Celtic FC - A National Disgrace

[ElGee1973]

11 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

The same Celtic fans who were begging the British embassy to help them out in Italy.

Correct 

[Rudy T]

The Green Brigade need shut down there’s something sinister about that lot. Way too much power at Celtic for comfort!

[1971fozzy]

8 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said:

Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

pretty much sums them up

[dannymack]

3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Can we question how much money General Haig and his family have made in the last 100 years from jobs etc?

Does everyone know that you buy the tins and poppies from them for a certain amount and keep the money you collect?
Does everyone know that military charities have £327m in the bank doing nothing to help the people they allegedly support?

There you are, I'm sure if you contact Poppy Scotland and inform them that you would like to question they're integrity them I'm sure they'd be quite happy and pleased to answer your queries. 

[Rudy T]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Can we question how much money General Haig and his family have made in the last 100 years from jobs etc?

Does everyone know that you buy the tins and poppies from them for a certain amount and keep the money you collect?
Does everyone know that military charities have £327m in the bank doing nothing to help the people they allegedly support?

 

I’m more concerned with the claim there’s 327 million in military charities doing nothing than the poppy collection. Where are you getting this from ?

[dannymack]

21 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

 

I’m more concerned with the claim there’s 327 million in military charities doing nothing than the poppy collection. Where are you getting this from ?

 

His heed 😂

[SpruceBringsteen]

1 hour ago, Rudy T said:

 

I’m more concerned with the claim there’s 327 million in military charities doing nothing than the poppy collection. Where are you getting this from ?

 

1 hour ago, dannymack said:

 

His heed 😂

 

https://news.sky.com/story/military-charities-sit-on-3-1bn-while-veterans-struggle-11844999

[Sexton Hardcastle]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/poppy-armistice-day-2019-remembrance-a9198001.html

 

Good piece by Miguel Delaney.

[JJ93]

4 hours ago, jock _turd said:

No great lover of the Irish... but firstly there were two wars fought in the 20th century and in the first of those wars a lot of very brave Irishmen gave their lives. The second some 800 odd soldiers from Ireland broke their country's law and fought against Hitler's regime.

Indeed. 
 

They had to join the British army. Apologies, I should have not specified WW2 only. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

17 minutes ago, JJ93 said:

Indeed. 
 

They had to join the British army. Apologies, I should have not specified WW2 only. 

Correct.

 

I often wonder what the Green Brigade think of de Valera paying condolences at the German Embassy in Dublin after the death of Hitler. That's a complete head **** for simpletons like them.

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, SUTOL said:

 

Poppy Scotland is 'owned' by The British Legion. 

Not quite.

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, Forever Hearts said:

It's worrying that people will believe the absolute garbage you are spouting. 

I’ve never said a truer word I’m afraid.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, dannymack said:

 

His heed 😂

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/armed-forces-charities-sit-on-reserves-of-275-million-5r9dgb0gt

no need to apologise I was £50m out.

1 hour ago, SpruceBringsteen said:

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/military-charities-sit-on-3-1bn-while-veterans-struggle-11844999

Cheers, I’m sure you know the dodgy ****ers I’m on about.

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, dannymack said:

There you are, I'm sure if you contact Poppy Scotland and inform them that you would like to question they're integrity them I'm sure they'd be quite happy and pleased to answer your queries. 

I was told they were allowed to keep what they made, it would appear that’s not true. As far as I’m aware they’re not involved anymore hopefully (they weren’t in Gorgie last year)  and PS may well have figured out the scam thankfully.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Pasquale for King

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, Rudy T said:

 

I’m more concerned with the claim there’s 327 million in military charities doing nothing than the poppy collection. Where are you getting this from ?

It’s been in the media for the last two weeks, depends on where you get your info from I suppose. I was £50m out though sorry.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/armed-forces-charities-sit-on-reserves-of-275-million-5r9dgb0gt

[Pasquale for King]

Didn’t mean to derail the thread there but I needed to get that off my chest.

Moronic Celtic ***** eh 🙈.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Pasquale for King

[Pasquale for King]

6 hours ago, XB52 said:

I thought Haig family had nothing to do with poppies anymore? I know my old grandad detested the Poppy appeal when it was the Earl Haig fund but thought that had stopped years ago

I tried to send you a message but it says you can’t receive them. It seems that PS is still part of the Haig foundation. If you change your settings I will send you more details. I have no doubt the majority of people who collect hand over the money, the system seems open to abuse though.

https://support.britishlegion.org.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/280/~/poppy-faqs

Edited November 12, 2019 by Pasquale for King

[dannymack]

1 hour ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/poppy-armistice-day-2019-remembrance-a9198001.html

 

Good piece by Miguel Delaney.

