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5 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

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Some of the countries at the top of that table have 50% income tax rates.

 

Half of everything you will ever earn goes straight to the government. Except for rich politicians who dodge paying tax.

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12 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

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Because of all the money we send to the EU funds every pensioner in EU, and every infrastructure project and so on and so on...

 

No UK money to EU, every country falls apart.......

 

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54 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Fantastic.

 

Question:

 

Why does the UK have the worst pension in Europe?

Answer:  I don’t know you? 

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50 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Worse pension than Mexico but folk STILL vote Tory :facepalm:

Hang on, it was a labour government who extended the retirement date and did nothing to improve pensions when in power?

 

and Tories introduced the triple lock not labour?  So on the topic of pensions why would anyone vote labour? 

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5 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Hang on, it was a labour government who extended the retirement date and did nothing to improve pensions when in power?

 

and Tories introduced the triple lock not labour?  So on the topic of pensions why would anyone vote labour? 

Yeah, theyre like the old firm, two cheeks of the same arse!

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12 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Yeah, theyre like the old firm, two cheeks of the same arse!

Haha, that’s a good comparison! 

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42 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Some of the countries at the top of that table have 50% income tax rates.

 

Half of everything you will ever earn goes straight to the government. Except for rich politicians who dodge paying tax.

 

Indeed, remember seeing a report on the news a good 2 or 3 years ago now, where they compared an ordinary young couple with two young children, with similar jobs, one couple in the UK & the other in Denmark.

 

Denmark was light years ahead of the UK in terms of public services, infrastructure, social care, child care, pensions etc etc etc, however they paid close on 50% income tax and by the time the couple had paid their rent, food, transport etc, they had very little disposable cash left, compare that to their UK counterparts who had lots of disposable cash left, but had shit public services blah blah blah.

 

The UK could have brilliant pensions, services & a fantastically funded NHS etc etc, but I'm not sure how the public would react if the government of the day announced that income tax was going to double in the next tax year, joe public would I suspect, probably go fecking mental.

 

Simple fact is, we can't have it all ways, if we want better pensions, services, NHS then we may need to start paying more for those services.

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7 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Indeed, remember seeing a report on the news a good 2 or 3 years ago now, where they compared an ordinary young couple with two young children, with similar jobs, one couple in the UK & the other in Denmark.

 

Denmark was light years ahead of the UK in terms of public services, infrastructure, social care, child care, pensions etc etc etc, however they paid close on 50% income tax and by the time the couple had paid their rent, food, transport etc, they had very little disposable cash left, compare that to their UK counterparts who had lots of disposable cash left, but had shit public services blah blah blah.

 

The UK could have brilliant pensions, services & a fantastically funded NHS etc etc, but I'm not sure how the public would react if the government of the day announced that income tax was going to double in the next tax year, joe public would I suspect, probably go fecking mental.

 

Simple fact is, we can't have it all ways, if we want better pensions, services, NHS then we may need to start paying more for those services.

Simple fact is that the £Billions that go uncollected from corporations and extremely wealthy individuals every year could make a sizeable dent in pensions & the NHS etc. Not to mention if we stop spending Billions on shite like HS2 and Nuclear WMD's.

Every little helps eh?

 

EDIT: The nordic countries with the higher tax rate always seem to come out on polls as the happiest places on earth...go figure!

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Can't believe that working class folk still go out and vote Tory. Even the middle classes are feeling the brunt of this Tory government.

 

The Tory attacks on the welfare system that helps those in genuine need , not the scroungers the Tories would have us believe, that make up a very small %., is nothing short of inhumane.  

 

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed that over 21,000 sick and disabled people died waiting for it to give them benefits. That’s nearly 12 people a day dying, waiting for a decision over their claims.

 

  • 4,760 claimants died between the DWP referring their case to, and it returning from, an assessment provider.
  • 73,800 claimants died within 6 months of registering their claim.
  • 17,070 claimants died after registering but prior to the DWP making a decision on their claim.

Please vote when the time comes.

 

Vote these cold blooded reptiles out of number 10.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Fantastic.

 

Question:

 

Why does the UK have the worst pension in Europe?

Waste of time, its all about him. 

Typical Tories, its  all about me,me me in the end. 

 

Nasty Corbyn is going to steal all their wealth  you know..

 

 

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4 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Can't believe that working class folk still go out and vote Tory. Even the middle classes are feeling the brunt of this Tory government.

 

The Tory attacks on the welfare system that helps those in genuine need , not the scroungers the Tories would have us believe, that make up a very small %., is nothing short of inhumane.  

