Mikey1874 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Liverpool would annihilate France for example, Man City would trounce Belgium. The level in the Champions League is much higher, the top teams don’t get beat by the equivalent of Wales or Northern Ireland. International football is falling away slowly but surely in Scottish footballs list of priorities, as crowds go up in the top league they plummet for the national team. You have a point. Though Leeds United in 1969 would have given England or Germany a game. Real Madrid in 1962 even Brazil. English Premiership isn't Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: You have a point. Though Leeds United in 1969 would have given England or Germany a game. Real Madrid in 1962 even Brazil. English Premiership isn't Scotland. Indeed, so you could say most Old Firm teams over the last 30 years would beat Scotland then (a lot of the same players obviously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: I don't think Clarke would have brought in Naismith if he wasn't going to play.him. Delighted for him to win that 50th cap. Possibly many more over the next year or so. Definitely we all know Naismith is more than good enough to bag a few goals against Cyprus and Kazakhstan at home. Wish him well and get him back in one piece. At this point I’m not even tempting fate saying that with our injury record or players fit to play record rather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Liverpool would annihilate France for example, Man City would trounce Belgium. The level in the Champions League is much higher, the top teams don’t get beat by the equivalent of Wales or Northern Ireland. International football is falling away slowly but surely in Scottish footballs list of priorities, as crowds go up in the top league they plummet for the national team. All about opinions. Imo you couldn't be further wrong if you tried with regard to your first sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Liverpool would annihilate France for example, Man City would trounce Belgium. The level in the Champions League is much higher, the top teams don’t get beat by the equivalent of Wales or Northern Ireland. International football is falling away slowly but surely in Scottish footballs list of priorities, as crowds go up in the top league they plummet for the national team. Just listen to the great ex players and read their memoirs. Their highlights were appearances in World and international Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: All about opinions. Imo you couldn't be further wrong if you tried with regard to your first sentence. We could go through the French team and compare them one by one, only Mbappe would get in the Liverpool team and you think they could beat them 🤔😆?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Prof said: Just listen to the great ex players and read their memoirs. Their highlights were appearances in World and international Games. Indeed, that’s in the past though it’s 2019 and it’s not as important now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, that’s in the past though it’s 2019 and it’s not as important now. Still think you are wrong but let’s agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Small time mentality from Scotland results in being dismissed as irrelevant by players and clubs. Just invoke the ruling which doesn’t allow players who withdraw from an international squad to participate in their next club game. Who gives a toss if Liverpool or Arsenal get upset, they wouldn’t do this to English or French players. If a player then decides to ‘retire’ from international football at least we know who the shite-hawks are that have turned their backs on their country. Let’s see them looking their friends and family in the eyes when they come home after doing that. Should be proudest moment of your life pulling your country’s colours on not a chore. Edited November 13, 2019 by Allowayjambo1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 hours ago, The Apprentice said: Lewis Morgan called up after only 3 appearances for Celtic this season and he barely makes their match day squad. What a joke. Exactly. There are plenty of players playing regularly in the SPFL who would do just as well if not better than a player who is a bit part player at best with one of the OF. It's no wonder so many players jump ship to the arse cheeks when you see examples like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 hours ago, The Apprentice said: Lewis Morgan called up after only 3 appearances for Celtic this season and he barely makes their match day squad. What a joke. Exactly. There are plenty of players playing regularly in the SPFL who would do just as well if not better than a player who is a bit part player at best with one of the OF. It's no wonder so many players jump ship to the arse cheeks when you see examples like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Allowayjambo1874 said: Small time mentality from Scotland results in being dismissed as irrelevant by players and clubs. Just invoke the ruling which doesn’t allow players who withdraw from an international squad to participate in their next club game. Who gives a toss if Liverpool or Arsenal get upset, they wouldn’t do this to English or French players. If a player then decides to ‘retire’ from international football at least we know who the shite-hawks are that have turned their backs on their country. Let’s see them looking their friends and family in the eyes when they come home after doing that. Should be proudest moment of your life pulling your country’s colours on not a chore. Northern Ireland did it to Lafferty and Rangers and it didn’t affect their relationship. Top Players no longer see the International team as the pinnacle of the career. The SFA treat them poorly, the pay is minimal, the clubs have more power now and more guys are retiring from International football than ever as soon as they hit 30. Snodgrass lifts the lid in this interview on some reasons why players don’t want to come up, he retired a few weeks later. https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/other-football/robert-snodgrass-scotland-gordon-strachan-16868341 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Exactly. There are plenty of players playing regularly in the SPFL who would do just as well if not better than a player who is a bit part player at best with one of the OF. It's no wonder so many players jump ship to the arse cheeks when you see examples like this. He’s picked him a few times now, the boys has done nothing at Celtic and if Hibs hadn’t pissed then off he’d be on loan there. Would anyone recognise him if he walked up to you in the street? Clarke has given run of the mill players a call up though, Porteous being the most recent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Prof said: Still think you are wrong but let’s agree to disagree. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Apprentice Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Exactly. There are plenty of players playing regularly in the SPFL who would do just as well if not better than a player who is a bit part player at best with one of the OF. It's no wonder so many players jump ship to the arse cheeks when you see examples like this. Jack Hendry was another who got a cap as soon as he signed for Celtic whereas he'd be nowhere near it had he stayed at Dundee. I honestly believe that as part of the terms of signing a contract with them is they guarantee you a Scotland call-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingJambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Replace these call offs with players from the under 21s or the under 19s that just beat Germany. Meaningless games anyway and would be a good experience for the guys to be in and around the main team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxburn Jambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Prof said: Far to many despicable comments putting country after club. You expect that from Rankers but not Hearts. The likes of Bauld, Cruikie and Robbo regarding playing for their country a great honour. shame the national Association didn't think the same of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, The Apprentice said: Jack Hendry was another who got a cap as soon as he signed for Celtic whereas he'd be nowhere near it had he stayed at Dundee. I honestly believe that as part of the terms of signing a contract with them is they guarantee you a Scotland call-up. It's not a new thing. Andy Walker and Tosh McKinley spring to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Liverpool would annihilate France for example, Man City would trounce Belgium. The level in the Champions League is much higher, the top teams don’t get beat by the equivalent of Wales or Northern Ireland. International football is falling away slowly but surely in Scottish footballs list of priorities, as crowds go up in the top league they plummet for the national team. So Liverpool would have won the World Cup last year Away and don't talk shite. They cannot win their own league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: It's not a new thing. Andy Walker and Tosh McKinley spring to mind Kris Boyd as well. No caps with Kilmarnock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Would be happy for Naismith to walk onto the pitch, get his 50th cap and sit out the rest of the game, Players who would walk over hot coals to play for their country are few in Scotland, and I am surprised they have not enforced the rule, if you back out, you don't play in the club's next game ( or two ). Too often the Glasgow clubs pull their players out for little or no reason, only to see them play a couple of days later. Would prefer our players didn't waste time and energy playing in meaningless games where they could be injured, when we need them the most, but that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Northern Ireland did it to Lafferty and Rangers and it didn’t affect their relationship. Top Players no longer see the International team as the pinnacle of the career. The SFA treat them poorly, the pay is minimal, the clubs have more power now and more guys are retiring from International football than ever as soon as they hit 30. Snodgrass lifts the lid in this interview on some reasons why players don’t want to come up, he retired a few weeks later. https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/other-football/robert-snodgrass-scotland-gordon-strachan-16868341 You look at NI, they have a team of grafters, willing to give everything to the cause and 100% see playing for their country as the absolute pinnacle. Sadly, the likes of Andy Robertson don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 A similar message to the one Michael O'Neill delivered on Lafferty would be to strip Robertson of the captaincy. However Robertson has stayed with the squad so looks like he is still valued as captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Broxburn Jambo said: shame the national Association didn't think the same of them Agreed. If these guys played for either of the bigot brothers they would have gained many more caps. But that’s the way the SFA/GFA works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, benny said: So Liverpool would have won the World Cup last year Away and don't talk shite. They cannot win their own league. They won the Champions League, had more points than any other team has ever amassed (apart from City), lost one league game in the last 18 months and would absolutely wipe the floor with a team with Olivier Giroud up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: You look at NI, they have a team of grafters, willing to give everything to the cause and 100% see playing for their country as the absolute pinnacle. Sadly, the likes of Andy Robertson don't. I’m not sure if Robertson is necessarily is the best person to throw that at, if he hadn’t pitched again like Tierney then yes, but he’s played many games and these two fixtures are meaningless. The difference with NI is the manager who will likely succeed with Stoke and take them back up, probably why he was on £750k with them and now double that. Hopefully some of it has rubbed off on Macphee, who might be off to Stoke if we don’t give him the managers job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: They won the Champions League, had more points than any other team has ever amassed (apart from City), lost one league game in the last 18 months and would absolutely wipe the floor with a team with Olivier Giroud up front. But they lost 4 games in winning the champions league. Lost to Chelsea in the league cup.Then Wolves in the FA cup. So your point is still shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Only Mbappe would get into the Liverpool team?!? