ri Alban Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, OTT said: She still took extreme measures to evade justice. Like you say, an accident, a tragic accident which she has twisted the knife by thinking jumping in a plane and running away is an acceptable course of action. Utterly cowardly and devoid of character. She's prolonged the families pain and denied them closure. If she is ever extradited I would hope the full force of the law is applied. Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) She's the one they need to protect. That makes a lot more sense. Also, "former" CIA agent. Lol. Edited February 9, 2020 by Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: She's the one they need to protect. That makes a lot more sense. Also, "former" CIA agent. Lol. Took them a while to make that one up. The Yanks being unscrupulous. Never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 8 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Took them a while to make that one up. The Yanks being unscrupulous. Never. No one wants to see her jailed for life/put on death row for this. She caused a death which you or I would need to stand trial for but she managed to skip out the country. Cowardess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 6 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: No one wants to see her jailed for life/put on death row for this. She caused a death which you or I would need to stand trial for but she managed to skip out the country. Cowardess Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I see Interpol have put out an international arrest warrant for her. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8308287/Interpol-issues-international-arrest-warrant-Harry-Dunns-alleged-killer-Anne-Sacoolas.html The wife of a US intelligence official accused of killing British teenager Harry Dunn is now a fugitive on the run after Interpol issued an international arrest warrant for her. Nine months after the fatal crash, after which she fled Britain for the US, Anne Sacoolas is now the subject of an Interpol Red Notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lemongrab said: I see Interpol have put out an international arrest warrant for her. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8308287/Interpol-issues-international-arrest-warrant-Harry-Dunns-alleged-killer-Anne-Sacoolas.html The wife of a US intelligence official accused of killing British teenager Harry Dunn is now a fugitive on the run after Interpol issued an international arrest warrant for her. Nine months after the fatal crash, after which she fled Britain for the US, Anne Sacoolas is now the subject of an Interpol Red Notice. Good news and it’ll be interesting how this pans out. Unfortunately the USA will be extremely hard to deal with. It’s always a one way thing with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Good news and it’ll be interesting how this pans out. Unfortunately the USA will be extremely hard to deal with. It’s always a one way thing with them. They want a trade deaL…..SO LETS DEAL. Donald will sacrifice anything and anybody to get reelected including her Lets hope she makes a mistake one day and looks to leave the good old USA thinking she can get away with it Edited May 11, 2020 by CJGJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Good news and it’ll be interesting how this pans out. Unfortunately the USA will be extremely hard to deal with. It’s always a one way thing with them. Yip, only ever goes one way with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 27 minutes ago, CJGJ said: They want a trade deaL…..SO LETS DEAL. Donald will sacrifice anything and anybody to get reelected including her Lets hope she makes a mistake one day and looks to leave the good old USA thinking she can get away with it This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 A US development. Court agrees a damages claim can be made. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/world/europe/anne-sacoolas-us-harry-dunn.html?campaign_id=51&emc=edit_MBE_p_20210218&instance_id=27229&nl=morning-briefing®i_id=156361949§ion=whatElse&segment_id=51861&te=1&user_id=f50a755ac6dbdd9d46451ee04e0126bd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: A US development. Court agrees a damages claim can be made. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/world/europe/anne-sacoolas-us-harry-dunn.html?campaign_id=51&emc=edit_MBE_p_20210218&instance_id=27229&nl=morning-briefing®i_id=156361949§ion=whatElse&segment_id=51861&te=1&user_id=f50a755ac6dbdd9d46451ee04e0126bd The court has definitely arrived at a sensible jurisdictional judgement here imo. The legal doctrine of "Forum non conveniens" was born in Scotland and lives on in the common law in the States. That's what Sacoolas was trying to argue for, that it makes little sense to pursue a case for an incident that happened in England, in the US. But the judge rightly said "Nuh uh, you are arguing both that an English court makes more sense while vowing never to return to the UK and having asked the US government to deny your extradition, which it did. Justice needs to be done somewhere." I fully expect her lawyer to continue to argue for diplomatic immunity and other technicalities of the law in proceedings, but this hurdle has been cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Justin Z said: The court has definitely arrived at a sensible jurisdictional judgement here imo. The legal doctrine of "Forum non conveniens" was born in Scotland and lives on in the common law in the States. That's what Sacoolas was trying to argue for, that it makes little sense to pursue a case for an incident that happened in England, in the US. But the judge rightly said "Nuh uh, you are arguing both that an English court makes more sense while