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We’re basically chasing the Holy Grail here - we’re looking for a manager who is capable of making a club competitive at the top level with fewer resources than their rivals. There aren’t many managers around who are capable of that, and those that prove they are tend to get headhunted for jobs at big clubs fairly rapidly. Doesn’t always translate though - for every Alex Ferguson there’s a Davie Moyes.

 

So it’s unlikely we will get anyone who has a track record of this sort of over-achievement. Our choice is a young manager with some success at a lower level and a thirst to prove himself, or a more experienced manager who may have over-achieved at one club, but has failed at others, and we have to hope he has the right chemistry with ours.

 

Adams fits the first category, though as AB has said we’re looking for an experienced and established manager, I expect he wasn’t first choice.

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jack D and coke
3 minutes ago, Doc Rob said:

We’re basically chasing the Holy Grail here - we’re looking for a manager who is capable of making a club competitive at the top level with fewer resources than their rivals. There aren’t many managers around who are capable of that, and those that prove they are tend to get headhunted for jobs at big clubs fairly rapidly. Doesn’t always translate though - for every Alex Ferguson there’s a Davie Moyes.

 

So it’s unlikely we will get anyone who has a track record of this sort of over-achievement. Our choice is a young manager with some success at a lower level and a thirst to prove himself, or a more experienced manager who may have over-achieved at one club, but has failed at others, and we have to hope he has the right chemistry with ours.

 

Adams fits the first category, though as AB has said we’re looking for an experienced and established manager, I expect he wasn’t first choice.

You forgot to add we have a lot of really unrealistic and deluded fans too. 

Hearts are a good club there’s no doubt about that but it’s also a very difficult fit for pretty much all our managers. 
 

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Icon of Symmetry
41 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

No but I do believe people I know who worked with him and as I said if you think he was the one then good for you but simply not good enough in my eyes...…..you do seem somewhat upset at anyone daring to question his abilities though and given he was just one on a long list of fake manager stories I wonder why


“people I know”

 

”you seem”

 

yaddah...

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Ethan Hunt
35 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Easy to say in hindsight. Previous two seasons had three months at top of the league, semi-final and a final. 
I do agree though that the fact she was prepared  to give him time will be a plus with any potential managers. 
your last para is the same when any club changes manager otherwise they wouldn’t be changing. Substitute Arsenal,  Man U, et al for Hearts and it’s the same - players that are not good enough. 

Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone.

 

My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him).

 

Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players.

 

The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact.

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CJGJ
3 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:


“people I know”

 

”you seem”

 

yaddah...

As I said very upset on his behalf and a bit touchy..I wonder why though you refuse to answer

 

I guess the truth hurts but if you want second class then go for it and make your case

 

I'm happy with mine and I know its the truth

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Sir Gio
1 hour ago, Icon of Symmetry said:


Do you believe everything you read in the press though?

Trust me he is right. Poor reputation up here for one of their own. 

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Icon of Symmetry
7 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Trust me he is right. Poor reputation up here for one of their own. 


Don’t want the guy anywhere near us SG. Just replying in the same tone to someone who got all bent out of shape when I made a comment about Sevco recently. I tend to adopt that stance. :lol: 

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Dunks
2 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said:

2nd time this week I’ve said this. Anyone reading, buying or quoting that comic is an idiot, as for believing anything they print as regards to football in Scotland... that’s a special kind of lunacy. 

 

:spoton:

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soonbe110
29 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone.

 

My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him).

 

Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players.

 

The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact.

That’s my point re players. We think we have lots that are not good enough but under a different manager?? 

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Sir Gio
34 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:


Don’t want the guy anywhere near us SG. Just replying in the same tone to someone who got all bent out of shape when I made a comment about Sevco recently. I tend to adopt that stance. :lol: 

Righto!! Have it on good authority boys a strange one.  Nobody has a bad word about his old man funnily enough 

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Ethan Hunt
31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

That’s my point re players. We think we have lots that are not good enough but under a different manager?? 

One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players.

 

Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good.

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soonbe110
34 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players.

 

Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good.

Hard to disagree though I think there’s a player in Clare and at one time Wighton had a lot of potential so diff management might change them around. 

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Ethan Hunt
8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Hard to disagree though I think there’s a player in Clare and at one time Wighton had a lot of potential so diff management might change them around. 

Clare’s played 38 games for Hearts. I’m not seeing the ‘player’ others seem to see. Personally I don’t think he has what it takes for Scottish football, and certainly not for a team who want to challenge at the top end. He’s too lightweight, has no heart, doesn’t try hard enough and has a tendency to hide. Bottom team in League 1 but more probably a League 2 team awaits him.