 

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed that over 21,000 sick and disabled people died waiting for it to give them benefits. That’s nearly 12 people a day dying, waiting for a decision over their claims.

 

  • 4,760 claimants died between the DWP referring their case to, and it returning from, an assessment provider.
  • 73,800 claimants died within 6 months of registering their claim.
  • 17,070 claimants died after registering but prior to the DWP making a decision on their claim.

Please vote when the time comes.

 

Vote these cold blooded reptiles out of number 10.

 

 

 

Horrific figures there then they slag Scotlands Drug problem (which is a problem) like its a re-run of the holocaust.

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4 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Horrific figures there then they slag Scotlands Drug problem (which is a problem) like its a re-run of the holocaust.

Yip spot on.

 

I see the Tories are up to their old tricks, using public funds to spear their election campaign.No shame at  all, its not the first time they have been caught with their overfed  snouts in the public trough .

 

BE VIGILANT PEOPLE.....GET REPORTING!!!

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

Can't believe that working class folk still go out and vote Tory. Even the middle classes are feeling the brunt of this Tory government.

 

The Tory attacks on the welfare system that helps those in genuine need , not the scroungers the Tories would have us believe, that make up a very small %., is nothing short of inhumane.  

 

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed that over 21,000 sick and disabled people died waiting for it to give them benefits. That’s nearly 12 people a day dying, waiting for a decision over their claims.

 

  • 4,760 claimants died between the DWP referring their case to, and it returning from, an assessment provider.
  • 73,800 claimants died within 6 months of registering their claim.
  • 17,070 claimants died after registering but prior to the DWP making a decision on their claim.

Please vote when the time comes.

 

Vote these cold blooded reptiles out of number 10.

 

 

 

 

Tories might not be wholly responsible but there had been 40 times the number of food bank parcels issued and 165% increase in homelessness in England since 2010.

 

The sort of things most people not affected don't care about. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Simple fact is that the £Billions that go uncollected from corporations and extremely wealthy individuals every year could make a sizeable dent in pensions & the NHS etc. Not to mention if we stop spending Billions on shite like HS2 and Nuclear WMD's.

Every little helps eh?

 

EDIT: The nordic countries with the higher tax rate always seem to come out on polls as the happiest places on earth...go figure!

 

Seems that successive governments could have always done more to collect all of the tax due, not a new problem by any means, and not exclusive to the UK either, quite a widespread problem.

HS2 should go, no disputes there, nuclear weapons, I'm undecided about them to be honest with you.

You'd be happy as well if we had great and properly funded public services etc etc, I know I would be, the trick is how you pay for them.

 

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1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Seems that successive governments could have always done more to collect all of the tax due, not a new problem by any means, and not exclusive to the UK either, quite a widespread problem.

HS2 should go, no disputes there, nuclear weapons, I'm undecided about them to be honest with you.

You'd be happy as well if we had great and properly funded public services etc etc, I know I would be, the trick is how you pay for them.

 

You pay for what we need and cut out the rest. Like running your home finances, pay the mortgage, council tax, Electricity bill & food etc. and get rid of the 3 horses being stabled up the road and the 60 foot yacht in the south of France!

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1 hour ago, maroonlegions said:

Yip spot on.

 

I see the Tories are up to their old tricks, using public funds to spear their election campaign.No shame at  all, its not the first time they have been caught with their overfed  snouts in the public trough .

 

BE VIGILANT PEOPLE.....GET REPORTING!!!

 

 

 

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“Up to” 😂

 

How should we spend your 50p Lincoln?

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2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Yip spot on.

 

I see the Tories are up to their old tricks, using public funds to spear their election campaign.No shame at  all, its not the first time they have been caught with their overfed  snouts in the public trough .

 

BE VIGILANT PEOPLE.....GET REPORTING!!!

 

 

 

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Report them for what? Do they contain pornography or hate speech? In what way do they violate Facebook's advertising rules?

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24 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Report them for what? Do they contain pornography or hate speech? In what way do they violate Facebook's advertising rules?

 

Using Government money (from taxes) for political advertising. 

 

Campaign party political election funding should be separate.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50263197

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6 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Gnasher looking for Indyref2 no matter who wins election 

still NAW hen 

 

:cornette_dog:

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1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Unethical? Yes

Illegal? No

& therein lies the party of tories...

 

Ethically bankrupt since the early 70’s. 

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1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

& therein lies the party of tories...

 

Ethically bankrupt since the early 70’s. 

 

Would that have been the 1870's  👍

 

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12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Would that have been the 1870's  👍

 

Probably. Been shitehawks all their days right enough. 

