Victorian Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: I’ve given up waiting. Anyway enjoy your five years of Tory government democratically elected, I know it hurts you but that’s life in a democracy. I have to suffer the SNP who I never voted for but I live in a democracy and make the best of it any way I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Victorian said: I feel like that too sometimes. However I get out there and make the most of it. No point moping around feeling sorry for yourself. Deep breath onwards and upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Anyone heard from dot Lawson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Anyone heard from dot Lawson? I heard Rachel Riley was trolling him on twitter👺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It will be interesting to see how Johnston goes with trying to keep the voters from the north of England happy that they voted Conservative for the first time. Delivering Brexit won’t be enough, although that seems to have been the reason they defied family traditions to vote Conservative. He doesn’t need the support of the loony right now, so he may decide to try to keep those voters’ loyalty with policies that help them, maybe to the detriment of the south. Similarly, he may try to gain favour in Scotland. The Conservatives got more seats in Scotland than Labour, which 30 years ago , would have been unthinkable. Labour is finished, unless they not only ditch Corbyn, but the 70s ideas that go with him. He seems to have tied them up to his way of thinking, so it doesn’t look good for them, or the prospect of having an effective and probing opposition for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Momentum are now a busted flush. They had everything they wanted this time around. The leader they wanted. The front bench they wanted. The candidates they wanted. The manifesto they wanted. The National Executive Committee members they wanted. And the electorate rejected it. We'll soon see if Labour will align more centrally and attempt to appeal to one nation tories. The LibDems have faded back into obscurity. They had their chance in 2010 and blew it in spectacular fashion. SNP remain as strong as ever, with an almost hard-coded 45% of the popular vote which shows no signs of moving an inch in their support. The Tories now have to actually deliver on all their ludicrous unicorns and rainbows bullshit. Nobody else to blame now they have their majority. After nine years of total contempt for the working people of the nation and total incompetence in almost all aspects of government, I find it hard to believe that they'll suddenly start doing things right. More likely they'll double down on the blame game, find a new target to pick on and shift ever further to the right, convincing the voting public to turn on each other even as their Tory saviours grind them into the dirt. With Boris' impossible trade deal timetable, a WTO no-deal Brexit is still the most likely outcome. And with no WTO court to arbitrate disputes, the UK is at a serious disadvantage and will be forced to accept any terms offered to it. This then gives the Tories the straw man they need to distract the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: I heard Rachel Riley was trolling him on twitter👺 Hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I'm sure if they could, the 200, 000 EU citizens resident in Scotland would have voted SNP. On the plus side, that's 200,000 voted wiped of the Naw side. Only a 100, 000 swing required to win. And with 500, 000 Labour voters looking at Downing Street and 15+ years of Boris and the Tory, well... Tick Tock!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I'm convinced we will never have to endure another UK election. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Dannie Boy said: See the Antifa thugs are fighting the police tonight outside Downing Street. You unfortunately see glimpses of this attitude on here when people vent their spleen at democracy. Antifa are scum. Just another cheek of fundamentalist arse. 10 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Anyone heard from dot Lawson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Dannie Boy said: No it’s not just in my head both these people have history in using the courts to stop Brexit. They will do it again. Watch this space. As I said, in your head. You posted they were trying to stop Brexit, which is just made up. Brexit can't be stopped now unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Interesting headline in the record, seemed almost sympathetic towards Sturgeon. Could this be the turning point when one paper actually realises that being 100% anti SNP alienates half the population. Maybe they now realise the only way labour will ever get power in Scotland is when we become independent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 A reminder for most of you--for me, new info, not that I'm the least bit surprised . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 WhatsApp Video 2019-12-14 at 12.38.31.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Was at the Liquid Rooms last night watching Hipsway. Skin (singer) was introducing a song saying it was written in a dark time for society when someone from the crowd shouted out “**** the tories”! A big cheer went out from the crowd and the singer added “I fully endorse that statement”. Class moment. Felt like a proper society uniting against filth! Proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, XB52 said: As I said, in your head. You posted they were trying to stop Brexit, which is just made up. Brexit can't be stopped now unfortunately Nope. I posted a quote from Ginna Miller. Anyway enjoy the Tory Government for the next five years you deserve it. We all are going to to adapt to whatever Brexit brings. It’s what we do in a democracy. Edited December 14, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) The Tories scared people into giving them a landslide. All the data pointed to a majority but they kept pushing the hung