The Real Maroonblood Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Barack said: Bet that was tough. It just shows that she has a conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 16 hours ago, Barack said: Oui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bn jambo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Anytime someone says Diplomatic immunity all i can think of is lethal weapon, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, bn jambo said: Anytime someone says Diplomatic immunity all i can think of is lethal weapon, Patsy Kensit's dids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, bn jambo said: Anytime someone says Diplomatic immunity all i can think of is lethal weapon, Anytime i see him, i think of his dodgy charactor in the Pet shop Boys video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, bn jambo said: Anytime someone says Diplomatic immunity all i can think of is lethal weapon, JUST BEEN REVOKED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Looks like Diplomatic Immunity is not relevant in Anne Sacoolas's case. She was never entitled to it anyway. Good news for the Dunn family who are flying out to New York Edited October 13, 2019 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The Dunn family can sue her or the Northamptonshire police can press for her return and let the law deal with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Looks like Diplomatic Immunity is not relevant in Anne Sacoolas's case. She was never entitled to it anyway. Good news for the Dunn family who are flying out to New York People the news people eg Sky News have got in to assess things saying it is not clear yet. She may still in practice have immunity and will not be forced to come back to face charges even if extradition application is made. Edited October 13, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 It seems her diplomatic immunity does not count for her now, as she's in the United States and open to due process... If convicted in the US, the consequence s would be far stricter... Going by BBC news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I don't see how any American court would have jurisdiction to hear a criminal case, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Justin Z said: I don't see how any American court would have jurisdiction to hear a criminal case, however. Is it possible to go for a civil suit instead? Not ideal, but satisfying the negligence/wrongdoing element and getting a bumper payout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, gjcc said: Is it possible to go for a civil suit instead? Not ideal, but satisfying the negligence/wrongdoing element and getting a bumper payout. Seems more possible because there wouldn't be as much of a constitutional due process issue in a civil suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 If she had used any common sense then she would have remained in the UK She would have ended up with a limited sentance, little if any jail time and back 'home' to the good old US OF A Much of the blame I'm sure lies with the American authorities who have badly misjudged the mood from the UK and indeed how their own citizens have viewed the 'running away' from a country that is supposed to have a close relationship with them She has 'lost' her protected status and would be better just coming back to the UK and letting justice run it's course though whether that will be truly justice for the crime is open to interpretation Lets not turn a blind eye though, the American government aided her leaving the UK and they will now try to pretend they did not to try and save face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, CJGJ said: If she had used any common sense then she would have remained in the UK She would have ended up with a limited sentance, little if any jail time and back 'home' to the good old US OF A Much of the blame I'm sure lies with the American authorities who have badly misjudged the mood from the UK and indeed how their own citizens have viewed the 'running away' from a country that is supposed to have a close relationship with them She has 'lost' her protected status and would be better just coming back to the UK and letting justice run it's course though whether that will be truly justice for the crime is open to interpretation Lets not turn a blind eye though, the American government aided her leaving the UK and they will now try to pretend they did not to try and save face Agree....... Heard Trump on the News...... He just wants it to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Heard Harry's parents give an interview yesterday and if what they said is true and they aren't mistaken, then it changes the whole dynamics of this case. They said that Anne Sacoolas was facing a charge of causing death by dangerous driving and that they (the Dunn's) would have pleaded with the court not to give her a custodial sentence, which would be the norm for such a serious charge, I would have thought. Now if that claim is true, then it would explain why someone wanted her out of the country asap, presumably so as to escape a potential serious criminal charge, but by doing so, wouldn't everybody who had anything to do with her return back to the US, potentially face a charge of trying to pervert the course of justice. I think this case has a lot more twists and turns to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Heard Harry's parents give an interview yesterday and if what they said is true and they aren't mistaken, then it changes the whole dynamics of this case. They said that Anne Sacoolas was facing a charge of causing death by dangerous driving and that they (the Dunn's) would have pleaded with the court not to give her a custodial sentence, which would be the norm for such a serious charge, I would have thought. Now if that claim is true, then it would explain why someone wanted her out of the country asap, presumably so as to escape a potential serious criminal charge, but by doing so, wouldn't everybody who had anything to do with her return back to the US, potentially face a charge of trying to pervert the course of justice. I think this