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Shanks said no

Tory councillor Callum Laidlaw has been chosen as the Tories’ candidate to challenge the SNP’s Joanna Cherry in Edinburgh’s most marginal seat.

He will seek to overturn the 1097 majority which Ms Cherry won in Edinburgh South West in 2017.

Fellow Tory councillor Susan Webber, who represents Pentland Hills ward, had been tipped for the task. But after a curtailed selection procedure, understood to involve a ring-round of key party members in the constituency, Cllr Laidlaw was named as the candidate.

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People quitting politics because the general public are mental. Sad state of affairs.

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

People quitting politics because the general public are mental. Sad state of affairs.

 

Tbh I don't think there is anything really new in this, MP's have quit running again for a multitude of reasons over the years including the personal abuse they receive, only real difference nowadays is the amount of abuse, which is a direct result of the keyboard warriors on the internet & social media, whereas in bygone times it was good old fashioned pen & paper, with either a note or a letter dropping through the letter box or tied to a stone and thrown through the window of their office.

 

Even the type of abuse hasn't really changed, people still got death, rape & abduction threats 100 years ago, all that's different today is the delivery method and the sheer volume of the threats, which is directly linked to the ease of the delivery method.

 

Fortunately the number of people who actually carry out their threats is still very very low, and it's always has been that way, however in every time & era there has always been one or two nutters who will carry the threat out.

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It is true that every General Election features several MPs standings down for various reasons, this time we're seeing 59 (and still counting) MP's quitting and many of them are citing physical threats or party extremism as the reason.

 

 

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The record is, I believe 143 MP's standing down, that was before the 2010 election.

 

The current number of 59 (and counting) is currently the second lowest since 1992.

The average looks to be around about 80+, according to this graph.

 

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Food for thought.

 

 

While the right wing Tory media smear attacks on Corbyn were in full swing and surface from time to time supported by the BBC , it seems the Tories have taken the eye of the ball in regards to their own backyard. No one is squeaky clean.

 

 

 

 

 

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First actual real effect of the election campaign could be the end of fracking.

 

With Labour against it and maybe Conservative polling.

 

Government has suspended it in England.

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1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

First actual real effect of the election campaign could be the end of fracking.

 

With Labour against it and maybe Conservative polling.

 

Government has suspended it in England.

 

Have heard one or two people mention on TV that it's nothing more than an election stunt, however they completely ignored the fact that fracking has been suspended for over two months now, since the end of August it's been stopped, so I'm not sure how that circle gets squared for it to be labelled an election stunt.

 

In saying that the government could & probably have just used this new report by the Oil and Gas Authority as an excuse to pull the plug at this time, however it doesn't escape the fact that fracking had already been suspended months previously and this report would have taken many many months if not years to compile & produce, and let's not forget, who thought or knew we were going to have a GE in December for all this to be nothing more than an election stunt, nah I'm no buying it.

 

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Parties with MPs standing down

 

Speaker (1)

Conservative (25)

Labour (21)

Lib Dem (3)

Independent (4)

Tory Exiles (5)

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On 01/11/2019 at 14:33, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Indeed, remember seeing a report on the news a good 2 or 3 years ago now, where they compared an ordinary young couple with two young children, with similar jobs, one couple in the UK & the other in Denmark.

 

Denmark was light years ahead of the UK in terms of public services, infrastructure, social care, child care, pensions etc etc etc, however they paid close on 50% income tax and by the time the couple had paid their rent, food, transport etc, they had very little disposable cash left, compare that to their UK counterparts who had lots of disposable cash left, but had shit public services blah blah blah.

 

The UK could have brilliant pensions, services & a fantastically funded NHS etc etc, but I'm not sure how the public would react if the government of the day announced that income tax was going to double in the next tax year, joe public would I suspect, probably go fecking mental.

 

Simple fact is, we can't have it all ways, if we want better pensions, services, NHS then we may need to start paying more for those services.

 

Thats really interesting what you say about the 50% income tax in Denmark, l bet they don't pay the unfair council tax (why should people pay a tax based on the size of their house, doesn't make sense to me?) and l wonder what their VAT rate and if they pay NI? Theres  lots of ways the U.K. Government raise money. I agree if you want decent public services then you have to pay for it. The rich are quite adept at avoiding paying taxes but the Tories would rather hammer the poor as its easier for them to do that.

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11 minutes ago, will-i-am-a-jambo said:

 

Thats really interesting what you say about the 50% income tax in Denmark, l bet they don't pay the unfair council tax (why should people pay a tax based on the size of their house, doesn't make sense to me?) and l wonder what their VAT rate and if they pay NI? Theres  lots of ways the U.K. Government raise money. I agree if you want decent public services then you have to pay for it. The rich are quite adept at avoiding paying taxes but the Tories would rather hammer the poor as its easier for them to do that.

