Back to 2005 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Really, not successful? She taken over a husk of a football club, where we are now compared to then. You are coming across very short sighted and you must also have a short memory. She is far more visionary , intelligent, balanced, competent and successful than the average football fan, so I'll trust her more than your average punter who by nature is more emotional and short sighted. I've been going for 40 years and to be honest I know more about football than she does. This vision? What is it? To remove the soul from the club because that is exactly what's happening. Competent? She forgot to order the seats and arranged for an orchestra to play ruining half the pitch before the start of the season to name 2 examples. Balanced? She is only interested in the corporate fans not those of us that have invested a small fortune for the love of it over the years. Successful? She is a successful business woman. Football is not a business. I might be short sighted but I cant see any evidence of us going forward or even stagnating. But you keep believing mate for whatever your motives are. Edited October 10, 2019 by Back to 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said: I trust she will sack him if/ when the time is right. Not just sacking him because the pitchforks are out. She is more intelligent, has more information, and has more foresight than me so I trust her with the club almost 100%. He has failed against Dr Budge’s own stated standards. Yet she hasn’t pulled the trigger. That does not show intelligence and foresight, it’s just weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said: I've been going for 40 years and to be honest I know more about football than she does. This vision? What is it? To remove the soul from the club because that is exactly what's happening. Competent? She forgot to order the seats and arranged for an orchestra to play ruining half the pitch before the start of the season to name 2 examples. Balanced? She is only interested in the corporate fans not those of us that have invested a small fortune for the love of it over the years. Successful? She is a successful business woman. Football is not a business. I might be short sighted but I cant see any evidence of us going forward or even stagnating. But you keep believing mate for whatever your motives are. If you can't understand the relationship between the business side and the football side in modern day football then your first statement is bull shite. That then, unfortunately for you renders the rest of your post utter nonsense. You even admit to being short sighted just for the banter. As a side note, You also mention the seats, is that the seats in our brilliant new stand, how did that come about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: He has failed against Dr Budge’s own stated standards. Yet she hasn’t pulled the trigger. That does not show intelligence and foresight, it’s just weak. depends, can take a strong leader to stand by someone in adversity. Two sides to that coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: depends, can take a strong leader to stand by someone in adversity. Two sides to that coin. Not really. If a leader cannot adapt his/her plans when something in the business is going wrong they are weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: If you can't understand the relationship between the business side and the football side in modern day football then your first statement is bull shite. That then, unfortunately for you renders the rest of your post utter nonsense. You even admit to being short sighted just for the banter. As a side note, You also mention the seats, is that the seats in our brilliant new stand, how did that come about? No doubt about it.....it will be the best stand in the championship! Incidentally relegation would not make good business sense. Posting nonsense you say. Well if anybody would know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: Not really. If a leader cannot adapt his/her plans when something in the business is going wrong they are weak. can be both ways. Flexibility is admirable, as is sticking by the your plans to see them through even in terms of adversity. Adapting is also only good if it works better than the original plan. Time will tell ofc on all fronts tbh, I agree, it's not looking good atm. But on point, stopping cash getting to the club and not supporting the club on match day is not my game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Biguche said: It must take you years to get through a book! I just watch the film 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Back to 2005 said: I've been going for 40 years and to be honest I know more about football than she does. This vision? What is it? To remove the soul from the club because that is exactly what's happening. Competent? She forgot to order the seats and arranged for an orchestra to play ruining half the pitch before the start of the season to name 2 examples. Balanced? She is only interested in the corporate fans not those of us that have invested a small fortune for the love of it over the years. Successful? She is a successful business woman. Football is not a business. I might be short sighted but I cant see any evidence of us going forward or even stagnating. But you keep believing mate for whatever your motives are. Well put 👍👍👍🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official_AB Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 https://www.facebook.com/events/726869801057614/?ti=icl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Official_AB said: https://www.facebook.com/events/726869801057614/?ti=icl That