ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Spellczech said: Interesting comment. I always wonder about the emotions that losing at sport causes in others. For me it is disappointment. I sometimes think of turning off or leaving early but always manage to make myself stay - don't know if it is hope or masochism TBH...Seems that other people are ruled by anger, but I never get anger about other people's poor performance, only my own. I often wonder at how people can hold onto anger at a bad result or performance for days on end. You can see it over on the Terrace re Hearts. Have to admit, I just don't get it... I was at the Nation league and Euro qualifiers. If that helps. Still watching. Must be too hungover to work the remote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Interesting comment. I always wonder about the emotions that losing at sport causes in others. For me it is disappointment. I sometimes think of turning off or leaving early but always manage to make myself stay - don't know if it is hope or masochism TBH...Seems that other people are ruled by anger, but I never get anger about other people's poor performance, only my own. I often wonder at how people can hold onto anger at a bad result or performance for days on end. You can see it over on the Terrace re Hearts. Have to admit, I just don't get it... Expect to read in next couple of days how much players and coaches are hurting and how we will turn it round. Actions unfortunately speak louder than words and they cannot back the hollow words up. Ref continues to see Scots offside while ignoring every offside from Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: I would start with Price and keep Laidlaw to slow a game down near the end if we are leading. Laidlaw would be OK if our forwards could actually go through the fazes and not cough up cheap possession after a couple of weak drives. Yeah. You are right, the problems with Scotland are in the weakness of the forwards in being incapable of recycling the ball reliably. The number of times our backs have to quickly go from attacking line to chasing back is incredible... Without the basics in place all the style and pinache in the World can only give you between 10 mins and a half of good rugby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: Gray coming off, didn't notice he was playing. He hasn't played for years. Looks bored and disinterested every time he is on pitch but GT picks him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Come back Vern, pleeeeeaaaase! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Come on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: Come on!!! F'd up, exactly as discussed!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Make break and then **** it up. So predictable and so depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Garbage. Can't do the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: He hasn't played for years. Looks bored and disinterested every time he is on pitch but GT picks him anyway. I forgot it is his brother that was playing recently. Just shows how little impact either of them have on the pitch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 We can't even get momentum in the forward drive with Ireland one man down 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Scotland should be made to watch England, see how it's done. Shocking!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Unfortunately that went exactly as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Usual tale. Too many handling errors. Too much going to speculative kicking. Totally schooled in the arts of ferocious line speed and counter rucking. Ireland got the odd break but were always winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: For me Vern Cotter should still be the head coach. SRU panicked when Townsend threatened to go elsewhere. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Have the rules changed with scrums - the Irish guy just through it backwards to his players and not straight in the middle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Carlsberg Super Sunday not off to a good start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Have the rules changed with scrums - the Irish guy just through it backwards to his players and not straight in the middle Been doing that for 20 years Line outs don't need to be straight either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Who is the ref for Scotland v Japan? Has it been decided? If not, 100% it'll be Barnes. No ****ing danger are they not letting the hosts qualify for the quarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, neilnunb said: Who is the ref for Scotland v Japan? Has it been decided? If not, 100% it'll be Barnes. No ****ing danger are they not letting the hosts qualify for the quarters. I think Scotland have more than enough to win a game like that. Ref today didn't win Ireland the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) The problem is, we don't have a pre kickoff pavement dance. Make it so! Edited September 22, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: I think Scotland have more than enough to win a game like that. Ref today didn't win Ireland the game. No, Scotland were awful but they still got nothing and he's generally crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Tonga ain't here to play rugby, they're here to fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I remember speaking to someone I know who coaches rugby at a fairly high level, I said to him you will be pleased Townsend has been appointed. He said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: I remember speaking to someone I know who coaches rugby at a fairly high level, I said to him you will be pleased Townsend has been appointed. He said no. I think he needs to go after the we've been on a downward spiral since he took over. Isolated decent performances but the general competitiveness has dropped. We are easy beat nowadays. Poor discipline and poor basics. Perhaps we have too many mercenaries (not financial but they'd never play international rugby for their place of birth) in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I think he needs to go after the we've been on a downward spiral since he took