Walter Burns Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, John Findlay said: That's bollocks. No it's not....go up any Sunday afternoon as I've done for the last 18mths and you'll see for yourself....could let you know their 5 major points when assessing a player it will surprise you where they place skill and technique and it's not in the top 2 points... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Walter Burns said: No it's not....go up any Sunday afternoon as I've done for the last 18mths and you'll see for yourself....could let you know their 5 major points when assessing a player it will surprise you where they place skill and technique and it's not in the top 2 points... I've been up there and seen for myself my son is 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Mackay77 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 21 hours ago, Bauld said: The SYFA is working hard to encourage coaches and teams to train players to take possession of the ball under pressure, have faith in themselves to dribble it more instead of pass, pass pass, hoof. They are trying to bring a more technical aspect to the game but too many coaches aren't following the teachings. Trust me they are trying hard but it's not easy. Too many coaches and teams focus on winning not enough focus on actual development of players. Trying hard ?!? You must be joking. The SYFA coaching qualifications for amateur coaches are a complete joke. You turn up to do the entry level 1.1 as you coach five or six year olds and they spend all day telling you that the drills they are showing you are more appropriate for 9 yr olds. Meanwhile in Iceland you have UEFA A licence coaches coaching kids teams. If you send your kids to a SFA run holiday camp the coaches stand about chatting to each other and staring at their phones and doing hee haw coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Mackay77 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 21/10/2019 at 12:55, Ray Gin said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50124102?ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_linkname=sport&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2DkfHV6Dmz7h1riDDdkGOo1ILCH9hMkR34alcGFhwbBW2pcDWfZi21ktg Former professional footballers are three and a half times more likely to die of dementia than people of the same age range in the general population, according to new research. This is only the beginning of this issue as the players that played in the late 1960s and 1970s get older. I know that there are a number of former Hearts player that played in the 70s who now have a range of dementia related problems. For many these problems started surfacing about 10-15 years ago and have of course steadily worsened. The football authorities not only have to look into the impact of heading the ball but it is a disgrace how they have effectively washed their hands of the problem and offering pretty much no help to these former players and their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) I think there is a strong possibility we will start to see head protection in the future.......not hard hats of course but, more along the lines of those sausage sponge finger type things that some rugby players have. I know the main header point is the front of the sweed but, it often skids off any part of the dome. Edited October 29, 2019 by highlandjambo3 Although I am sure Aid would like the full NFL coupon protection after last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 37 minutes ago, 77Mackay77 said: Trying hard ?!? You must be joking. The SYFA coaching qualifications for amateur coaches are a complete joke. You turn up to do the entry level 1.1 as you coach five or six year olds and they spend all day telling you that the drills they are showing you are more appropriate for 9 yr olds. Meanwhile in Iceland you have UEFA A licence coaches coaching kids teams. If you send your kids to a SFA run holiday camp the coaches stand about chatting to each other and staring at their phones and doing hee haw coaching. I know several former pros coaching kids teams in my area with various levels of UEFA licence as well as some who haven't played at a high level with a C licence or higher. I've also been with several Pro licence coaches watching them do sessions with 8-10yr olds and they were giving them the exact same stuff I had been shown back when I done my 1.1 The methods handed out are not the problem. Are you telling me EVERY kids team in Iceland has UEFA A licence coaches? I somehow doubt that. Every country relies on volunteer coaches, quite often parents, to go and learn the proper way to coach from their governing body and take that into the team they are in charge of. The problem doesn't come from the governing body it comes from coaches either pressing their own personal views onto the team or learning from older coaches who are part of a generation who have seen our game fall lower and lower since the 90s and have failed with their methods. That's not a generalization of those older coaches, some are brilliant but there are plenty who don't get the correct way to raise players for the modern game. This is going off topic in this thread though so I won't be debating it any further here. This thread is important for other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Interesting comments by Robbo. Asking about testing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50254870 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Another https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12226587/gordon-mcqueen-former-manchester-united-leeds-united-and-scotland-defender-diagnosed-with-dementia Edited February 23, 2021 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Horrible disease, stay strong Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 The extent of this problem is not surprising but it is really worrying. Must be really concerning for a lot of ex pros wondering if they’ll be affected too. It’s good that they’re getting serious about research now but it’s come far too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: The extent of this problem is not surprising but it is really worrying. Must be really concerning for