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, benny said: But they lost 4 games in winning the champions league. Lost to Chelsea in the league cup.Then Wolves in the FA cup. So your point is still shite. Did France win all their games? Which players of theirs would get in the Liverpool team? https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/teams/team/43946/ Edited November 13, 2019 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: Only Mbappe would get into the Liverpool team?!? Wow. What other ones would then? It would be nice if you reply to me directly this time. https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/teams/team/43946/ Edited November 13, 2019 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: What other ones would then? It would be nice if you reply to me directly this time. I wasn't really replying just expressing my view. Varane>Matip The French midfield 3 is better than the Liverpool midfield 3 as well. I mean Henderson/Milner over Kante? Come on. Allison TAA VVD Varane Robertson Kante Matuidi Pogba/Wijnaldum Mbappe Firminho Mane/Salah A reasonably even split but certainly neither team would be getting annihilated 😂 Edited November 13, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Taffin said: I wasn't really replying just expressing my view. Varane>Matip The French midfield 3 is better than the Liverpool midfield 3 as well. I mean Henderson/Milner over Kante? Come on. Pogba hahahahahaha, the three at Liverpool play as part of a team not like a selfish show pony.Is Kante better than Firmino, pretty even really. The determination and grit that Henderson and Milner play with sees Liverpool through many games. Varane plays in a team who get away with murder and lose goals hand over fist, quite possibly better than Matip/Gomes though. Overall Liverpool’s defence is better (4 out of 5) , as is the midfield and front three collectively. I would love to see them play each other though, much more interesting than most internationals these days as Scotland’s upcoming attendances will show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Pogba hahahahahaha, the three at Liverpool play as part of a team not like a selfish show pony.Is Kante better than Firmino, pretty even really. The determination and grit that Henderson and Milner play with sees Liverpool through many games. Varane plays in a team who get away with murder and lose goals hand over fist, quite possibly better than Matip/Gomes though. Overall Liverpool’s defence is better (4 out of 5) , as is the midfield and front three collectively. I would love to see them play each other though, much more interesting than most internationals these days as Scotland’s upcoming attendances will show. Is Kante better than Firmino? Says it all really, next you'll be saying Allison is better than Giroud and therefore you are correct. Kante and Matiudi would stroll into the Liverpool midfield 3 in a heartbeat. Your basis for Liverpool being better good seems to be because they won the Champion's league...Varane has 4 of them. The French team's medal haul utterly dwarfs the Liverpool team both internationally and domestically Edited November 13, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Taffin said: Is Kante better than Firmino? Says it all really, next you'll be saying Allison is better than Giroud and therefore you are correct. Kante and Matiudi would stroll into the Liverpool midfield 3 in a heartbeat. Your basis for Liverpool being better good seems to be because they won the Champion's league...Varane has 4 of them. The French team's medal haul utterly dwarfs the Liverpool team both internationally and domestically Oops I typed Fabhino and it changed it to Firmino 🙈. You seem to dislike Liverpool for some reason. Matuidi can’t even breeze into the Juve team at the minute I’m afraid never mind Liverpool’s. They have won many medals there’s no doubt about that, apart from the Spurs contingent obviously. So that’s five players in your opinion that are better than Liverpool’s, a ringing endorsement 😃👍🏽. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: Did France win all their games? Which players of theirs would get in the Liverpool team? https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/teams/team/43946/ Brilliant idea for a tournament though. FIFA love new competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Brilliant idea for a tournament though. FIFA love new competitions. They could squeeze it in eh . . . mmm at the . . . somewhere 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 18 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Porteous is an absolute hammerthrower. For a Hibs **** however, I quite like him and tbh it's hilarious that after decades of them yelping like scalded dugs about BIG PHYSICUL HERTZ that they're chugging like piston engines over him. Spot on. Porteous is the kind of old school centre half that Scotland are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu03q285 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Liverpool would annihilate France for example, Man City would trounce Belgium. The level in the Champions League is much higher, the top teams don’t get beat by the equivalent of Wales or Northern Ireland. What a load of Sh!$e!!!! Red star Belgrade beat Liverpool last year in Champions league Possibly the equivalent of a Wales ?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, Stu03q285 said: What a load of Sh!$e!!!! Red star Belgrade beat Liverpool last year in Champions league Possibly the equivalent of a Wales ?!?! Iceland beat England, Scotland beat France, England beat Spain away, Wales beat Belgium etc etc they happen regularly at International level. The quality of the football in the Champions League is of a higher standard than most internationals, thanks for proving my point though 😜. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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