Decent read, pointing out the over commercialising of Remembrance day but you would have thought he'd done his research properly and planted a dagger or two into the heart of our fine club.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/poppy-armistice-day-2019-remembrance-a9198001.html

 

Good piece by Miguel Delaney.

It is indeed.

[Beast Boy]

The independent makes the arguments against this based on a few crass examples. Many just use the minute or two minutes to to think about those who fell in conflicts around the world. A little bit of money towards veterans’ wellbeing and a moment or two to reflect upon the horrors of war are what I associate with armistice day and Remembrance Sunday. I am not about to change that, and I’m not going to be guilted in to changing that by some ridiculous buffoon fannying about in a poppy costume. I’m a left-minded person and I do not like war. I’ve lost relatives in the military too. The “politicising” of the poppy is distasteful, but it comes from two directions, not one.

[Captain Sausage]

16 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

The independent makes the arguments against this based on a few crass examples. Many just use the minute or two minutes to to think about those who fell in conflicts around the world. A little bit of money towards veterans’ wellbeing and a moment or two to reflect upon the horrors of war are what I associate with armistice day and Remembrance Sunday. I am not about to change that, and I’m not going to be guilted in to changing that by some ridiculous buffoon fannying about in a poppy costume. I’m a left-minded person and I do not like war. I’ve lost relatives in the military too. The “politicising” of the poppy is distasteful, but it comes from two directions, not one.

Fully agree with everything you’ve written here. Spot on. 

[Spellczech]

9 hours ago, dannymack said:

There you are, I'm sure if you contact Poppy Scotland and inform them that you would like to question they're integrity them I'm sure they'd be quite happy and pleased to answer your queries. 

I have to say that for me Remembrance is about WW1 & 2. These were the guys for whom soldiering was not a career choice. There are no longer any survivors of WW1 and there are fewer from WW2 ever year - and probably  very few who came through it damaged either physically or mentally.  I'm not sure where the donations go and who they go to, but for me it is now more about Remembrance with thought than money...

Edited November 12, 2019 by Spellczech

[Beast Boy]

Just now, Spellczech said:

I have to say that for me Remembrance is about WW1 & 2. These were the guys for whom soldiering was not a career choice. There are no longer any survivors of WW1 and there are fewer from WW2 ever year.  I'm not sure where the donations go and who they go to, but for me it is now more about Remembrance with thought than money...

I agree. The minute or two minute silences are supposed to be a time to reflect on the horror of war, and on loss and sacrifice. I tend to think about those who have died and then the rush that politicians are in to send more young men and women to their deaths for money and resources. The idea is that we do not forget. Unfortunately many have and do.

[¼½¾]

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

I have to say that for me Remembrance is about WW1 & 2. These were the guys for whom soldiering was not a career choice. There are no longer any survivors of WW1 and there are fewer from WW2 ever year - and probably  very few who came through it damaged either physically or mentally.  I'm not sure where the donations go and who they go to, but for me it is now more about Remembrance with thought than money...

After WW2, National Service meant there was conscription up to the late 50s - early 60s, with soldiers serving Malaysia, Kenya, the Korean War and the Suez Crisis among other places.  It's a shame to forget their sacrifice.

[Rudy T]

8 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

It’s been in the media for the last two weeks, depends on where you get your info from I suppose. I was £50m out though sorry.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/armed-forces-charities-sit-on-reserves-of-275-million-5r9dgb0gt

 

Now that’s a national disgrace. Absolutely shocking and needs looked at now.

[XB52]

8 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I tried to send you a message but it says you can’t receive them. It seems that PS is still part of the Haig foundation. If you change your settings I will send you more details. I have no doubt the majority of people who collect hand over the money, the system seems open to abuse though.

https://support.britishlegion.org.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/280/~/poppy-faqs

Yes. I had a look after our original exchange and, although the family aren't on the board of trustees, their name is still connected. A bit concerned with your last sentence as that would be the case with absolutely any charity;people collecting with tins could indeed keep the money but the vast majority do not and checks are in place to stop this. Your initial statement stated that they all kept the money which is untrue

[jock _turd]

3 hours ago, Spellczech said:

I have to say that for me Remembrance is about WW1 & 2. These were the guys for whom soldiering was not a career choice. There are no longer any survivors of WW1 and there are fewer from WW2 ever year - and probably  very few who came through it damaged either physically or mentally.  I'm not sure where the donations go and who they go to, but for me it is now more about Remembrance with thought than money...

I agree to a great extent but what also must be borne in mind about the "Great War" is that a large number of the fallen were in fact career soldiers as well as those who did choose to go and fight... our great footballers of 1914 amongst them. Conscription did not begin until sometime in 1916.

