Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 GPS data on container is available. Reported to have travelled back and forward between Ireland/ UK and Europe in last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 2 people from Warrington who may be N.Irish charged. Manslaughter and trafficking. Edited October 25, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swavkav Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 19:56, Taffin said: It's certainly naivety on my part as until today I hadn't really thought about people being smuggled into the UK via lorry. I assumed that they would all usually be immigrants who had hidden themselves or bribed their way on. It's quite shocking; especially as I know the Grays And the industrial estate quite well as my work has a branch there. I know the whole of Thurrock like the back of my hand, as I live and work here. the lorry was first found 2 minutes from my house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: 2 people from Warrington who may be N.Irish charged. Manslaughter and trafficking. Interesting. Hope these people go away for a very long time. Still remains to be seen if the driver was a willing participant or an ignorant pawn in their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, swavkav said: I know the whole of Thurrock like the back of my hand, as I live and work here. the lorry was first found 2 minutes from my house. It's frightening really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 They've released a text message sent by one of the dead to her mum from inside the container saying her path abroad didn't succeed and she is dying because she cannot breathe, the messages were sent on Tuesday morning and only hours before the container was stopped. Will be interesting to see why the container was stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Armageddon said: They've released a text message sent by one of the dead to her mum from inside the container saying her path abroad didn't succeed and she is dying because she cannot breathe, the messages were sent on Tuesday morning and only hours before the container was stopped. Will be interesting to see why the container was stopped. These people are Vietnamese. 3 families have contacted the BBC. Others have been using social media. The one with the phone paid £30,000. Another has had a refund. Edited October 25, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 This whole situation is as disgusting as it is tragic. What kind of world are we living in, where people think it’s ok to take advantage of less fortunate souls, who put their trust in them, in exchange for huge sums of money, then pack them into a metal box to smuggle them over borders. If these people, who have been arrested, are found to be guilty of being responsible for those human beings being in that container, they should never enjoy freedom again. The absolute concern is that this will be just one of many operations of this kind. Something has to change, to make it unnecessary for people to be so desperate to try to come here, and elsewhere, in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Armageddon Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: This whole situation is as disgusting as it is tragic. What kind of world are we living in, where people think it’s ok to take advantage of less fortunate souls, who put their trust in them, in exchange for huge sums of money, then pack them into a metal box to smuggle them over borders. If these people, who have been arrested, are found to be guilty of being responsible for those human beings being in that container, they should never enjoy freedom again. The absolute concern is that this will be just one of many operations of this kind. Something has to change, to make it unnecessary for people to be so desperate to try to come here, and elsewhere, in this way. Totally agree, those packing people into sealed containers in the hope they make it so they can continue packing more in should be hung. But then the bigger picture that there are people in situations in countries that are willing to be packed into containers (for large sums of money) is a global scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Vietnamese often given false Chinese papers they are saying. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/25/vietnamese-family-fears-daughter-among-essex-lorry-victims Edited October 25, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 One thing that has been happening here is more effort to find people in 'modern slavery' which has included Vietnamese typically working in nail bars. Loads of work done but the criminals are probably better organised and resourced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 4th arrest 48 year old man from N.Ireland Trafficking and manslaughter Edited October 25, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: 2 people from Warrington who may be N.Irish charged. Manslaughter and trafficking. Thought to be at some point owners of the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 My concern is, how many times has this happened, where the entire occupants of a container have died in the back. I imagine it would be easy for the traffickers to dispose of the bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 driver now charged with 39 counts of manslaughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Lorry driver charged with the manslaughter of 39 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 And a few other charges too. I'm thinking he was a willing participant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Charged. But, but, but some numbskull said he was released on Facebook. Arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 22 hours ago, superjack said: My concern is, how many times has this happened, where the entire occupants of a container have died in the back. I imagine it would be easy for the traffickers to dispose of the bodies. Yup. And is it too much to consider that maybe they want them dead?... no repercussions or grasses.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Homme said: And a few other charges too. I'm thinking he was a willing participant. People trafficking, immigration and money laundering charges. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/26/essex-lorry-deaths-fifth-man-arrested-dublin While there will be others presumably in the origin country and others (say Vietnam and China) this is the UK / Irish operation. When the others were arrested yesterday it was clear he was in the frame. And there have been more arrests or there are about to be. "Justice for the victims". Edited October 26, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Reports from a Vietnamese priest that there were 3 lorries involved with up to 100 people, and nodody knows where the other two wagons ended up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 24/10/2019 at 15:59, I P Knightley said: There's already a #JusticeForMo thing doing the rounds on social media (I caught it on FB, forwarded by a friend who has family ties in the north of Ireland). "Innocent till proving guilty" and "it doesnt take sherlock holmes to work out the boys innocent". Clearly, it can be worked out without completing your education! The justice page won’t be getting many more likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 22:02, theshed said: The justice page won’t be getting many more likes The one who shared the Facebook post has recently withdrawn it. It had the kind of indignant comments you'd expect from Celtic or Rangers supporters if a penalty was ever awarded against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Police after 2 more people from N.Ireland. Involved in lorry business. Edited October 29, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Facebook will tell me what to think and Facebook says he’s pure innocent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Confirmed now that everyone was Vietnamese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Sadly though I'm sure a reassurance for many all the victims have been identified. Named here. Several teenagers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-essex-50350481 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-police-release-names-39-20841370.amp Edited November 8, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50545658 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Demolition Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, chester copperpot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50545658 This can’t be true. From what people have said, this guy wouldn’t harm a fly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Hmm interesting. He's the public face of it all now too - look at his cab, it's minted, I'd guess paid for from years of making this journey! As they say - If you play with feathers your arse will get tickled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Demolition Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Armageddon said: Hmm interesting. He's the public face of it all now too - look at his cab, it's minted, I'd guess paid for from years of making this journey! As they say - If you play with feathers your arse will get tickled. The vehicle wasn’t owned by him but I agree this wouldn’t have been his first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Hampden Demolition said: The vehicle wasn’t owned by him but I agree this wouldn’t have been his first time. From what I've read he owned the cab but not the trailer. I'd actually guess it's more a case of "You'll collect there trailers as and when we say, ok?? And if You've any problems then XYZ will happen" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Hampden Demolition said: This can’t be true. From what people have said, this guy wouldn’t harm a fly... Likely helping the Police put together the whole network. Early guilty plea would suggest that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I hope #justiceforMo involves a long, unpleasant stretch inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 What sort jail term is he likely to face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: What sort jail term is he likely to face? Imo probably about 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Imo probably about 10 years Trying to get myhead round it, assuming he sings like a canary and makes himself the lovely guy who drives the last leg to the land of riches. I stll was thinking 25 years. Manslaughter, he can maybe argue he didnt put them in the trailer, so only guilty of trafficing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Trying to get myhead round it, assuming he sings like a canary and makes himself the lovely guy who drives the last leg to the land of riches. I stll was thinking 25 years. Manslaughter, he can maybe argue he didnt put them in the trailer, so only guilty of trafficing. That's also possible just depends on a lot what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Always looked shifty, too. smug a countenance. Be telling all he knows now, to get a lighter sentence for himself, for only that reason. Absolute s h I t house of a human being, hope his meagre conscience suffers of those 29 dead, he was party to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 It's never ending A load of people in the lorry case were arrested in Vietnam recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Driver pleads guilty to 39 counts of manslaughter... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52214839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 12 hours ago, been here before said: Driver pleads guilty to 39 counts of manslaughter... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52214839 Makes all the twitter #justiceformo posters look like the chumps that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 gang members sentenced today. Ringleader 28 years, UK organiser 20 years, driver 1 who shipped them across the channel 18 years. Irish driver on UK leg 13 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55765213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: 4 gang members sentenced today. Ringleader 28 years, UK organiser 20 years, driver 1 who shipped them across the channel 18 years. Irish driver on UK leg 13 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55765213 Should’ve been life for them all. It can be given for manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Should’ve been life for them all. It can be given for manslaughter. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Judge saying these were deterrent jail terms? How about life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 BBC News - Essex lorry deaths: Marius Draghici jailed for more than 12 years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52206257 What a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Cant get over this was in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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