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soonbe110
46 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Clare’s played 38 games for Hearts. I’m not seeing the ‘player’ others seem to see. Personally I don’t think he has what it takes for Scottish football, and certainly not for a team who want to challenge at the top end. He’s too lightweight, has no heart, doesn’t try hard enough and has a tendency to hide. Bottom team in League 1 but more probably a League 2 team awaits him.

We shall see. Not long left for him to prove himself. 

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Hectormasson
2 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone.

 

My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him).

 

Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players.

 

The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact.

About 70% seems about right ?

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Stephane Grappelli
15 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:


Literally just appointed Morecambe manager, no?

 

He's gone to Morecambe? Wise move.

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Nookie Bear
8 minutes ago, Stephane Grappelli said:

 

He's gone to Morecambe? Wise move.


:facepalm:

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Stephane Grappelli
1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said:


:facepalm:

 

Sorry!

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Bridge of Djoum
7 hours ago, Jambo647 said:

As much as it’s a rag, for football stories exclusives etc, they (The Sun) have a far higher success rate than all the other publications... 

They also invent a large number of stories. 

 

Their “exclusives” are generally centered around the “OF”. Same could be said for any West Coast based football media. Arse licking *****. 

 

“Brian Laudrup, how are you so good”

”Mark Hateley buys new suit”

Anton Rogan... “ my chicken supper hell”. 

Edited by Bridge of Djoum

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Pasquale for King
12 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I think there is a distinction between someone like Deila who was a celtic manager and someone like Henrik Larsson, Moyes or Peter Grant who would drop us in a moment if they got the call from Lawell.

As would he if they came a calling.

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jambocub
9 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

You forgot to add we have a lot of really unrealistic and deluded fans too. 

Hearts are a good club there’s no doubt about that but it’s also a very difficult fit for pretty much all our managers. 
 

There's a lot of unrealistic fans at every club

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RobNox
19 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Understands is the media’s buzz word.

 

Dramatic is also up there

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kingantti1874
11 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said:

One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players.

 

Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good.


Spot on, I think Morison, Keena and Irving have talent but they need to do much much more..  a big 6 months for them

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WagonWheel

Based on no real evidence whatsoever mind, I think of Derek Adams in the same mould as Billy Davies, so it’s a firm “No thanks” from me.

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pettigrewsstylist

Dont forget the positives.

1. The draw of Edinburgh especjally for families

2. The opportunity to challenge OF with no real expectation.

3. City rivalry and fans.

 

 

 

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RudiHMFC
57 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:


Spot on, I think Morison, Keena and Irving have talent but they need to do much much more..  a big 6 months for them

 

Irving does but he looks to have had all the early confidence sapped out of him already, Morrison and Keena aren't nearly as good as Billy King or Gavin Reilly, they'd do well to get a game in the championship to be honest.

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Horatio Caine

Derek Adams is a miserable humourless chump.

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merseyjambo

I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. 
 

I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. 
 

Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style.

 

As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox

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The Real Maroonblood
9 minutes ago, merseyjambo said:

I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. 
 

I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. 
 

Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style.

 

As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox

It would be interesting to know what salary Stendal was earning.

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maroonsgotop

we'd be setting the bar really low if this was our calibre of candidate. Also, was led to believe he had a drink issue

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
2 hours ago, Horatio Caine said:

Derek Adams is a miserable humourless chump.

Bible basher, isn't he?

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wavydavy
23 minutes ago, merseyjambo said:

I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. 
 

I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. 
 

Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style.

 

As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox

 

Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played?

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Horatio Caine
15 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Bible basher, isn't he?

Bible bashers are cheerier than that gink.

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Rods

Adams managerial career is on a downward spiral and Morcambe is his current level. HIs agent has leaked this story to the sun to make his client seem relevant. As per usual the Sun has taken the bait.

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said:

Bible bashers are cheerier than that gink.

He is pretty miserable.

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Fort Vallance
1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Bible basher, isn't he?

Your point is ?

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Joey J J Jr Shabadoo
Just now, Fort Vallance said:

Your point is ?

Just an explanation why he might be so utterly miserable and humourless.

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Hearts007
1 hour ago, wavydavy said:

 

Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played?

Left back

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in the dressing room

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wavydavy
6 minutes ago, Hearts007 said:

Left back

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in the dressing room

 

I agree totally.

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Ethan Hunt
9 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played?

In the reserves.

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