[ColJT22]

On 11/11/2019 at 09:08, JJ93 said:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4938654/celtic-green-brigade-boycott-silence-remembrance-poppy-chant/

 

The best fans in the world? A British football team?

 

Let us also never forget that Ireland remained ‘neutral’ in the War. Unfathomable. 
 

This is a shocking example of how tribal, robotic and deeply irrational football ‘attendees’ can be. Sickening. 

Nothing short of a disgrace. 

[Weakened Offender]

3 hours ago, Rudy T said:

 

Now that’s a national disgrace. Absolutely shocking and needs looked at now.

 

An utter disgrace. 

 

But let's focus on Celtic again... 🙄 

Edited November 12, 2019 by Weakened Offender

[annushorribilis III]

Celtic didn't get a mention but worth a look ....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/nov/12/david-squires-on-football-and-the-poppy

[Jambothump]

23 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

God doesn't exist, and the Vatican as a socio-political entity is historically complicit in the death, subjugation, and misery of countless millions.

 

Lovely architecture, though, and they do have some nice paintings.

Well recognised, evil, corrupt organisation. As with all religious entities.

[SE16 3LN]

So all but one of the major charities keep the correct levels of reserves recommended for a charity and Hearts fans are calling them corrupt.

[Boris]

1 hour ago, jock _turd said:

I agree to a great extent but what also must be borne in mind about the "Great War" is that a large number of the fallen were in fact career soldiers as well as those who did choose to go and fight... our great footballers of 1914 amongst them. Conscription did not begin until sometime in 1916.

 

And only on the mainland, it didn't cover Ireland.

[Spellczech]

1 hour ago, jock _turd said:

I agree to a great extent but what also must be borne in mind about the "Great War" is that a large number of the fallen were in fact career soldiers as well as those who did choose to go and fight... our great footballers of 1914 amongst them. Conscription did not begin until sometime in 1916.

Conscription is different from volunteering is different from being a career soldier though...

[The Old Tolbooth]

6 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

The independent makes the arguments against this based on a few crass examples. Many just use the minute or two minutes to to think about those who fell in conflicts around the world. A little bit of money towards veterans’ wellbeing and a moment or two to reflect upon the horrors of war are what I associate with armistice day and Remembrance Sunday. I am not about to change that, and I’m not going to be guilted in to changing that by some ridiculous buffoon fannying about in a poppy costume. I’m a left-minded person and I do not like war. I’ve lost relatives in the military too. The “politicising” of the poppy is distasteful, but it comes from two directions, not one.

 

I tend to agree with that, I feel the poppy has been used for point scoring from both sides and it's getting worse over the years, it saddens me because it's meant to be to remember the heroes who were sent to their deaths during the wars, and not used as some point scoring, money making tool. I post about it on my Facebook once a year, on the day it's meant to be posted, and that's it, others start some 8 weeks in advance in a bid to score some "look at me" points, it bugs me. 

 

I should also add that if some people choose to wear a white poppy, or not wear a poppy at all, then that doesn't bother me in the slightest, if Whelan, Mulraney, and Doyle, all ran out to play for Hearts and refused to wear a poppy, then that's their right and that's their beliefs, I would respect that, each to their own and all that, and the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same views. 

[jock _turd]

4 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Conscription is different from volunteering is different from being a career soldier though...

Absolutely no arguments from me on that... but the mindset was very different back then and of those who volunteered it is very well documented that a great number chose to go for the adventure and the thought of going abroad... sounds mad but its fact you have to remember that many of those early volunteers had never been out of their own county never mind abroad. There was also a great sense of duty and national pride involved... something not taken very seriously these days, unless of course in a racist fashion. One only has to look at Brexit to see that most of the Brexit vote is compiled of right wing fascists complaining about filthy johnny foreigner coming over here and stealing our jobs and wealth... the irony being most of those will do jobs that most British people would not lower themselves to do and work a lot harder while doing said work.

[Pasquale for King]

4 hours ago, Rudy T said:

 

Now that’s a national disgrace. Absolutely shocking and needs looked at now.

Definitely, the people who need help can’t get it and are suffering hardships that nobody should go through.

[Pasquale for King]

4 hours ago, XB52 said:

Yes. I had a look after our original exchange and, although the family aren't on the board of trustees, their name is still connected. A bit concerned with your last sentence as that would be the case with absolutely any charity;people collecting with tins could indeed keep the money but the vast majority do not and checks are in place to stop this. Your initial statement stated that they all kept the money which is untrue

Yes indeed i was wrong there, I was informed that this was the arrangement, I’m sure the person who told me was passing on what he was told.

[redjambo]

3 hours ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

 

I tend to agree with that, I feel the poppy has been used for point scoring from both sides and it's getting worse over the years, it saddens me because it's meant to be to remember the heroes who were sent to their deaths during the wars, and not used as some point scoring, money making tool. I post about it on my Facebook once a year, on the day it's meant to be posted, and that's it, others start some 8 weeks in advance in a bid to score some "look at me" points, it bugs me. 