case has a lot more twists and turns to go. Except she wasn't facing any charge because she had diplomatic immunity. Also there was never any warrant out for her arrest. I believe she spoke with the police at the time of the accident. Also eco helped her do what? She bought a ticket and flew home didn't she? Edited October 15, 2019 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpship Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 09/10/2019 at 20:08, Jambo-Jimbo said: The parents met with the foreign secretary Dominic Raab today and left the meeting both angry and disappointed, seems they had convinced themselves that they were going to hear some very good positive news, but were angry that Raab basically pointed out the reality of the situation, namely that America never waives immunity and all the government can really do is to bring the case to their American counterparts attention and try an excert some pressure on them. Whilst the parents have my every sympathy, I do think they need to be realistic here, because nobody can force Anne Sacoolas to get on a plane and return to the UK, diplomatic immunity or not, and even if a US court did order her to return, it's not going to happen within a week or two, as these things often take years to resolve, especially if she put in an appeal after appeal etc etc. Basically the special relationship is nothing more that the UK being the bitch poodle that goes running when ever the US whistles... The UK truly is the bitch of the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, hughesie27 said: Except she wasn't facing any charge because she had diplomatic immunity. Also there was never any warrant out for her arrest. I believe she spoke with the police at the time of the accident. Also eco helped her do what? She bought a ticket and flew home didn't she? I'm only reporting what the family said yesterday. However from what has been reported and is widely known in the public domain, she did initially cooperate with the Police that much is true, diplomatic immunity was obviously mentioned at some point, Police applied for a waiver to her diplomatic immunity, so why would the Police apply for a waiver if she wasn't going to potentially face charges, that's the whole reason why you apply for a waiver so as the suspect can potentially face charges. Of course there was no arrest warrant issued, as far as the Police knew she was still claiming diplomatic immunity, hence why as far as I know she hadn't been formally interviewed by the Police, whom needed the waiver so as to take the case forwards. Anne Sacoolas was asked by the Police at the time of the crash or shortly afterwards either not to or do you have any plans to leave the country, the answer was no, then a few weeks later Police receive notifcation that the waiver has been refused and then learn that the whole family is back in the States. You ask who helped her leave the country, well her husband for starters, but speaking of which, very little has been said about the husband, which isn't a surprise giving that he's an intelligence officer, whom in all probability also left at the same time as his wife & kids back to the States, but no one can be sure of that, but lets say he is also back in the States, well he doesn't get to decide he just wants to get on a plane and leave the UK, he'd need permission to do that and his commanding officer would need a reason why to grant him & the whole family to leave the air base & the UK........................you see where this is going, there is a chain of command, it ain't as simple as buying a ticket and getting on a plane, especially a one way ticket with your kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, jumpship said: Basically the special relationship is nothing more that the UK being the bitch poodle that goes running when ever the US whistles... The UK truly is the bitch of the world... What special relationship, that only works when the US want's the UK to join it in another illegal war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I'm only reporting what the family said yesterday. However from what has been reported and is widely known in the public domain, she did initially cooperate with the Police that much is true, diplomatic immunity was obviously mentioned at some point, Police applied for a waiver to her diplomatic immunity, so why would the Police apply for a waiver if she wasn't going to potentially face charges, that's the whole reason why you apply for a waiver so as the suspect can potentially face charges. Of course there was no arrest warrant issued, as far as the Police knew she was still claiming diplomatic immunity, hence why as far as I know she hadn't been formally interviewed by the Police, whom needed the waiver so as to take the case forwards. Anne Sacoolas was asked by the Police at the time of the crash or shortly afterwards either not to or do you have any plans to leave the country, the answer was no, then a few weeks later Police receive notifcation that the waiver has been refused and then learn that the whole family is back in the States. You ask who helped her leave the country, well her husband for starters, but speaking of which, very little has been said about the husband, which isn't a surprise giving that he's an intelligence officer, whom in all probability also left at the same time as his wife & kids back to the States, but no one can be sure of that, but lets say he is also back in the States, well he doesn't get to decide he just wants to get on a plane and leave the UK, he'd need permission to do that and his commanding officer would need a reason why to grant him & the whole family to leave the air base & the UK........................you see where this is going, there is a chain of command, it ain't as simple as buying a ticket and getting on a plane, especially a one way ticket with your kids. What you say is exactly how it probably panned out. However nothing in that scenario that they done was illegal. She may very well have had no plans to leave, but even if she did there would be nothing stopping her getting on a plane. The police can't just hold her hostage. All that will happen is