Spoleto Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Don’t like his tinkering, strange selections - not playing best players in best positions.. still I’d take him for HMFC You mean all those things that you accuse CL of doing? Oh dear, the hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: Levein had a considerably better Scotland record than Clarke currently has. This. But the haters don't like facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Spoleto said: This. But the haters don't like facts. Craig Levein had arguably the strongest Scotland squad since 98 but left in-form strikers on the bench in a crucial must win game at Czech Republic, whereas Clarke has the weakest squad I can remember and he doesn’t actually have any worthwhile strikers available for selection, so its comparing apples and oranges really. If a coach of Clarkes pedigree had been in charge of Leveins squad of 2010 Scotland would have qualified for something not a doubt in my mind about that. https://www.worldfootball.net/teams/schottland-team/em-qualifikation-2010-2011/2/ Edited October 11, 2019 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Who was the last Scotland manager who's tenure did not end with a dark stain on his résumé? Deserved or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 He should at very least be able to set out a team to be competitive. Our squad is no worse than most mid-tier nations, in fact arguably it's better as not many countries have players who are first choice for Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Probably very harsh to say he's under pressure, but he's certainly not meeting expectations so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, jb102 said: Who was the last Scotland manager who's tenure did not end with a dark stain on his résumé? Deserved or not. Walter Smith probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Way too early to say. Tough set of games and he hasnt qualified, can you expect wins v Russia and Belgium? I don't think so. Next qualifying group is the time to judge him, when he's had time to bring in ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: There’s absolutely no point in changing the manager. It doesn’t matter who it is, we’re just shit. Clarke’s got nothing to choose from in certain positions. That said, he needs to be brave, clear the decks and start promoting the youngsters. Agree with this. I do think, given how well he seemed to be doing at Kilmarnock, he made a stupid decision in even taking the position in the 1st place. Whether some like it or not Scotland quite simply have a very poor group of players to choose from, and when put together even the better ones look poor rather than providing the impetus for those around them to look a bit better. Robertson at Liverpool and McGinn at Aston Villa are both doing really weel at club level, but even they look nothing more than average in the Scottish national side. It is actually a bit frightening that being as poor as we are there is still the opportunity to actually qualify for this through a back door. These sort of tournaments should be to showcase the best teams, and we are light years away from even being half decent. But if a bigger tournament generates more money for UEFA then it is job done as far as they are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Way too early to say. Tough set of games and he hasnt qualified, can you expect wins v Russia and Belgium? I don't think so. Next qualifying group is the time to judge him, when he's had time to bring in ideas Maybe not expect to win, but we should at least compete against them, instead we've been humped in every game. The Northern Irish by contrast, with what I would argue is a far inferior squad, have run the Dutch and the Germans very close over the same period. Further Clarke was able to turn around Killie very quickly with a poorer squad, why not Scotland? Edited October 11, 2019 by Martin_T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Clarke quickly finding out that International football is a completely different animal to club football, Clark's never had instant success but has over time coached teams into being better than the sum of their parts. International football is more in game tactics than training pitch coaching, how can you coach a team into a way of playing when the squad is different almost everytime and you only have the players for a week at a time? The best nations have a core group of players that have been together for a number of years and have played 30-40 games together as a team with quite a number of them doing so throughout the age groups. They also have a clear progression plan, take a look at Southgate, when someone pulls out of the England squad he invariably promotes someone from the u21 side. When was the last time we had someone pull out of the squad and they were replaced by someone from the u21's? Instead we'll hand caps out to journeymen from the english lower leagues that have a scottish granny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Martin_T said: Maybe not expect to win, but we should at least compete against them, instead we've been humped in every game. The Northern Irish by contrast, with what I would argue is a far inferior squad, have run the Dutch and the Germans very close over the same period. Further Clarke was able to turn around Killie very quickly with a poorer squad, why not Scotland? Northern Ireland are way ahead of us. Years with the results backing up O'Neill's work Maybe with a higher profile of player it's tougher, but I have faith in him. Best person for the job currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Way too early to say. Tough set of games and he hasnt qualified, can you expect wins v Russia and Belgium? I don't think so. Next qualifying group is the time to judge him, when he's had time to bring in ideas The problem is that we just capitulate as soon as we lose a goal. His Kilmarnock team was hard to break down, the Scotland team is so soft. Like at Hearts, players on the pitch need to take responsibility as well. There just seems like a complete lack of passion on the pitch and a sense of inevitability that we are going to lose. We wont lose against San Marino, but I cant see it being a goal fest. Cyprus away is a worry. If we go into the Nations League game on the back of 3 poor games against weaker teams I cant see us getting past the semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Martin_T said: Maybe not expect to win, but we should at least compete against them, instead we've been humped in every game. The Northern Irish by contrast, with what I would argue is a far inferior squad, have run the Dutch and the Germans very close over the same period. Further Clarke was able to turn around Killie very quickly with a poorer squad, why not Scotland? Looking at Northern Ireland’s team I would say 8 out of 11 of them would probably start for Scotland right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, rudi must stay said: Northern Ireland are way ahead of us. Years with the results backing up O'Neill's work Maybe with a higher profile of player it's tougher, but I have