 

I should also add that if some people choose to wear a white poppy, or not wear a poppy at all, then that doesn't bother me in the slightest, if Whelan, Mulraney, and Doyle, all ran out to play for Hearts and refused to wear a poppy, then that's their right and that's their beliefs, I would respect that, each to their own and all that, and the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same views. 

 

Spot on.

[tcjambo]

On 11/11/2019 at 11:11, Des Lynam said:

I fully understand the position of someone like James McClean but we should just ignore the green brigade. 

I don't. He's full of shit.

 

[Forever Hearts]

McClean - hates the crown, loves the half crown. 

[stan]

8 hours ago, SE16 3LN said:

So all but one of the major charities keep the correct levels of reserves recommended for a charity and Hearts fans are calling them corrupt.

Correct. Disappointing to see that misinformation being spun as a scandal.

[stan]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yes indeed i was wrong there, I was informed that this was the arrangement, I’m sure the person who told me was passing on what he was told.

You falsely claimed in a ridiculous rant that the Haig family pocketed Poppy Scotland cash and that collectors keep what they bring in.

 

And you based that on a rumour your mate passed on?

 

If you'd any integrity you'd edit your original posts to remove those damaging claims. Give Reason for edit: slavering nonsense of a gullible nature.

[Hesh]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yes indeed i was wrong there, I was informed that this was the arrangement, I’m sure the person who told me was passing on what he was told.

so your comment about people buying the ‘tins’ and keeping the money they collect is Bull?

[Hesh]

17 minutes ago, Hesh said:

so your comment about people buying the ‘tins’ and keeping the money they collect is Bull?

 

If there’s an issue donating to poppy scotland you could always give to a Regimental Association 

http://www.theroyalscots.co.uk/regimental-benevolence/

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, stan said:

You falsely claimed in a ridiculous rant that the Haig family pocketed Poppy Scotland cash and that collectors keep what they bring in.

 

And you based that on a rumour your mate passed on?

 

If you'd any integrity you'd edit your original posts to remove those damaging claims. Give Reason for edit: slavering nonsense of a gullible nature.

Have you got any proof that tje Haig family haven’t profited through jobs etc and still do?

I watched some dodgy ****ers bring thousands of pounds worth of change into my work for years, and their explanation was that they bought the box and got to keep the cash. The truth being they’re trusted to hand it all in to PS. I did believe that so perhaps I was gullible there, but if PS believe these folk do it for any other reason that their own benefit they don’t know them as I do.

As for editing posts you can only do it for so long after posting. Any mistakes I’ve made I’ve apologised for. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Hesh said:

so your comment about people buying the ‘tins’ and keeping the money they collect is Bull?

Not at all, they told my boss that’s what happens. Turns out they buy the tins/box and are trusted to hand it all back, I can’t prove it but I’m pretty sure they don’t.

[stan]

30 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Have you got any proof that tje Haig family haven’t profited through jobs etc and still do?

I watched some dodgy ****ers bring thousands of pounds worth of change into my work for years, and their explanation was that they bought the box and got to keep the cash. The truth being they’re trusted to hand it all in to PS. I did believe that so perhaps I was gullible there, but if PS believe these folk do it for any other reason that their own benefit they don’t know them as I do.

As for editing posts you can only do it for so long after posting. Any mistakes I’ve made I’ve apologised for. 

 

If you look at fundraiser regulator.org you'll see that all cash collected must be documented by 2 people and any charity allowing collectors to keep money raised would be removed as a charity.

 

Think about it for a moment and you'd realise that any charity running an operation like you suggest would be ripped apart by every political party and every media outlet.

 

Fair point regarding edit times, I wasn't aware of that. I'm sure mods could help you out there though.

[Beast Boy]

2 hours ago, Forever Hearts said:

McClean - hates the crown, loves the half crown. 

Not sure why anyone wouldn’t hate the crown to be honest.

[Pasquale for King]

40 minutes ago, stan said:

If you look at fundraiser regulator.org you'll see that all cash collected must be documented by 2 people and any charity allowing collectors to keep money raised would be removed as a charity.

 

Think about it for a moment and you'd realise that any charity running an operation like you suggest would be ripped apart by every political party and every media outlet.

 

Fair point regarding edit times, I wasn't aware of that. I'm sure mods could help you out there though.

I’m only going by their guidelines. It only takes two corrupt individuals to count the cash, it was a group effort after all.
I have no reason to make any of this shit up, I was hope Spruce would back me up as he knows them too.

https://support.britishlegion.org.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/280/~/poppy-faqs