a lot of ex pros wondering if they’ll be affected too. It’s good that they’re getting serious about research now but it’s come far too late. It’s always good to know the medical risks of any activity and this one seems obvious. It does lead to questions as to how football, and other sports which include head percussion, adapt going forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) I forgot he played for Man Utd. Then again he probably has aswell. (Sorry - all the best to him) Edited February 23, 2021 by Neil Dongcaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andythejambo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 28/10/2019 at 10:07, Ray Gin said: 3 grams difference between an old wet leather ball and modern footballs. Next to nothing. The 3 grams doesn't take into account the water absorption that the old balls had. That added a significant extra weight. The modern balls are all water repellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 My wife is a dementia care nurse. I wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, andythejambo said: The 3 grams doesn't take into account the water absorption that the old balls had. That added a significant extra weight. The modern balls are all water repellent. According to this the 3 grams difference was after soaking an old ball in water. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4123437.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Stood beside him at a urinal in a God forsaken brick shitehoose at Love Street. Not even that confident there was a urinal. The light bulb had conked, it was a bit dark, and all of us in there were, possibly, just pi55ing against a wall Shortly before a midweek League Cup tie in 1990/91 and McQueen was a co-commentator in the infancy of BSB. 0-1 Hearts. Scott Crabbe got the goal in extra time. Good times. 🤪 Best wishes to the man. Edited February 23, 2021 by martoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I would like to know if dementia is linked to alcohol in anyway. These players of yesteryear were not slow in putting the bevvy away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I was sorry to learn when reading this that Bobby Charlton has also contracted it. Very sad and headguards may well become a requirement in future. That would spoil the game imo. Bit like all the players having to wear face masks. If it has to be though it has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franco2209 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, John Findlay said: I would like to know if dementia is linked to alcohol in anyway. These players of yesteryear were not slow in putting the bevvy away. Korsakoff dementia 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: According to this the 3 grams difference was after soaking an old ball in water. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4123437.stm Heading a modern-day football is not significantly safer than an old-style leather ball... that doesn't make sense to me. The old balls were FAR heavier when wet than anything I saw in the 1970s onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I was brought up heading leather balls. It was the laces that hurt as the balls themselves were quite light and not anywhere as bad as the dreaded Mitre Mould Master. The most painful thing to head was somebody else's head, and it wouldn't surprise me if this is how a lot of the health issues have developed. Football has evolved and is nothing like the game I played very badly. I wouldn't last 5 minutes now playing as I did as every tackle I made would now be deemed dangerous. The game will continue to evolve and I suspect that as time outs for head injuries are introduced at more levels of the game the emphasis will change and heading will naturally phase out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Sad news and thoughts with Gordon and his family. His playing days were before my time but by all accounts he was an absolute lion for Scotland, Leeds United and Man United. I remember him as a pundit on Scotsport back in the day and always found him quite good and generally complementary towards Hearts. The one moment I'll always associate with him though is his celebration of Faddy's goal in Paris while covering the game for Sky Sports. You could see how passionate he still was about his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, NANOJAMBO said: Heading a modern-day football is not significantly safer than an old-style leather ball... that doesn't make sense to me. The old balls were FAR heavier when wet than anything I saw in the 1970s onwards. It’s more about the impact. Okay, one will make more of an impact but even so, it’s still a hefty blow to the brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim747 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 11 hours ago, John Findlay said: I would like to know if dementia is linked to alcohol in anyway. These players of yesteryear were not slow in putting the bevvy away. Very much so.. https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/types-dementia/alcohol-related-dementia#:~:text=Alcohol-related 'dementia' is,much alcohol over many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 34 minutes ago, jim747 said: Very much so.. https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/types-dementia/alcohol-related-dementia#:~:text=Alcohol-related 'dementia' is,much alcohol over many years. So it may not just be down to heading a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four faces Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I've seen several instances in last couple of years where it looks as if younger players are shirking heading the ball.This type of report will create fear in the players coming through.Won't stop many from drinking too much though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Four faces said: I've seen several instances in last couple of years where it looks as if younger players are shirking heading the ball.This type of report will create fear in the players coming through.Won't stop many from drinking too much though. Probably true. We tend to be selective about the risks mitigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four