that the US will do nothing, the family will be offered a payment to quieter them and we will move o to something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: What you say is exactly how it probably panned out. However nothing in that scenario that they done was illegal. She may very well have had no plans to leave, but even if she did there would be nothing stopping her getting on a plane. The police can't just hold her hostage. All that will happen is that the US will do nothing, the family will be offered a payment to quieter them and we will move o to something else. They’ll offer the family money and they’ll tell her to stick it where the sun don’t shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: What you say is exactly how it probably panned out. However nothing in that scenario that they done was illegal. She may very well have had no plans to leave, but even if she did there would be nothing stopping her getting on a plane. The police can't just hold her hostage. All that will happen is that the US will do nothing, the family will be offered a payment to quieter them and we will move o to something else. I didn't say Anne Sacoolas had done anything Illegal, what I said was if the family's claims are true that she was to be charged then that changes everything. It's up to the UK Police now to decide whether or not to persue the case further and bring charges and apply for her extradition back to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: They’ll offer the family money and they’ll tell her to stick it where the sun don’t shine. I'm inclined to agree with you, in fact I think it would be an incredibly stupid move to offer the family 'hush' money so to speak, a move which I think would backfire on the person/s who offered it. Different scenario entirely if the family were to persue a civil case in the States for damages, in that way they would probably get some closure because blame/guilt/liability would be proportioned against the defendant. Edited October 15, 2019 by Jambo-Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I'm inclined to agree with you, in fact I think it would be an incredibly stupid move to offer the family 'hush' money so to speak, a move which I think would backfire on the person/s who offered it. Different scenario entirely if the family were to persue a civil case in the States for damages, in that way they would probably get some closure because blame/guilt/liability would be proportioned against the defendant. A civil case would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: I didn't say Anne Sacoolas had done anything Illegal, what I said was if the family's claims are true that she was to be charged then that changes everything. The US won't extradite a citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, hughesie27 said: The US won't extradite a citizen. Indeed, yet the US expects everyone else to extradite people to the US whenever they snap their fingers. This is why the family are considering legal action in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Indeed, yet the US expects everyone else to extradite people to the US whenever they snap their fingers. This is why the family are considering legal action in the US. Aye, my point t was that you said bringing charges forward would change everything. It would change pretty much nothing. Crap state of affairs. Wonder how the US would react if in the near future a si.ar situation happened in the States with a UK diplomat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 08:24, hughesie27 said: This is Donald Trump. He will throw a couple of million £ at the family in an envelope along with an NDA and we will never hear about it again. If you have money, you don't need to pay attention to silly laws. Parents now invited to the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Parents now invited to the White House. Then told Sacoolas will not be returning to the UK. What a surprise. Everything is the USA way or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Then told Sacoolas will not be returning to the UK. What a surprise. Everything is the USA way or nothing. The only surprise is trump didn't use it as an excuse to rant about Ukraine, Democrats, the wall, etc,or tell everyone what a genius he thinks he is. ****ing waste of skin and oxygen, that he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: The only surprise is trump didn't use it as an excuse to rant about Ukraine, Democrats, the wall, etc,or tell everyone what a genius he thinks he is. ****ing waste of skin and oxygen, that he is. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: The only surprise is trump didn't use it as an excuse to rant about Ukraine, Democrats, the wall, etc,or tell everyone what a genius he thinks he is. ****ing waste of skin and oxygen, that he is. Maybe if the parents had met with Sacoolas he'd have gotten the opportunity to have done so, because the Dunn's lawyer said that when Trump told them that Anne Sacoolas was in the next room, he noticed at least 3 photographers standing in the sidelines, he then realised that they had been ambushed (his words), seems it was all a set up, a photo opportunity (my words), allowing Trump to stand in the middle and proclaim that he's the greatest deal maker in history as he's brought these grieving parents together. The man is completely warped. At least the Dunn's now know for certain that Anne Sacoolas is not going to return to the UK, ever. So, I think the Dunn's should now stop wasting their time & energy trying to get Sacoolas to return to the UK, as it ain't gonna happen. I can't see what else the Dunn's can do right now, they have got confirmation from the President that Sacoolas isn't returning to the UK. I think the next step should be to wait on the Police report being submitted to the CPS and see what course of action the CPS recommend, then take things from there. Northamptonshire Police have said that the report will be with the CPS shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Even by Trump’s own spectacularly low standard, that attempted stunt was breathtakingly horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Maybe