vowing never to return to the UK and having asked the US government to deny your extradition, which it did. Justice needs to be done somewhere." I fully expect her lawyer to continue to argue for diplomatic immunity and other technicalities of the law in proceedings, but this hurdle has been cleared. Wondering if this could affect chances of returning to UK. Realistically she is facing a small fine in England. Might be a worse outcome in US court. Most reasonable people want her to take responsibility. Damages does that at least in some way. Good that it raises interesting legal principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Wondering if this could affect chances of returning to UK. Realistically she is facing a small fine in England. Might be a worse outcome in US court. Most reasonable people want her to take responsibility. Damages does that at least in some way. Good that it raises interesting legal principles. Good point. And yeah, I don't think this decision precludes her from now choosing to return to the UK and she'd then be able to argue in the US, "this matter is being settled in England" in order to dismiss the case. It just means "if you don't go handle this matter in the most convenient forum, it'll need to be handled somewhere, and here is as good as any." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) Family are suggesting that Anne Sacoolas may have been 'distracted' by her mobile phone at the time of the crash. This follows a line of enquiry by the family's legal team into Anne Sacoolas' phone usage, in which court documents say that Mrs Sacoolas has been "evasive, non-responsive & inconsistent" about her phone usage, the documents further went on to claim that data from the phone was available for the day before & the day after the crash but that no data was found on the SIM card for the day of the crash, raising the possiblity that relevant data had been "deleted". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58144499 Edited August 10, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 hours ago, jonesy said: Another reminder that using a phone while driving is just asking for trouble. Anyone caught doing it should be immediately banned. I'd include having phones stuck to windscreens in that. I truly hope this family gets some form of justice for the loss of their son. I can't dig it out immediately but the Polis posted up video of a lorry driver who'd been texting on his phone (which was stuck to the screen) for long periods of time while belting along at 55 before slamming into the back of a broken down truck. Utterly cretinous to believe that you can be safely in charge of a moving vehicle while doing that. That said, hands-free is not the same for a phone conversation. It's no different to having a conversation with passengers in your car. I only take incoming calls, though; my system seems to think it's funny to re-enact the lift scene from Burniston with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, jonesy said: Another reminder that using a phone while driving is just asking for trouble. Anyone caught doing it should be immediately banned. I'd include having phones stuck to windscreens in that. I truly hope this family gets some form of justice for the loss of their son. And it could have been all so different. IMO all the Americans had to do was to hold their hands up, admit that one of their employees had fecked up, however you can't charge her as she has diplomatic immunity, but we will convey our sincere apologies and condolences to the family and in due course come to an amicable and generious settlement for their loss. But no, they had to spirit her away on a secret flight and have constantly said feck you.......feck you........feck you, to everything the family has tried to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: And it could have been all so different. IMO all the Americans had to do was to hold their hands up, admit that one of their employees had fecked up, however you can't charge her as she has diplomatic immunity, but we will convey our sincere apologies and condolences to the family and in due course come to an amicable and generious settlement for their loss. But no, they had to spirit her away on a secret flight and have constantly said feck you.......feck you........feck you, to everything the family has tried to do. Spot on. It was probably unlikely she would’ve been jailed for it. The family were only wanting justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 15 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Spot on. It was probably unlikely she would’ve been jailed for it. The family were only wanting justice. Yip, that's all they've ever wanted, they're not bothered about somebody going to jail, they just want someone to take responsibility for the crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Swap deal with Prince Andrew. Both have immunity. Diplomatic for her and Crown for him. Deal or no deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, jonesy said: I heard that idea was pitched to both parties. The Yank was reluctant, but Andrew simply replied 'Sure, no sweat, just as soon as I finish my pizza.' FTFY 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jambo-Jimbo Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) The civil damages case which was supposed to be heard in America next week has been postponed. Issuing a short statement about the postponement, the Dunn family's spokesman Radd Seiger said: "By mutual agreement, the depositions of Mr and Mrs Sacoolas scheduled for next Tuesday and Wednesday have been postponed. "The family accordingly are now remaining in the UK and in the meantime they are once again focusing their attention on securing justice in the criminal case. "We are unable to go into any further detail at this time." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58276375 I don't know if this means that a financial settlement has been reached or whatever, I don't know. Edited August 20, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 An agreement has been reached between the family of Harry Dunn & Anne Sacoolas in the civil damages case. Ms Sacoolas still faces a criminal investigation into Harry's death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: An agreement has been reached between the family of Harry Dunn & Anne Sacoolas in the civil damages case. Ms Sacoolas still faces a criminal investigation into Harry's death. so tough for the family. They must resent having to do this but what option is there? That woman will never come near the UK again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 No doubt the insurance company or dare I say this the US government have paid out on her behalf. One part of this comes to an end but the most important part has still to be resolved and that may be a long time for the family to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: An agreement has been reached between the family of Harry Dunn & Anne Sacoolas in the civil damages case. Ms Sacoolas still faces a criminal investigation into Harry's death. So from demanding justice and accepting no answer accept her trial, family settle for cash. Neither family comes out of this well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: So from demanding justice and accepting no answer accept her trial, family settle for cash. Neither family comes out of this well There is still a criminal investigation, this was a civil case completely seperate from any criminal case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterjohn Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: So from demanding justice and accepting no answer accept her trial, family settle for cash. Neither family comes out of this well Agree with this If the deceased person isn't the main breadwinner I find this American based compo idea not very palatable unless of course they pass it to a charity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I’ve no idea what this all means in the bigger picture(had a few drinks) but I just can’t get my head around accepting any monies from them. I’d like to think I’d make myself bankrupt if it was to bring someone who’d killed my child to justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 To be fair. If she facing a custodial sentence then shes better off coming back to the UK so she will inevitably get a much lighter sentence than she would in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pap said: To be fair. If she facing a custodial sentence then shes better off coming back to the UK so she will inevitably get a much lighter sentence than she would in the US. I would be very surprised if she got a custodial sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, The Real Maroonblood said: I would be very surprised if she got a custodial sentence. If shes getting a criminal trial, i believe she will. Whats the point if its all pre worked out that she will be let off then? She killed someone. It maybe a tolken gesture year or two but if shes just given probation or let off then it will be the final insult to Harrys family. If shes getting no punishment then dont proceed with the court case. The fact is that she is facing criminal charges show they are at least doing something about it. I believe she will do some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pap said: If shes getting a criminal trial, i believe she will. Whats the point if its all pre worked out that she will be let off then? She killed someone. It maybe a tolken gesture year or two but if shes just given probation or let off then it will be the final insult to Harrys family. If shes getting no punishment then dont proceed with the court case. The fact is that she is facing criminal charges show they are at least doing something about it. I believe she will do some time. It would be pleasing if she got time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pap said: If shes getting a criminal trial, i believe she will. Whats the point if its all pre worked out that she will be let off then? She killed someone. It maybe a tolken gesture year or two but if shes just given probation or let off then it will be the final insult to Harrys family. If shes getting no punishment then dont proceed with the court case. The fact is that she is facing criminal charges show they are at least doing something about it. I believe she will do some time. There will not be a criminal trial, not even in the UK, far less in the USA. She is protected by the American Government, she will not face any criminal trials or charges whilst she remains in the US, sure she could be charged in the UK, but it's only a piece of paper as far as the Americans will be concerned. The best of it all is that she was probably never looking at jail time anyway, she was probably looking at nothing more than a suspended sentence, but because she works for the CIA, it had to be protected what she does for the agency, hence get her out of the country, quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The family of Harry Dunn have reached a 'resolution' with the diplomat's wife. No details have been released. I'm assuming that that is the end of the matter https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/uk/harry-dunn-resolution-intl-gbr/index.html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 11/05/2020 at 10:57, CJGJ said: They want a trade deaL…..SO LETS DEAL. Donald will sacrifice anything and anybody to get reelected including her Lets hope she makes a mistake one day and looks to leave the good old USA thinking she can