Difference ?

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

15 minutes ago, Baxfee said:

Confidence- you could see the players starting to enjoy it. 

You could see the players were willing to play with freedom again without fearing a ticking off from the dugout. Naismith linked everything in the last third and Uche by pulling wide gave the midfield more space to push  up into the space where the big man under Levein's leadership would have had his back to goal. 

[Texaco]

Passing forward. Simples.

[Debut 4]

Wasn’t a great performance but with more intent and positive thinking it brought opportunities. Simple as that really. 

 

St Mirren are murder apart from Andreu who is a decent wee player. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

1 hour ago, Commander lovemuscle said:

Was not at the game today but do you think the difference today was that we set out to win the game and not to lose the game as a poster on here said that's what Jim Jefferies though leveins plans where ?

The difference is we were playing a team of absolute no hopers

[Thomaso]

Clare nowhere near the team for a start, or Wighton for that matter.

Playing Uche and Naismith up front in a much more positive formation.

Great 2nd half and kept pushing for goals.

It. was like a dark negative presence had been lifted from the team and stadium.

Edited November 9, 2019 by Thomaso

[Dia Liom]

18 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

It's as simple as this. Naismith an obvious example - directing / bollocking players from the off.

 

more 1st choice picks in the team  - and we see fringe players like Bozanic play better - by being able to focus on their limited abailities and not have to step up to fill the boots of better players.

 

Levein will be happy we've won, but very wistful as we will most likely see us rise up the table over the next few weeks...

 

 

 

Agree with you there on all fronts

 

For what it's worth, I thought Boz was uninspiring till his vital goal. He looked pretty useful at times last season but has done nothing much this term. Agree he should improve with better players, and more leaders around.

[Yoda]

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

naisy and clare

Spot on.

[Jim Panzee]

32 minutes ago, Dia Liom said:

 

Agree with you there on all fronts

 

For what it's worth, I thought Boz was uninspiring till his vital goal. He looked pretty useful at times last season but has done nothing much this term. Agree he should improve with better players, and more leaders around.

Yep. Bozanic is a good example of where we’ve been the last 6 months and how we will be in the next 6 months.

 

he is not, and never will be a Naismith / Walker.

 

but his energy adds another 2-3 % to a team of better players. He’s able to pass the ball forwards / sideways - instead of backwards etc etc

 

its small margins, but a single fringe player can be accommodated fine in a team of quality players. 
 

our problem has been fielding a team comprising upwards of 5-6 fringe players and hoping for the best.

 

it would take an exceptional and expensive manager to get consistent results coping with that. 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

43 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Clare nowhere near the team for a start, or Wighton for that matter.

Playing Uche and Naismith up front in a much more positive formation.

Great 2nd half and kept pushing for goals.

It. was like a dark negative presence had been lifted from the team and stadium.

but if you are being absolutely fair it was a wasn’t a more positive formation it was  because we had better players available to play it
 

we started with 3 forwards last week as well it’s just that they were shit compared to our proper first team forwards now that they are fit

 

lets not contort things so much that we end up up our own arses.

[Mike Tyson]

Naismith made a huge difference. 

 

A helpful factor was how bad St Mirren are. Our defence was all over the shop, a better team would have taken advantage.

[Hairdryer]

1 hour ago, TheOak88 said:

It’s almost as if maybe Levein was holding us back and should have been punted 9 months ago. 

 

 

Totally agree should have went after the cup final instead of staying on and

embarrassing himself and writing himself in the record books for unwanted records 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

7 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

Yep. Bozanic is a good example of where we’ve been the last 6 months and how we will be in the next 6 months.

 

he is not, and never will be a Naismith / Walker.

 

but his energy adds another 2-3 % to a team of better players. He’s able to pass the ball forwards / sideways - instead of backwards etc etc

 

its small margins, but a single fringe player can be accommodated fine in a team of quality players. 
 

our problem has been fielding a team comprising upwards of 5-6 fringe players and hoping for the best.