banner at the top suggests it is to be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back to 2005 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, jambali said: That banner at the top suggests it is to be avoided. Defintely. Bound to be working class types there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Now what match is it we've to boycott? Scotland's rugby match or a Hearts match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbofan99 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said: Defintely. Bound to be working class types there! half those who say they will attend we won’t ! Still be in bed from the bevvy or coke judging by the look of the ******s attending it . I note loads of Casuals and a few well know lads now barred from Tynie . Lovely bunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Official_AB said: https://www.facebook.com/events/726869801057614/?ti=icl "haters gonna hate" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 15:15, Smith's right boot said: If you can't understand the relationship between the business side and the football side in modern day football then your first statement is bull shite. That then, unfortunately for you renders the rest of your post utter nonsense. You even admit to being short sighted just for the banter. As a side note, You also mention the seats, is that the seats in our brilliant new empty stand, how did that come about? Ftfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fila Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Its already started , and once we are pumped by Rangers and then out of the cup, the momentum will pick up. For the record, I hope we beat ranagers and are progress to the final , but just cannot see it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 How about. 1. Craigs moving back upstairs. 2. We are actively recruiting as we dont believe the solution exists in house currently. 3. CL will remain at helm till new person sourced. This may include waiting for right person if nescessary. Job done right? Currently.......treated like mushrooms. She truly believes in his methods and judgment. Ann Budge is not weak, just mistaken. If she had been weak CL would have gone by now. I was prepared to run with it 3 yrs ago. I no longer believe CL be the person in charge of first team affairs at the club. I have serious concerns over his mgmt style affecting his ability to motivate and communicate, the misleading and arrogant trolling of the support is detracting from his long regarded reputation at this club. Sad days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 14:12, Leveins Battalion said: You do get that every fan in here having a go at Budge is because of her unwavering loyalty to Levein yeah?Not her vision or ability to build a successful PLC. Budge has made mistakes, she admits that, but her biggest mistake is ignoring the Hearts support. When the fans have voiced and demonstrated their opinions on Levein and his Boot Room they have been not only ignored but disrespected. The harm Levein & co. are doing to the team Hearts fans support will not be tolerated anymore enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mitch41 said: Budge has made mistakes, she admits that, but her biggest mistake is ignoring the Hearts support. When the fans have voiced and demonstrated their opinions on Levein and his Boot Room they have been not only ignored but disrespected. The harm Levein & co. are doing to the team Hearts fans support will not be tolerated anymore enough is enough. Correct Mitch the support will always win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mitch41 said: Budge has made mistakes, she admits that, but her biggest mistake is ignoring the Hearts support. When the fans have voiced and demonstrated their opinions on Levein and his Boot Room they have been not only ignored but disrespected. The harm Levein & co. are doing to the team Hearts fans support will not be tolerated anymore enough is enough. Disrespected what rubbish is this Just because she holds a different point of view and has a backbone unlike some on here you think you have been disrespected !! Boo Hoo she won't do what I want, I'm being disrespected ,it's not fair, I'm going in the huff blah blah blah Have a word with yourself and stop being so overdramatic She is giving him every chance and wants to see what will happen when we get near a first choice 11...even with a few back shortly that won't happen until mid December at least but she won't wait that long if there are no signs of improvment with some of the injured players back in the next couple of weeks This club is in a semi final of one of the two major cup competitions under the same 'poor management' ..knocking out the sides currently 3rd and 4th in the table or have you forgotten that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Disrespected what rubbish is this Just because she holds a different point of view and has a backbone unlike some on here you think you have been disrespected !! Boo Hoo she won't do what I want, I'm being disrespected ,it's not fair, I'm going in the huff blah blah blah Have a word with yourself and stop being so overdramatic She is giving him every chance and wants to see what will happen when we get near a first choice 11...even with a few back shortly that won't happen until mid December at least but she won't wait that long if there are no signs of improvment with some of the injured players back in the next couple of weeks This club is in a semi final of one of the two major cup competitions under the same 'poor management' ..knocking out the sides currently 3rd and 4th in the table or have you forgotten that Your second last paragraph. How do you know