get away with it Why not trade her for Prince Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Pap said: If shes getting a criminal trial, i believe she will. Whats the point if its all pre worked out that she will be let off then? She killed someone. It maybe a tolken gesture year or two but if shes just given probation or let off then it will be the final insult to Harrys family. If shes getting no punishment then dont proceed with the court case. The fact is that she is facing criminal charges show they are at least doing something about it. I believe she will do some time. She had diplomatic immunity. There is absolutely no way she’ll face a criminal trial in the UK or do any time in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) Breaking News. Anne Sacoolas is to face Westminster magistrates on the 18 January 2022 on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. I do not know if she will appear in person or by video link or be tried in absentia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750 Edited December 13, 2021 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Breaking News. Anne Sacoolas is to face Westminster magistrates on the 18 January 2022 on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. I do not know if she will appear in person or by video link or be tried in absentia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750 Good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Breaking News. Anne Sacoolas is to face Westminster magistrates on the 18 January 2022 on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. I do not know if she will appear in person or by video link or be tried in absentia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750 I am suspecting a suspended sentence and perhaps a hefty fine but would that that be enough for the mother? Edited December 13, 2021 by joondalupjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: I am suspecting a suspended sentence and perhaps a hefty fine but would that that be enough for the mother? I hope it's enough for the mother so she can get some closure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I hope it's enough for the mother so she can get some closure. Me too but anytime I hear her she seems to come across as wanting much more than my guess of the outcome. Maybe I am misreading her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: Me too but anytime I hear her she seems to come across as wanting much more than my guess of the outcome. Maybe I am misreading her. I think that is probably emotions at play. She has also said that all she wants is someone to face justice for Harry's death, that is now happening, and like yourself I do hope that the family can accept whatever the verdict of the court case is, and move on afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I think that is probably emotions at play. Good point. Hopefully settled soon and she can move forward. Up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 46 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Breaking News. Anne Sacoolas is to face Westminster magistrates on the 18 January 2022 on a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. I do not know if she will appear in person or by video link or be tried in absentia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-59643750 The right outcome seems to be playing out now. This was a tragic accident and will hopefully give Harry’s family some closure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: I am suspecting a suspended sentence and perhaps a hefty fine but would that that be enough for the mother? Will be interesting to see if she's dealt with in the same way as others who've casused death by dangerous driving. Can think of a couple of instances where a jail sentence is the outcome - in one case ; 6 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 No winners in this case are possible and I doubt any participants will feel good, regardless of outcome. Tragic waste of a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 They were saying on BBC news that Ms Sacoolas will likely appear via video link, which is probably the best anybody could have hoped for, simply because there is no way that she was going to appear in person. One small caveat to this news today, is that the CPS would not confirm to the BBC that Ms Sacoolas was still facing the original charge of causing death by dangerous driving. Just my own opinion here, but I wouldn't be shocked that she faces a reduced charge of causing death by careless driving and gets a suspended sentence. What I do know is, that there has been a lot of political & diplomatic wrangling between the UK & the USA to get this far, the compromise of which there has most likely had to have been, could be a non-custodial charge, resulting in that the family get their day in court and that Ms Sacoolas is free to come and go and travel without fear of there being a warrant out for her arrest..........this is just me thinking aloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 15 hours ago, joondalupjambo said: I am suspecting a suspended sentence and perhaps a hefty fine but would that that be enough for the mother? Depends on whether or not a criminal record would cause create issues for Sacalas at home/work. If that is the case then a permanent official criminal record that has to be declared could cause her issues for decades. That's a trade off that may be acceptable. On a slightly different note - a reduced charge in the UK that she is found guilty of could then enable a private prosecution in the US to progress with a high degree of success. Sacalas could be paying the cost of freedom for many decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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