faith in him. Best person for the job currently Disagree with the first line. International football is about picking your strongest possible XI and setting them out in a way that they are able to get a result. Northern Ireland have not done anything different structurally to put them in an advantageous position. They have by comparison an inferior squad and are exceeding expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Negative tactics, boring and eyebleeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said: The problem is that we just capitulate as soon as we lose a goal. His Kilmarnock team was hard to break down, the Scotland team is so soft. Like at Hearts, players on the pitch need to take responsibility as well. There just seems like a complete lack of passion on the pitch and a sense of inevitability that we are going to lose. We wont lose against San Marino, but I cant see it being a goal fest. Cyprus away is a worry. If we go into the Nations League game on the back of 3 poor games against weaker teams I cant see us getting past the semi. Top players aren't stepping up, hence why he is giving the likes of the the Dundee United striker a chance. A lack of passion from particularly the Old Firm contingent is something we have suffered from for years. 8 minutes ago, Martin_T said: Disagree with the first line. International football is about picking your strongest possible XI and setting them out in a way that they are able to get a result. Northern Ireland have not done anything different structurally to put them in an advantageous position. They have by comparison an inferior squad and are exceeding expectations. This is true, but they are on a high and will continue to do well. Northern Ireland play in a way I don't think Scotland fans would accept though, 1 up front, counter attack. They play for a draw happily, it is like watching a Craig Levein team at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Craig Levein had arguably the strongest Scotland squad since 98 but left in-form strikers on the bench in a crucial must win game at Czech Republic, whereas Clarke has the weakest squad I can remember and he doesn’t actually have any worthwhile strikers available for selection, so its comparing apples and oranges really. If a coach of Clarkes pedigree had been in charge of Leveins squad of 2010 Scotland would have qualified for something not a doubt in my mind about that. https://www.worldfootball.net/teams/schottland-team/em-qualifikation-2010-2011/2/ Much the same squad as Burley had before him, yet his win percentage is almost double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoleto said: You mean all those things that you accuse CL of doing? Oh dear, the hypocrisy. he got phenomenal results with a far poorer squad than we have. craig levein has failed spectacularly.. “as has Sean Clare 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, portobellojambo1 said: Agree with this. I do think, given how well he seemed to be doing at Kilmarnock, he made a stupid decision in even taking the position in the 1st place. Whether some like it or not Scotland quite simply have a very poor group of players to choose from, and when put together even the better ones look poor rather than providing the impetus for those around them to look a bit better. Robertson at Liverpool and McGinn at Aston Villa are both doing really weel at club level, but even they look nothing more than average in the Scottish national side. It is actually a bit frightening that being as poor as we are there is still the opportunity to actually qualify for this through a back door. These sort of tournaments should be to showcase the best teams, and we are light years away from even being half decent. But if a bigger tournament generates more money for UEFA then it is job done as far as they are concerned. Or judging by his track record as a number 1 his spell at Killie was a fluke? Sometimes the facts are not considered by folk. Clarke appears to be a great number 2 but a dreadful number 1 other than a brief spell at Killie in the backwater that is Scottish football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Swap deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoleto said: This. But the haters don't like facts. you want to talk facts? .. worst start to season since 1974.. worst run in the history of the club .. Kilmarnock have won more games at tynecastle than hearts have, all achieved at time when off the park ..we have never ever been stronger and rarely had a stronger squad ..not a smart move to start talking facts propaganda boy 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Shyte players for Scotland and the group was beyond salvation before he arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Looking at Northern Ireland’s team I would say 8 out of 11 of them would probably start for Scotland right now. Only Jonny Evans would get in the Scotland squad, possibly Michael Smith given our lack of options at right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: you want to talk facts? .. worst start to season since 1974.. worst run in the history of the club .. Kilmarnock have won more games at tynecastle than hearts have, all achieved at time when off the park ..we have never ever been stronger and rarely had a stronger squad ..not a smart move to start talking facts propaganda boy 🤪 Half of our squad is injured, we've definitely been far stronger in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoleto Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: you want to talk facts? .. worst start to season since 1974.. worst run in the history of the club .. Kilmarnock have won more games at tynecastle than hearts have, all achieved at time when off the park ..we have never ever been stronger and rarely had a stronger squad ..not a smart move to start talking facts propaganda boy 🤪 Here's a fact. 8 first choice players out injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Half of our squad is injured, we've definitely been far stronger in the past. worse run than Gary Locke who played Kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Spoleto said: Here's a fact. 8 first choice players out injured. for all of the the past year? Don’t think so!! We both know if we post the lineups we’ve fielded over the past year we have enough NOT to be in the midst of our worst run in history, and we certainly have more than enough to be dealing with shite like east fife, Dundee Utd Ross county, Hamilton, Kilmarnock.. teams who have 1/5th of our wage bill. and it would have helped if he hadn’t signed utter shite like vanecek and Sean flair Edited October 11, 2019 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think that Scotland need two centre halfs, a right back and a centre forward. Not sure why Scotland decided to bin Berra as last nights match would have been perfect for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Sorry to break the bad news to you, but there’s nobody else better than those 2 unless you want to see Berra back in the Scotland side... you’ll not find many jambos advocating I think two scarecrows in Scotland tops would be more efficient than Mulgrew and Hanley..