 

it would take an exceptional and expensive manager to get consistent results coping with that. 

big fan of small margins

 

and you’re right - if 85% of the team give a little more because they are getting bolloxed on the pitch then that like means wins instead of draws and the like

Edited November 9, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug

[NB GIN]

2 hours ago, DS98 said:

The difference was Naismith. Pure and simple 
 

Might sound daft but as a whole that was probably only a 5/10 performance.

Biggest difference no Levein 

[Clear few]

2 hours ago, jr ewing said:

Naismith player manager. 

I’m coming round to this idea as well!

It maybe too soon for him but there are so many positives to Naismith as player/manager with possibly AM as assistant and a new DOF/Recruitment person.

 

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

55 minutes ago, Texaco said:

Passing forward. Simples.

more passing forward due to better options due to better players leading the line and creating movement 

 

IMO

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

4 minutes ago, NB GIN said:

Biggest difference no Levein 

 

he needed to go - but totally disagree.

 

if you can’t see the difference in quality of Naismith, Uche and Walker versus the likes of Wighton and MacLean then, well, I don’t believe you.

 

We’d have lost that game without that front 3 today even with Levein gone.

Edited November 9, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug

[combo74]

1 hour ago, Tasavallan said:

The difference was that we were playing a very poor St Mirren, who still managed to score 2 goals. No defensive midfield and those that were supposed to play there, continually got caught in possession or gave the ball away.  Too many free kicks conceded outside the box that better teams would have taken advantage off.

 

Damour is a liability, as is Irving defensively.  Need Wheelan and Haring back ASAP.

 

Overall a good win, but remember the opposition.

 

What a miserable bunch we are! 🙄

 

We won, we scored 5 goals, it was entertaining...yet some still focus on the negatives! Cheer up FFS!

[Jim Panzee]

8 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

 

he needed to go - but totally disagree.

 

if you can’t see the difference in quality of Naismith, Uche and Walker versus the likes of Wighton and MacLean then, well, I don’t believe you.

 

We’d have lost that game without that front 3 today even with Levein gone.

Agree. The return of quality players is key.

 

its unfortunate for Levein that this didn’t happen sooner. I think he did have to go though despite this, as the effect of these returning players would’ve been reduced under his management.

[Jim Panzee]

1 hour ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Clare nowhere near the team for a start, or Wighton for that matter.

Playing Uche and Naismith up front in a much more positive formation.

Great 2nd half and kept pushing for goals.

It. was like a dark negative presence had been lifted from the team and stadium.

Agree.

 

i do think that Clare is an icing on the cake type player - pop him in amongst our strongest team and he’d hopefully surprise us.

 

feel sorry for him in that he’s stepped up to play for us during an awful injury ridden period. He’s not a midfield nuggety player. But he’s not hid behind a vague injury to avoid playing.

 

fingers crossed he come good - primarily for our club and also for him

 

[portobellojambo1]

2 hours ago, Commander lovemuscle said:

Was not at the game today but do you think the difference today was that we set out to win the game and not to lose the game as a poster on here said that's what Jim Jefferies though leveins plans where ?

 

It was as simple as that, for too long now we have gone onto the park being downtrodden by negativity. The teams that do best in tournaments, whether league or cups, are the teams who set out to win football matches. Today proved we have the basis of a team who can do that quite comfortably and there was no need to line them up negatively for so long. Even when we conceded the two goals today the heads didn't go down, we went back up the park with the intent of getting back in front. It was good to watch, it created a good atmosphere and it has to form the basis of the way to play going forward, irrespective of the opposition. If we can add to the team with a manager who has absolutely no respect for or fear of the Old Firm things can only get better.

[Fly the Saltire]

One word answer. NAISMITH heas and shoulders ahead of everyone on the park.

[BelgeJambo]

I have to take my hat off to Bozanic today

Worked his erse off, scored a goal and just maybe, a run of games might get him more confidence 

 

[TDF01]

Naysmith is class. Walker scored a great goal but doesn’t look fit. 
 

We also didn’t play the usual predictable Levein style of football. 

[Kiwidoug]

I read on here that we played a 4 3 3 formation after people on here had been screaming for that in block capitals for months.

 

Was that at least part of the difference?

 

AM reading kickback.