how long she will wait? For all you know she may have no intention of getting rid of CL. irrespective of results or injuries, Edited October 13, 2019 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Your second last paragraph. How do you know how long she will wait? For all you know she may have no intention of getting rid of CL. irrespective of results or injuries, I think she is waiting on Levein doing the right thing and resigning. That is the only way he will go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Gambo said: I think she is waiting on Levein doing the right thing and resigning. That is the only way he will go. Few people in football resign though. They wait for a pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Few people in football resign though. They wait for a pay off. When is his contract up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Gambo said: When is his contract up? End of the season I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Gambo said: I think she is waiting on Levein doing the right thing and resigning. That is the only way he will go. i was at Hampden for a Scotland game late in his reign and he was booed by the tartan army every time his face was in the big screen. Didn’t resign after that and even when he was sacked did he not try to sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Newton51 said: i was at Hampden for a Scotland game late in his reign and he was booed by the tartan army every time his face was in the big screen. Didn’t resign after that and even when he was sacked did he not try to sue Anyone would if they felt their contract wasn’t being honoured, sufficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 17 hours ago, CJGJ said: Disrespected what rubbish is this Just because she holds a different point of view and has a backbone unlike some on here you think you have been disrespected !! Boo Hoo she won't do what I want, I'm being disrespected ,it's not fair, I'm going in the huff blah blah blah Have a word with yourself and stop being so overdramatic She is giving him every chance and wants to see what will happen when we get near a first choice 11...even with a few back shortly that won't happen until mid December at least but she won't wait that long if there are no signs of improvment with some of the injured players back in the next couple of weeks This club is in a semi final of one of the two major cup competitions under the same 'poor management' ..knocking out the sides currently 3rd and 4th in the table or have you forgotten that How many chances does Levein get. Is he Ann’s golden boy who can do no wrong. Levein didn’t want the job (his words) and only agreed to take the job when his big pal Jon Daly was overlooked because of a lack of experience. Levein should never of been made manager, he also should never of kept the job of DOF. You will never understand what a good manager does with a team. You are in love with a man who is out of his depth and ever since he got the job has come out with excuse after excuse and is always blameless yet too many decisions he’s made would get him the sack in every league in the world. He has a squad of players he signed or kept and he’s never been toiling to field a team like Locky had to go through when we couldn’t sign players because of administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, mitch41 said: How many chances does Levein get. Is he Ann’s golden boy who can do no wrong. Levein didn’t want the job (his words) and only agreed to take the job when his big pal Jon Daly was overlooked because of a lack of experience. Levein should never of been made manager, he also should never of kept the job of DOF. You will never understand what a good manager does with a team. You are in love with a man who is out of his depth and ever since he got the job has come out with excuse after excuse and is always blameless yet too many decisions he’s made would get him the sack in every league in the world. He has a squad of players he signed or kept and he’s never been toiling to field a team like Locky had to go through when we couldn’t sign players because of administration. 😀😀😀😀😭😭😭😭😀😀😀😀😀🤡🤡🤡🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 hours ago, GinRummy said: Few people in football resign though. They wait for a pay off. It is the way that football related contracts are written. For managers/head coaches "gardening leave" is common. Levein is not a man who will resign of his own fruition. The board would have to remove him but solely from his position as Head Coach, his position as DoF is ring-fenced while Ann Budge remains in charge. Different once FoH take over, although by that time Hearts could be back in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_steve Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Lord BJ said: I agree with this. I presume we will need to remove from the board and also pay off his dof contract at some point. That’s going to cost us as well. Isn't his contract up end of season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDevriesScores4 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 10:25, Official_AB said: https://www.facebook.com/events/726869801057614/?ti=icl I want Levein out but I’m not entertaining these roasters. The top banner shows a distinct lack of intelligence or a very short memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 44 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: His managerial contract is up. I don’t believe this applies to his dof position. Hence why it Is allegedly ridiculous sums to get rid completely. (I was told it was excess of 500k to get rid of CL that doesn’t make sense to me and I struggle to believe it. However, I’m