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb102 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Boab said: Walter Smith probably. I thought he pulled the rip cord to go back to der hun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 43 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: I think that Scotland need two centre halfs, a right back and a centre forward. Not sure why Scotland decided to bin Berra as last nights match would have been perfect for him. I would sooner have Dikamona than Berra anywhere near a Scotland shirt on current form! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Spoleto said: Here's a fact. 8 first choice players out injured. Naismith, Walker, Washington, Halkett and Souttar who are the other 3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Clarke played hoofball at Killie - the starry eyes people get because he did it successfully... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighTimes Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, It should have been ten said: Punting Strachan out the job was an absolute joke Only wise thing the SFA have done in decades. If it weren't for Strachan's Levein like refual to admit he was wrong (about Griffiths, who he didn't start until it was almost too late), we'd have been nowhere in qualifying s opposed to almost making it. Utter clown of a manger, buoy d up by a sycophantic media. Plus, he's an asbsolute welt of a human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Mid Calder Jambo said: Scotland have never recovered from that disasterous experiment with Voigts. Does that not have an echo closer to home. Personally, I have never recovered from that night at the Stade de France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Dikamona before Berra yet another Kickback classic 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, EIEIO said: Naismith, Walker, Washington, Halkett and Souttar who are the other 3 ? haring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Martin_T said: He should at very least be able to set out a team to be competitive. Our squad is no worse than most mid-tier nations, in fact arguably it's better as not many countries have players who are first choice for Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Probably very harsh to say he's under pressure, but he's certainly not meeting expectations so far. indeed far from it. Call offs aside there is a good 12/15 players playing at a decent level or solid enough that should be performing far better Marshall Tierney Souttar McKenna Robertson McGinn McGregor Forrest Paterson Fraser McTominay Naismith Griffiths Fletcher Burke McBurnie Should able to take most of those and make something out of it. Missing some should be able to replace them with players who can at least compete then adapt tactics to cover the problem of the missing players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, David McCaig said: You do realise he's 71 and hasn't worked since 2011? Is Walter Smith really our very own @Morgan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonedinbriz Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Der Kaiser said: I think two scarecrows in Scotland tops would be more efficient than Mulgrew and Hanley..... I've watched Scotland's centre half's, Souter, Mckenna and I'll add Halkett. Just not good (strong) enough for international football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henroddy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Guys, do you really think that he is going to be able to turn around the fortunes of the worst Scottish national team in living memory in the space of a few games? Come on. Youre better than that! You cant keep wanting managerial changes every 2 minutes and expect success! Give the guy time. He can do it. Hes by far an away the best Scottish manager out there. Im assuming most of you want a Scottish manager? We are an awful team. He can turn it around given time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I desperately want him to do well but Clarke has done very few good things so far. Would there have been anything lost in throwing Hickey in at RB instead of whatsisname? Why do other teams play teenagers and we don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, HighTimes said: Only wise thing the SFA have done in decades. If it weren't for Strachan's Levein like refual to admit he was wrong (about Griffiths, who he didn't start until it was almost too late), we'd have been nowhere in qualifying s opposed to almost making it. Utter clown of a manger, buoy d up by a sycophantic media. Plus, he's an asbsolute welt of a human being. Aye ok Agree with the last sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 He’s had a real baptism of fire. Four games against probably the best team in the world and Russia. And in the positions Scotland are weakest - centre half and forward - he’s had numerous injuries. He really needs some results and, more importantly, performances in the next three qualifiers because the Nations League games are massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Clarke played percentage football. Solid at the back, defend, capitalise on set pieces and win second balls to gain ground. His football wasn't forward thinking or revolutionary. It was direct and effective. At international level v most teams that isn't enough. Our players, well even compared to countries like Cyprus and such we look technically poor. We have poor centre half's and now have a championship level striker in the squad. It's a ****ing shambles tbh. Clarke deserves more time, but each manager is a sticky plaster and Scottish football is a gaping wound that needs major surgery. The governing body don't have the drive, stomach, motivation or competence to make change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 hours ago, Spoleto said: This. But the haters don't like facts. He had a much better players to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 19 hours ago, Martin_T said: Maybe not expect to win, but we should at least compete against them, instead we've been humped in every game. The Northern Irish by contrast, with what I would argue is a far inferior squad, have run the Dutch and the Germans very close over the same period. Further Clarke was able to turn around Killie very quickly with a poorer squad, why not Scotland? Confidence is shot. 3 easier games to help sort that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 23:10, Getintaethem said: To be fair to Clarke I doubt even Pep or Klopp could do anything with the current Scotland squad. Whole spine of the team is third rate. This is the reality we are simply not very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 14 hours ago, maroonedinbriz said: I've watched Scotland's centre half's, Souter, Mckenna and I'll add Halkett. Just not good (strong) enough for international football. It’s the biggest issue we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 We cant produce strikers that want to play for Scotland badly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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