[McCrae]

22 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said:

I have to take my hat off to Bozanic today

Worked his erse off, scored a goal and just maybe, a run of games might get him more confidence 

 

The goal seemed to really give him a boost.... a much better player with more energy afterwards.

[Jim Panzee]

33 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said:

 

It was as simple as that, for too long now we have gone onto the park being downtrodden by negativity. The teams that do best in tournaments, whether league or cups, are the teams who set out to win football matches. Today proved we have the basis of a team who can do that quite comfortably and there was no need to line them up negatively for so long. Even when we conceded the two goals today the heads didn't go down, we went back up the park with the intent of getting back in front. It was good to watch, it created a good atmosphere and it has to form the basis of the way to play going forward, irrespective of the opposition. If we can add to the team with a manager who has absolutely no respect for or fear of the Old Firm things can only get better.

Agree. But having Naismith, Walker and Uche up top massively helped with this.

 

and we had Meshino on the bench today.

 

we go gung ho with McLean, keena up top supported by meshino,  Morrison and Mulraney....god bless them all....No amount of positive thinking will get us wins....

[Big Chae]

We were 5-2 up and McPhee was still pushing players up the park. That's what I want to see every week. 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

3 hours ago, GinRummy said:

All about opinions but I completely disagree. You only need to look at the Berra/Smith partnership and the difference today to know it’s our best option.

 

Smith set up two goals with crosses. He wouldn't have been able to do that from CB. By far our best RB and should always be played there unless we're desperate. Much happier with Hickey on the left.The Dikamona-Berra partnership will need time but we'll need to persist with it I think. Another example of injuries hitting us hard as Dikamona is 4th choice CB.

 

Edited November 9, 2019 by ToqueJambo

[Guest ToqueJambo]

9 minutes ago, Big Chae said:

We were 5-2 up and McPhee was still pushing players up the park. That's what I want to see every week. 

 

2 out of 3 were very positive subs too.

[NB GIN]

1 hour ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

 

he needed to go - but totally disagree.

 

if you can’t see the difference in quality of Naismith, Uche and Walker versus the likes of Wighton and MacLean then, well, I don’t believe you.

 

We’d have lost that game without that front 3 today even with Levein gone.

When was the last time we scored 5 goals with Levein as manager ? 

[Bighenry]

Forward passes. Pressing from the front. Uche actually getting some help. Better players . Trying to win. Not worrying about the opposition 

[Ethan Hunt]

Two things made the difference:

 

1 - Naismith being in the team.

2 - Clare not being in the team.

[boag1874]

What I like about todays goals is our wide players weren’t scared to get on the ball and into crossing positions, and also we made sure we had players in the box to receive the cross. Bozanic’s goal for instance, we have at least 3 players right on the 6 yard box & right on top of their back line. It’s no coincidence that all our goals were created from wide positions when we played like this

[martoon]

2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

The difference is we were playing a team of absolute no hopers

 

Tbf, we played and failed to beat no hopers frequently under Levein... 

 

...and many of them probably viewed us as the no hopers. 

 

 

[boag1874]

Just now, martoon said:

 

Tbf, we played and failed to beat no hopers frequently under Levein... 

 

...and many of them probably viewed us as the no hopers. 

 

 

True

[ScandinavianJambo]

4 hours ago, tcjambo said:

Strange that this fact seems to pass most people by

This

[Guest ToqueJambo]

22 minutes ago, NB GIN said:

When was the last time we scored 5 goals with Levein as manager ? 

 

Did it twice in July last year, double the number of times McInnes managed it with Aberdeen that same season.

[GinRummy]

8 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Smith set up two goals with crosses. He wouldn't have been able to do that from CB. By far our best RB and should always be played there unless we're desperate. Much happier with Hickey on the left.The Dikamona-Berra partnership will need time but we'll need to persist with it I think. Another example of injuries hitting us hard as Dikamona is 4th choice CB.

 

Agree about the injuries and that we lose some attacking threat playing MS centrally but the goals we lost speak for themselves. I’m sure AM will spot this and it’ll be Berra/Smith next game. 

[Commander lovemuscle]

Back to playing with a back 3 and 2 wing backs end result ?  the same loss of 3 points ,