 

VAT rate is 25% in Denmark.

Probably no NI as I'd think that will be incorporated in their now 55.8% personal income tax rate, with the highest rate at 65.9%.

https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/sales-tax-rate

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1 minute ago, will-i-am-a-jambo said:

 

Cheers, surprisingly high VAT. 

 

It is.

 

In your previous post you mention the council tax & how unfair it is.

Were you around during the Poll Tax?

Now that was an unfair tax, where someone earning 100K paid the same as someone earning 10K, now that tax hit the poorest the hardest.

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1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

It is.

 

In your previous post you mention the council tax & how unfair it is.

Were you around during the Poll Tax?

Now that was an unfair tax, where someone earning 100K paid the same as someone earning 10K, now that tax hit the poorest the hardest.

 

No was too young for the Poll Tax but l remember my parents talking about how unfair it was and l know the damage it caused and the riots people went to because of the unfairness of it all.

 

In my mind we should adopt a Scandinavian approach as it looks to me like the majority of tax is based on a persons income rather than on factors which bear no resemblance to this. An income-based system seems to me a much fairer system although l concede it may not be as simple as that.

 

The council tax although not as bad as the poll tax seems to me unfair. My parents used to live in a 4-bed house but paid one band below Buckingham Palace, how ridiculous is that! Most of the bands are based on 1990s house prices if lm not mistaken? How is that relevant to today? That's not a pop at you just the system.

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7 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

and the SNP want to be like Norway - feckin clueless - tax us to death

 

We told you No

Why don’t you listen

 

So what do you suggest? If you want decent public services you need to pay for them somehow. This isn't a pop at you but some people want low taxes AND decent public services, you can't have it both ways.

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4 minutes ago, will-i-am-a-jambo said:

 

No was too young for the Poll Tax but l remember my parents talking about how unfair it was and l know the damage it caused and the riots people went to because of the unfairness of it all.

 

In my mind we should adopt a Scandinavian approach as it looks to me like the majority of tax is based on a persons income rather than on factors which bear no resemblance to this. An income-based system seems to me a much fairer system although l concede it may not be as simple as that.

 

The council tax although not as bad as the poll tax seems to me unfair. My parents used to live in a 4-bed house but paid one band below Buckingham Palace, how ridiculous is that! Most of the bands are based on 1990s house prices if lm not mistaken? How is that relevant to today? That's not a pop at you just the system.

 

Don't we have this already, as we have different bands of income tax, based upon how much you earn, thereby the more you earn the more you pay in income tax.

 

Poll Tax - I was around during the Poll Tax and trust me it was brutal, as were the enforcement of it when you didn't pay it, but that's a different story for another day.

Council tax isn't perfect by any means but it's way better than the poll tax it replaced.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Don't we have this already, as we have different bands of income tax, based upon how much you earn, thereby the more you earn the more you pay in income tax.

 

Poll Tax - I was around during the Poll Tax and trust me it was brutal, as were the enforcement of it when you didn't pay it, but that's a different story for another day.

Council tax isn't perfect by any means but it's way better than the poll tax it replaced.

 

 

 

 

 

Sort of, I'm not a tax accountant but l think it's something like 10%, then jumps to 22% and then up to 40% but l guess they could scale it better. TBH l don't know what the answer is but l bet your bottom dollar (or should l say pound) that someone won't be happy regardless of the system used.

 

Totally believe you about the Poll Tax, l know Scotland were the guinea pigs for that shambles of a tax system, now l wonder which party introduced that?!

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1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

and the SNP want to be like Norway - feckin clueless - tax us to death

 

We told you No

Why don’t you listen

Norway is loaded. We should and can be. Don't let Westminster waste our cash any more on propping them up!

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Bloody SNP wanting to turn Scotland into some sort of Scandinavian nation with the high quality of life, long life expectancy, superb education, fantastic public services, high gpd per capita and sovereign oil fund that comes with it

 

:seething:

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5 hours ago, Zlatanable said:

 

At some stage the democratic voice of the people of Scotland choosing to remain in the UK, and the UK to leave the EU will be understood. Neither have changed much since the original votes. 

Let's have a Scots only ref and an EU ref which includes EU citizens. 

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The Real Maroonblood
9 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

and the SNP want to be like Norway - feckin clueless - tax us to death

 

We told you No

Why don’t you listen

:cornette_dog:

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9 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

and the SNP want to be like Norway - feckin clueless - tax us to death

 

We told you No

Why don’t you listen

Tax us to death. Something tells me, you'll live forever.

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