parliament narrative and said it was too close to call. Dominic Cummings is good at this election business. Edited December 14, 2019 by dobmisterdobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: The Tories scared people into giving them a landslide. All the data pointed to a majority but they kept pushing the hung parliament narrative and said it was too close to call. Dominic Cummings is the king of their liars. Re-worded, as unfortunately, that's how you win elections in the post-truth political era. Both statements are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: The Tories scared people into giving them a landslide. All the data pointed to a majority but they kept pushing the hung parliament narrative and said it was too close to call. Dominic Cummings is good at this election business. Very probably (albeit sadly, from my viewpoint), Dob. One consolation though. With a largish majority like that, Boris won't be so beholden to the ERG and perhaps we'll therefore have a closer relationship with the EU post-Brexit than the no-dealers would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: Antifa are scum. Just another cheek of fundamentalist arse. This! A bunch of animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Remember all those people who cared so much about Corbyn's alleged antisemitism? Aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Zlatanable said: Understatement of the century, so far. I guess you could say Lance Armstrong was good at winning Tour De France's as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 23:12, SectionDJambo said: It will be interesting to see how Johnston goes with trying to keep the voters from the north of England happy that they voted Conservative for the first time. Delivering Brexit won’t be enough, although that seems to have been the reason they defied family traditions to vote Conservative. He doesn’t need the support of the loony right now, so he may decide to try to keep those voters’ loyalty with policies that help them, maybe to the detriment of the south. Similarly, he may try to gain favour in Scotland. The Conservatives got more seats in Scotland than Labour, which 30 years ago , would have been unthinkable. Labour is finished, unless they not only ditch Corbyn, but the 70s ideas that go with him. He seems to have tied them up to his way of thinking, so it doesn’t look good for them, or the prospect of having an effective and probing opposition for years to come. It might not be. There has been a survey in the 1st time Tory seats as to why they voted Conservative. Brexit was only at about 17% of the reason. Corbyn and their dislike of him and his marxist gang was about 46% of the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, weehammy said: Perhaps Gina should have considered standing in the election rather than simply chucking her wealth at the political process. That one seat could have potentially made all the difference, right enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 This Is Scottish tory supporters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 They're so comfortable with the lies and the complete lack of consequences for telling them, and it is the electorate's fault. Not surprising considering how brazenly all the Leave campaigners immediately came out and said you didn't actually believe anything we told you the entire time, did you? and all it did was make people cotton onto things like "Leave means Leave" instead of engaging their ****ing brains and demanding better. https://twitter.com/donnyc1975/status/1205942388214190080 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, Justin Z said: https://twitter.com/donnyc1975/status/1205942388214190080 Tbh I don't think it would have made any difference, the simple fact is Labour were unelectable with their current leadership team & outdated idea's which haven't seen a socialist Labour government elected for 43 years. Not sure which thread I said it in, but I said that unless the issues are addressed why nurses are leaving the profession then you won't be able to stop them leaving, and believe me it isn't all about money, nor is it about enhanced career prospects or promotion which I heard one Tory minister say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Tbh I don't think it would have made any difference, the simple fact is Labour were unelectable with their current leadership team & outdated idea's which haven't seen a socialist Labour government elected for 43 years. The centrist party got almost completely wiped off the map and their leader is gone. 3 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Not sure which thread I said it in, but I said that unless the issues are addressed why nurses are leaving the profession then you won't be able to stop them leaving, and believe me it isn't all about money, nor is it about enhanced career prospects or promotion which I heard one Tory minister say. Not all about money? No. It is certainly largely the result of the effects of austerity, however, which is at its core, money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Not all about money? No. It is certainly largely the result of the effects of austerity, however, which is at its core, money. No no you have mis-understood, when I said it's not all about money, I mean wages, that is not one of the main reason's why many are leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: No no you have mis-understood, when I said it's not all about money, I mean wages, that is not one of the main reason's why many are leaving. Ah! Yeah, I did misunderstand, sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Ah! Yeah, I did misunderstand, sorry about that. No worries 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 14/12/2019 at 14:51, redjambo said: Very probably (albeit sadly, from my viewpoint), Dob. One consolation though. With a largish majority like that, Boris won't be so beholden to the ERG and perhaps we'll therefore have a closer relationship with the EU post-Brexit than the no-dealers would like. I hope this might