if the parents had met with Sacoolas he'd have gotten the opportunity to have done so, because the Dunn's lawyer said that when Trump told them that Anne Sacoolas was in the next room, he noticed at least 3 photographers standing in the sidelines, he then realised that they had been ambushed (his words), seems it was all a set up, a photo opportunity (my words), allowing Trump to stand in the middle and proclaim that he's the greatest deal maker in history as he's brought these grieving parents together. The man is completely warped. At least the Dunn's now know for certain that Anne Sacoolas is not going to return to the UK, ever. So, I think the Dunn's should now stop wasting their time & energy trying to get Sacoolas to return to the UK, as it ain't gonna happen. I can't see what else the Dunn's can do right now, they have got confirmation from the President that Sacoolas isn't returning to the UK. I think the next step should be to wait on the Police report being submitted to the CPS and see what course of action the CPS recommend, then take things from there. Northamptonshire Police have said that the report will be with the CPS shortly. If I was the Dunns, I wouldn’t not “stop wasting [my] time” and would continue to do what I needed to do to raise awareness and fight for justice for my dead son. It’s still quite early in any criminal process...and may be nearing the home straight in the current US administration’s lifespan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peebo said: If I was the Dunns, I wouldn’t not “stop wasting [my] time” and would continue to do what I needed to do to raise awareness and fight for justice for my dead son. It’s still quite early in any criminal process...and may be nearing the home straight in the current US administration’s lifespan. That's not the way I meant it. It's clear it's now a waste of time trying to persuade the US authorities to return Sacoolas to the UK, that's the waste of time and energy I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The Dunn’s family were quite correct IMO not to meet her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: That's not the way I meant it. It's clear it's now a waste of time trying to persuade the US authorities to return Sacoolas to the UK, that's the waste of time and energy I was referring to. I don’t think that’s clear at all. As I said, it’s still early days. Even in normal circumstances, the lifespan of the case could outlast the current decision-making administration. Under this extraordinary presidency, things can change in a minute. Trump changes his mind on a daily basis. The Dunns should try tweeting the Kardashians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Peebo said: I don’t think that’s clear at all. As I said, it’s still early days. Even in normal circumstances, the lifespan of the case could outlast the current decision-making administration. Under this extraordinary presidency, things can change in a minute. Trump changes his mind on a daily basis. The Dunns should try tweeting the Kardashians. Or get on Hannity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 We don’t know, for sure, if this woman left the UK by her choice, or if someone in authority told her to, in the hope that things would just go away. It was 3 weeks after the tragic event that she left, not the next day. It certainly shows the one sided attitude of the US administration and law authorities towards extradition between them and the UK. However, if this woman ever returned to the UK, for a holiday or passing through, for example, could she then be detained? I would think that she can never come back without the risk of being questioned further by UK police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I’ve not read this full thread but I’m surprised she left because if she had been charged ect I’d be surprised if anything happened to her anyway Only this week someone got off with a similar incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, theshed said: I’ve not read this full thread but I’m surprised she left because if she had been charged ect I’d be surprised if anything happened to her anyway Only this week someone got off with a similar incident The one in East Lothian? She didn’t “get off with it“. She didn’t get jailed, but did get convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Peebo said: The one in East Lothian? She didn’t “get off with it“. She didn’t get jailed, but did get convicted. She got community hours to be carried out in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The Trump administration - of course - botches an attempt to get a photo op out of this. Absolutely devoid of empathy... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-50064595 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Read this disgrace from our own government which raises so many questions ..the family have every right to be fuming The government sat on an urgent response until the American had left the country then asked for a couple of days not informing the family to give them time to discuss the next actions..trying to save face by coming up with some fairy tale story is the truth of the matter and then the family are not informed until the 26th of the month..over a week later..this needs to be investigated..smacks of interference in the due process, deliberate non action and indeed lies to the family https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-50129077 The US Embassy told the British government the suspect in a crash which killed Harry Dunn would be leaving the UK, the foreign secretary has said. Mr Dunn, 19, died after a collision outside RAF Croughton with a car owned by US citizen Anne Sacoolas. Dominic Raab told the Commons his department asked for her diplomatic immunity to be waived, but the request was refused by the US. Mr Dunn's family said the statement "added insult to injury". Their spokesman Radd Seiger said there was an "unacceptable lack of information being provided to the family". "There is even more anger and frustration tonight than there was before this statement was made in the House of Commons," he said. Mr Raab said the