faces Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, davemclaren said: Probably true. We tend to be selective about the risks mitigate. Yeah, doing away with heading won't impact the drinks industry😑. I'm not a purist, there's nothing wrong with enjoying a bevvy (even though i packed it in years ago) but like you say, these reports occasionally seem very specific.In my experience the vast majority of dementia victims i have known of in my life and there are, many have had no connection to impact damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 My dad has the same. Never kicked a ball in anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Another legend - though different condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four faces Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 24/02/2021 at 18:59, Spellczech said: My dad has the same. Never kicked a ball in anger. You have my sympathy.It's a terrible thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faither Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 In the late seventies, my mate and I took the train down to Leeds to watch Leeds v. Spurs in a league game. Spurs had a certain Ardiles and Villa playing. Big McQueen was away from Leeds by then, I think at Man U. On the way back up home on the train, big Joe (Jordan) and big McQueen were on the train. They spotted our Leeds scarves and promptly sat down beside us and talked to us for a good hour or so, before going to their own seats. They were on their way up to join the Scotland squad. Big Gordon McQueen in particular was very talkative and came across as a really genuine decent guy. That header at Wembley just before ht (I was behind the goals) is the finest single experience of my football watching life ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davemclaren Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Real shame. A huge player for Scotland from my childhood and early teens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 The Lawman is one of our greatest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boab said: The Lawman is one of our greatest. A lot of modern players could learn from Law. Won everything and arguably Scotland best player and is such a nice guy. European footballer of the year is some achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Boab said: The Lawman is one of our greatest. The Greatest the only Scot to win the Ballon D’ Or in 1964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, jbee647 said: The Greatest the only Scot to win the Ballon D’ Or in 1964 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasco Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 You should listen to Luis Suarez on that subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 A general enquiry about dementia. Alzheimer's Scotland do a thing called singing for the brain as it helps with the condition. Does that make musicians less prone to getting it? Just wonder if learning some sort of musical instrument might help prevent this in some that are prone to come down with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 To all these media outlets, reporting Denis won the European Cup with Man United(especially you Sky Sports News), no he didn't. Denis never played in the final, he was in hospital injured. Like Jimmy Greaves not playing for England in the 66 Cup final, missing the 68 final is Denis's biggest footballing regret. All the best with this horrible condition Denis, thank you for lots of great footballing memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Auldbenches said: A general enquiry about dementia. Alzheimer's Scotland do a thing called singing for the brain as it helps with the condition. Does that make musicians less prone to getting it? Just wonder if learning some sort of musical instrument might help prevent this in some that are prone to come down with this. It would appear it does, learning another language too, at least according to this study. Only 41 people involved so pretty small, but wouldn't do any harm. Good news for Kyle Lafferty I suppose. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180517123254.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Beni said: It would appear it does, learning another language too, at least according to this study. Only 41 people involved so pretty small, but wouldn't do any harm. Good news for Kyle Lafferty I suppose. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180517123254.htm Those three chords I know on the guitar are coming in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie wallace Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Just showed Dennis Law scoring against England at Hampden In 1966(ouch). I was at the game and remember it well.Typical Law header from a Willie Johnston corner.Bobby Moore standing watching😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, willie wallace said: Just showed Dennis Law scoring against England at Hampden In 1966(ouch). I was at the game and remember it well.Typical Law header from a Willie Johnston corner.Bobby Moore standing watching😊 0.56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Would be interesting to see a series of test games at pro level where ball is not allowed to be headed. If they find a link with modern day players it will become an inevitability in any event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Would be interesting to see a series of test games at pro level where ball is not allowed to be headed. If they find a link with modern day players it will become an inevitability in any event. They’ll be banning boxing next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamstomorrow Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Dementia and football is a fact. I have already forgotten last weeks result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Boab said: The Lawman is one of our greatest. The greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasakijambo Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Done nothing in the 1974 world cup, Ford was the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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