happen. Remember its to their advantage to have a relatively healthy trade agreement with the EU or its tits up for our economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 13/12/2019 at 10:45, cosanostra said: They'll look extremely similar to a lot Scots aged over 50 I'd say. Older people are consistent voters and they were not convinced last time around. I guess they still remember the UK as a positive thing. They won't accept the Euro and we've still no real idea what the alternative currency is. I just don't see the result being any different in a 2nd referendum if they have it soon. People just like a Scottish party at Westminster to look after Scottish interests. There's just too many who shit themselves when asked to take things forward to independence. I think it'll happen eventually when the Boomers and older are gone and Gen X and Millenials make up the bulk of the Scottish electorate. That'll be a while though obviously. Completely agree. As an Independence support I have said we need to wait 20 years or so when that all happens. I also think BJ might agree to a ref on the condition we arent allowed one for another 20 years. Says everything that i have to use words like " agree" and " allowed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 09/11/2019 at 08:15, jambogaza said: I think, if as expected, SNP win in scotland and the tories win down south, we will see further shifts to the yes side. I also think we will see public figures who were previously for NO come out and declare their support for another referendum. In such a situation, the lib dem's position will be unsustainable. Looks like this is indeed happening. Political pressure will continue to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Completely agree. As an Independence support I have said we need to wait 20 years or so when that all happens. I also think BJ might agree to a ref on the condition we arent allowed one for another 20 years. Says everything that i have to use words like " agree" and " allowed" Factor in eu nationals and 16-17 years old. I get the anxiety about timing but for me it is unavoidable now. This needs considered once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, jambogaza said: Factor in eu nationals and 16-17 years old. I get the anxiety about timing but for me it is unavoidable now. This needs considered once more. Yes i can see your point of view too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yes i can see your point of view too. On a personal note, I can't really wait 20 years. I'm gonna get chucked out under Theresa May's immigration rules she set as Home Secretary under Cameron in March if I can't get sponsored for a work permit. Bit shit, the government not wanting a native English speaker with three degrees, two of them postgrad. I mean, it's always possible that with Brexit Boris will change the rules back to how they were under Labour, with a points-based system or whatnot. Or he might throw Scotland a bone and devolve some immigration powers. Could happen, but then again he could also seek to dissolve the devolved assemblies too, who's to say? Whatever sort of anxiety Scots in favour of independence feel at Westminster controlling all the important levers of decisionmaking for their country, that's magnified for me, and is at least a part of why I sympathise with the movement--especially in light of figures like the ones posted in the other thread, that the difference between the tax receipts and the block grant for the past 20 years have amounted to £400 billion taken out of Scotland by Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Yes i can see your point of view too. Throw in the fact scottish labour seem likely to back it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Justin Z said: Whatever sort of anxiety Scots in favour of independence feel at Westminster controlling all the important levers of decisionmaking for their country, that's magnified for me, and is at least a part of why I sympathise with the movement--especially in light of figures like the ones posted in the other thread, that the difference between the tax receipts and the block grant for the past 20 years have amounted to £400 billion taken out of Scotland by Westminster. I was wondering about that...does/did that £400 billion pay for non-devolved stuff? Asking before some unionist does so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boof said: I was wondering about that...does/did that £400 billion pay for non-devolved stuff? Asking before some unionist does so. It does indeed. Some good some bad, the more spent in England the bigger our notional deficit. E.g HS2 and 3 does nothing for us, but cost us a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Boof said: I was wondering about that...does/did that £400 billion pay for non-devolved stuff? Asking before some unionist does so. Tax breaks for the rich Pay rises for the Queen HS2 Crossrail Bribing the DUP Keeping the housing bubble inflated with help-to-buy and housing benefit And many more wastes of money that would have been better spent in Scotland by Scottish authorities, either central or local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Yip the servants of the corporations and multinationals have fooled the masses again, I will eat a vegan sausage roll if Boris and co care about the ordinary hard working dads and mums and hard working young people. Include the NHS and all those that work for here too. We all got fooled again. The billionaires that own the media.. did their job on Corbyn.. "Corporate Elect" "Grand Masters pulling strings" Wet dream of a new world order New feudal blueprints rise We all got fooled again It's an ADD Generation Everyone accepts the re-introduction of slavery -By a corporate elect Tyrant of mine, dominion of our lives Condemned to Solomon's mine We all got fooled again This is the fight back now Free speech put to the test by immoral psychopaths We all got fooled again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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