US Embassy informed his office of the crash and said Mrs Sacoolas was "covered by immunity". The Foreign Office requested to wave her immunity "to enable the police investigation to follow its proper course", he told MPs. But Mr Raab said on 13 September his office was told by the US "that they would not not wave immunity and that the individual would be leaving the country imminently, unless the UK had strong objections". He said his office "duly and immediately objected in clear and strong terms" but when they spoke to US officials on 16 September they were told the family had left the UK the day before. The foreign secretary told the Commons his office "immediately informed Northamptonshire Police" but asked officers to delay telling Mr Dunn's family the suspect had left the country "by a day or two" to give them time to "agree the next course of action". However, the police force did not tell Mr Dunn's family that Mrs Sacoolas had gone back to the US until 26 September, Mr Raab said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Read this disgrace from our own government which raises so many questions ..the family have every right to be fuming The government sat on an urgent response until the American had left the country then asked for a couple of days not informing the family to give them time to discuss the next actions..trying to save face by coming up with some fairy tale story is the truth of the matter and then the family are not informed until the 26th of the month..over a week later..this needs to be investigated..smacks of interference in the due process, deliberate non action and indeed lies to the family https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-50129077 The US Embassy told the British government the suspect in a crash which killed Harry Dunn would be leaving the UK, the foreign secretary has said. Mr Dunn, 19, died after a collision outside RAF Croughton with a car owned by US citizen Anne Sacoolas. Dominic Raab told the Commons his department asked for her diplomatic immunity to be waived, but the request was refused by the US. Mr Dunn's family said the statement "added insult to injury". Their spokesman Radd Seiger said there was an "unacceptable lack of information being provided to the family". "There is even more anger and frustration tonight than there was before this statement was made in the House of Commons," he said. Mr Raab said the US Embassy informed his office of the crash and said Mrs Sacoolas was "covered by immunity". The Foreign Office requested to wave her immunity "to enable the police investigation to follow its proper course", he told MPs. But Mr Raab said on 13 September his office was told by the US "that they would not not wave immunity and that the individual would be leaving the country imminently, unless the UK had strong objections". He said his office "duly and immediately objected in clear and strong terms" but when they spoke to US officials on 16 September they were told the family had left the UK the day before. The foreign secretary told the Commons his office "immediately informed Northamptonshire Police" but asked officers to delay telling Mr Dunn's family the suspect had left the country "by a day or two" to give them time to "agree the next course of action". However, the police force did not tell Mr Dunn's family that Mrs Sacoolas had gone back to the US until 26 September, Mr Raab said. An absolute disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Starting to look like the husband is a person of very high strategic importance to one or both countries. Of the highest value to protect from public scrutiny. She's ****ed up big style, her or her husband or both don't give a shit about the moral responsibility to answer for her actions, US wanted them out of the picture, UK security services thought "**** aye... away you go pronto". Edited October 21, 2019 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Victorian said: Starting to look like the husband is a person of very high strategic importance to one or both countries. Of the highest value to protect from public scrutiny. She's ****ed up big style, her or her husband or both don't give a shit about the moral responsibility to answer for her actions, US wanted them out of the picture, UK security services thought "**** aye... away you go pronto". It’s a shocking chain of events. Special relationship my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Police going to US to interview suspect under caution. Presumably extradition request will be made. That will be the key question now. Police have just done a press conference so clearly shaken by criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Police going to US to interview suspect under caution. Presumably extradition request will be made. That will be the key question now. Police have just done a press conference so clearly shaken by criticism. Unfair criticism as well by the sounds of things, in fact the Police should be getting congratulated for their compassion, sensitivity and understanding in this case. Turns out that the Police learned only the day before that Anne Sacoolas was leaving the UK the following day, and the day she was leaving also happened to be the day of the funeral, the police quite rightly imo decided that the family had enough to deal with & that they didn't need to know that information right away, the police informed the family 5 days later. Just imagine the upset and anguish that that would have caused the family if plod had banged on their door to inform them that the person whom had allegedly killed their son was fecking off back to the States the next day and that the police were powerless to do anything about it and couldn't stop her, oh and when is the funeral............ oh tomorrow...............oops, just imagine what the headlines would have been then. Seems to me the police and to a certain degree from what is in the public domain the government have been in a catch 22 situation and no matter what they did they were going to be damned if they do and damned if they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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