Ethan Hunt Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Easy to say in hindsight. Previous two seasons had three months at top of the league, semi-final and a final. I do agree though that the fact she was prepared to give him time will be a plus with any potential managers. your last para is the same when any club changes manager otherwise they wouldn’t be changing. Substitute Arsenal, Man U, et al for Hearts and it’s the same - players that are not good enough. Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone. My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him). Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players. The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: “people I know” ”you seem” yaddah... As I said very upset on his behalf and a bit touchy..I wonder why though you refuse to answer I guess the truth hurts but if you want second class then go for it and make your case I'm happy with mine and I know its the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Icon of Symmetry said: Do you believe everything you read in the press though? Trust me he is right. Poor reputation up here for one of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Trust me he is right. Poor reputation up here for one of their own. Don’t want the guy anywhere near us SG. Just replying in the same tone to someone who got all bent out of shape when I made a comment about Sevco recently. I tend to adopt that stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: 2nd time this week I’ve said this. Anyone reading, buying or quoting that comic is an idiot, as for believing anything they print as regards to football in Scotland... that’s a special kind of lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone. My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him). Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players. The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact. That’s my point re players. We think we have lots that are not good enough but under a different manager?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: Don’t want the guy anywhere near us SG. Just replying in the same tone to someone who got all bent out of shape when I made a comment about Sevco recently. I tend to adopt that stance. Righto!! Have it on good authority boys a strange one. Nobody has a bad word about his old man funnily enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: That’s my point re players. We think we have lots that are not good enough but under a different manager?? One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players. Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players. Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good. Hard to disagree though I think there’s a player in Clare and at one time Wighton had a lot of potential so diff management might change them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Hard to disagree though I think there’s a player in Clare and at one time Wighton had a lot of potential so diff management might change them around. Clare’s played 38 games for Hearts. I’m not seeing the ‘player’ others seem to see. Personally I don’t think he has what it takes for Scottish football, and certainly not for a team who want to challenge at the top end. He’s too lightweight, has no heart, doesn’t try hard enough and has a tendency to hide. Bottom team in League 1 but more probably a League 2 team awaits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: Clare’s played 38 games for Hearts. I’m not seeing the ‘player’ others seem to see. Personally I don’t think he has what it takes for Scottish football, and certainly not for a team who want to challenge at the top end. He’s too lightweight, has no heart, doesn’t try hard enough and has a tendency to hide. Bottom team in League 1 but more probably a League 2 team awaits him. We shall see. Not long left for him to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: Levein’s management has been done to death, suffice to say I’m glad he’s gone. My last paragraph isn’t the same for any club changing manager. Some clubs are performing well when their manager leaves - Nathan Jones at Luton for example - and in fact it was such good performances that got the manager the job at the new club (albeit it didn’t work out for him). Other managers - Daniel Stendel at Barnsley - did - by the Barnsley chairman’s own admission - get the same group of players he took over playing at a higher level. He got them promoted then they sold their best players. The point I am making about our squad is the number of players that are not good enough. Too many in fact. About 70% seems about right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 15 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: Literally just appointed Morecambe manager, no? He's gone to Morecambe? Wise move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stephane Grappelli said: He's gone to Morecambe? Wise move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said: Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jambo647 said: As much as it’s a rag, for football stories exclusives etc, they (The Sun) have a far higher success rate than all the other publications... They also invent a large number of stories. Their “exclusives” are generally centered around the “OF”. Same could be said for any West Coast based football media. Arse licking *****. “Brian Laudrup, how are you so good” ”Mark Hateley buys new suit” Anton Rogan... “ my chicken supper hell”. Edited November 9, 2019 by Bridge of Djoum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: I think there is a distinction between someone like Deila who was a celtic manager and someone like Henrik Larsson, Moyes or Peter Grant who would drop us in a moment if they got the call from Lawell. As would he if they came a calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocub Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, jack D and coke said: You forgot to add we have a lot of really unrealistic and deluded fans too. Hearts are a good club there’s no doubt about that but it’s also a very difficult fit for pretty much all our managers. There's a lot of unrealistic fans at every club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 19 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Understands is the media’s buzz word. Dramatic is also up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 11 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: One or two maybe. McLean, Bozanic, Wighton, Brandon, Doyle, Zlamal, Mulraney and Clare, nope, not for me. If I was really being harsh Dikamona (albeit I like his effort and desire) White and Garuccio are not up to it either. That’s 11 players. Sadly there are few youngsters from the current crop who are anywhere near what need as well. Cochrane and McDonald, under a new manager could come on leaps and bounds. Hickey will continue to progress. The rest, I’m not seeing enough from them to merit being anywhere near a Hearts first team. IMO Keena, Irving, Morrison, etc, are only making first team squads due to injuries and the number of poor first team players in the squad, not because they are particularly good. Spot on, I think Morison, Keena and Irving have talent but they need to do much much more.. a big 6 months for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WagonWheel Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Based on no real evidence whatsoever mind, I think of Derek Adams in the same mould as Billy Davies, so it’s a firm “No thanks” from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Dont forget the positives. 1. The draw of Edinburgh especjally for families 2. The opportunity to challenge OF with no real expectation. 3. City rivalry and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Spot on, I think Morison, Keena and Irving have talent but they need to do much much more.. a big 6 months for them Irving does but he looks to have had all the early confidence sapped out of him already, Morrison and Keena aren't nearly as good as Billy King or Gavin Reilly, they'd do well to get a game in the championship to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Derek Adams is a miserable humourless chump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseyjambo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style. As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, merseyjambo said: I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style. As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox It would be interesting to know what salary Stendal was earning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 we'd be setting the bar really low if this was our calibre of candidate. Also, was led to believe he had a drink issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Horatio Caine said: Derek Adams is a miserable humourless chump. Bible basher, isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, merseyjambo said: I do think that there are some of the names being mentioned who are unrealistic. The problem we are seeing now is the OF doing well in Europe, increasing the co-efficient and putting both them in with a chance of CL qualifying and the money that goes with it. I do think there are some realistic options that have been quoted such as Jones or Stendal. Derek Adams may have the experience but I believe we need a modern thinking manager who can change our style. As far as playing staff are concerned I believe that with the right manager someone like Clare played in the right position would flourish. There is though a lot of dead wood needs clearing out starting with Daly & Fox Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Bible basher, isn't he? Bible bashers are cheerier than that gink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Adams managerial career is on a downward spiral and Morcambe is his current level. HIs agent has leaked this story to the sun to make his client seem relevant. As per usual the Sun has taken the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said: Bible bashers are cheerier than that gink. He is pretty miserable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: Bible basher, isn't he? Your point is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Just now, Fort Vallance said: Your point is ? Just an explanation why he might be so utterly miserable and humourless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played? Left back in the dressing room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hearts007 said: Left back in the dressing room I agree totally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, wavydavy said: Has Clare not been played in just about every forward position and so far has failed. Where do you think he should be played? In the reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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