struggling to doubt the person who told me also 🤷🏻♂️) So when his managerial contract expires he will still be employed as dof and sit on board. Unless something it done to alter that. He won’t walk, so to get out club we will have to give him a pay off. I could be wrong but I don’t think he has a defined dof contract as such. We have got ourselves into a terrible situation around his contracts/positions. Not really. He will have a contract for any dof/manager position and his directorship will be up every few years for re-election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Lord BJ said: I agree with this. I presume we will need to remove from the board and also pay off his dof contract at some point. That’s going to cost us as well. His contract is up at the end of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Dof? I understand he has no fixed length on that. I hope to **** your right and I’m wrong. Could have a point on DoF role, but tbh no one will care if the we gets results who the dof is. If his contract has no fixed length and just a normal rolling permanent contract then I'm unsure there would be any pay off at all. Edited October 14, 2019 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: His managerial contract is up. I don’t believe this applies to his dof position. Hence why it Is allegedly ridiculous sums to get rid completely. (I was told it was excess of 500k to get rid of CL that doesn’t make sense to me and I struggle to believe it. However, I’m struggling to doubt the person who told me also 🤷🏻♂️) So when his managerial contract expires he will still be employed as dof and sit on board. Unless something it done to alter that. He won’t walk, so to get out club we will have to give him a pay off. I could be wrong but I don’t think he has a defined dof contract as such. We have got ourselves into a terrible situation around his contracts/positions. Dont believe Ann Budge has allowed a 500k position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: You believe his dof role up at end of season then? I hope your right but It’s not my understanding. He can be removed from the board anytime the board want that to happen. That’s just need a vote, albeit AB does need to tell them how to vote. There wern't mny of us who voted against his re-appointment to the board at the last AGM. Those that did got stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 23 hours ago, CJGJ said: Disrespected what rubbish is this Just because she holds a different point of view and has a backbone unlike some on here you think you have been disrespected !! Boo Hoo she won't do what I want, I'm being disrespected ,it's not fair, I'm going in the huff blah blah blah Have a word with yourself and stop being so overdramatic She is giving him every chance and wants to see what will happen when we get near a first choice 11...even with a few back shortly that won't happen until mid December at least but she won't wait that long if there are no signs of improvment with some of the injured players back in the next couple of weeks This club is in a semi final of one of the two major cup competitions under the same 'poor management' ..knocking out the sides currently 3rd and 4th in the table or have you forgotten that We had a pretty injury free side in 2017/18. We were still sh!te Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 14:19, Back to 2005 said: I've been going for 40 years and to be honest I know more about football than she does. This vision? What is it? To remove the soul from the club because that is exactly what's happening. Competent? She forgot to order the seats and arranged for an orchestra to play ruining half the pitch before the start of the season to name 2 examples. Balanced? She is only interested in the corporate fans not those of us that have invested a small fortune for the love of it over the years. Successful? She is a successful business woman. Football is not a business. I might be short sighted but I cant see any evidence of us going forward or even stagnating. But you keep believing mate for whatever your motives are. She didn’t forget to order the seats - Scott Gardiner did, and as the hard headed business woman she is, she sacked him! So you have to ask yourself why she has not sacked our current Manager for similar incompetence! 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: She didn’t forget to order the seats - Scott Gardiner did, and as the hard headed business woman she is, she sacked him! So you have to ask yourself why she has not sacked our current Manager for similar incompetence! 🤔 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord BJ said: You believe his dof role up at end of season then? I hope your right but It’s not my understanding. He can be removed from the board anytime the board want that to happen. That’s just need a vote, albeit AB does need to tell them how to vote. I don’t know the detail of his contract. I would imagine his original Dof contract would have been replaced by a new one when he took over as Manager. It’s not normal to have two contracts running simultaneously. i think it would need Special resolution voted on by shareholders to remove a director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc-jambo Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Worth coming on here, once in a while to see what a bunch of utter roasters are in the forefront - the plane-hirers, basically. I will advise AB to hang on bravely until the lot of them have figured out that it’s only £1.50 these days for the megabus to the place where they belong. Meanwhile I suggest: support the team 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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