it happens Boris Johnson. 

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Cade

Melanie Phillips writing in the Jewish Chronicle trying to make out that the calling out of Islamophobia is just a cover for antisemitism.

:vrface:

 

She's finally lost her tenuous grasp on reality.

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Ray Gin
14 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

Honestly, with the utter and complete rejection of a solid left wing agenda in all parts of the uk by an utter landslide, that is frankly laughable.

 

:cornette: 

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Weakened Offender
On 17/12/2019 at 07:30, Bridge of Djoum said:

Absolutely vile comment.

 

Yup. Utter filth. 

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doctor jambo
2 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

:cornette: 

The snp are NOT socialist. Never have been. It’s a con to get labour voters.

there was a socialist manifesto on offer in Scotland , and it was roundly rejected .

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
11 hours ago, ri Alban said:

In all parts? Really! A 65% endorsement up in Scotland. Wales returned majority for Labour, NI? Feck knows! 

England, for now, isn't the UK or GB. 

Think majority of NI MPs are now Republican.

:lol:

 

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