over. Isolated decent performances but the general competitiveness has dropped. We are easy beat nowadays. Poor discipline and poor basics. Perhaps we have too many mercenaries (not financial but they'd never play international rugby for their place of birth) in the team. Sometimes you feel the passion isn't quite the same as other teams but every nation seems to have players not born locally either. We just don't have the numbers playing maybe so are basically weaker to start with perhaps. One thing for sure we defended our line better under Cotter. Edited September 22, 2019 by All roads lead to Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboSpur Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Bunch of soft as shite hair doo posers lead by a complete and utter egotistical overly complicating coach. getting rid of Vern cotter was the worst thing SRU have done. We are in total regression. Scotland will get beat of Samoa and Japan, we might beat Russia. Edited September 22, 2019 by JamboSpur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Eiffel Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Have the rules changed with scrums - the Irish guy just through it backwards to his players and not straight in the middle Health & Safety got involved a few years back when they changed the scrummage laws. Hookers do not hook any longer as lifting a leg is dangerous with so much testosterone pushing against you. Instead ball is put in "squint" behind the front row. You never see a ball coning directly out the other side these days. When I played representative rugby the front row were averaging 5' 10" and 2nd row were tall if 6' 4". I was a prop at 6' 1" and considered too tall. For many years Peter Stagg was considered a freak playing 2nd row for Scotland at 6' 7". He was only good for line outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Eiffel Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: I remember speaking to someone I know who coaches rugby at a fairly high level, I said to him you will be pleased Townsend has been appointed. He said no. Same consensus at my club. Cotter should have remained until after the WC. Knee jerk reaction by SRU when Townsend threatened to quit Warriors. The team has deteriorated under Gregor. Nothing old, nothing new, nothing ventured, nothing gained, nothing still-born or lost.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, Alec Eiffel said: Health & Safety got involved a few years back when they changed the scrummage laws. Hookers do not hook any longer as lifting a leg is dangerous with so much testosterone pushing against you. Instead ball is put in "squint" behind the front row. When I played representative rugby the front row were averaging 5' 10" and 2nd row were tall if 6' 4". I was a prop at 6' 1" and considered too tall. For many years Peter Stagg was considered a freak playing 2nd row for Scotland at 6' 7". He was only good for line outs. You never see one against the head either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alec Eiffel said: Same consensus at my club. Cotter should have remained until after the WC. Knee jerk reaction by SRU when Townsend threatened to quit Warriors. The team has deteriorated under Gregor. Nothing old, nothing new, nothing ventured, nothing gained, nothing still-born or lost.. Vern Cotter was building a strong and resolute pack and on the back of that we were starting to see the backs have the confidence to score after periods of patient build up from the forwards. Now it is rush rush rush from us with easy turnovers given away. Russell right now is erratic with his kicking and Hogg just seems to run fast into people, Cotter would have got more out of these two talented players especially by getting the pack to supply better ball further up the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 How did England not score there. Must have been watching Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Score flattering England. Not been a great game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Score flattering England. Not been a great game. Sort of. Tonga have a population of 110,000 and New Zealand put 90 on them in their previous game - so that wasn't remotely impressive. But half the challenge when facing Pacific Island teams is to escape with no injuries. We did that and were defensively excellent, if frequently embarrassing when going forwards. We should be sponsored by Butterfinger on that evidence. But it was solid enough. Satisfactory for the opening game, with the proper tests coming later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: I might have to turn this off.(A first) Had enough of Scotland being pish at everything. There's a really serious question about just what the hell is going on with Scottish team sport. Scotland used to punch way above its weight in football and rugby. Now it punches way, well below it in football - and the rugby team so often flatters to deceive. Is it just the awful administrators in both sports - or more than that? 3 hours ago, Spellczech said: Interesting comment. I always wonder about the emotions that losing at sport causes in others. For me it is disappointment. I sometimes think of turning off or leaving early but always manage to make myself stay - don't know if it is hope or masochism TBH...Seems that other people are ruled by anger, but I never get angry about other people's poor performance, only my own. I often wonder at how people can hold onto anger at a bad result or performance for days on end. You can see it over on the Terrace re Hearts. Have to admit, I just don't get it... I feel likewise. But then, there's always been something kinda *wrong* with me emotionally, in that I rarely get that excited or gutted either way. I'm just weirdly phlegmatic about it all: what happens on the pitch isn't in my control, after all. This attitude extends towards me laughing my head off at inept English rugby performances and at the Iceland game at Euro 2016... though not, please note, at that mercenary arsehole Capello in South Africa. So I do have a line which I can be pushed over on occasion. And I'm not so miserable that I didn't go ballistic with excitement at the end of the Cricket World Cup Final or at Headingley. But I've also been known to applaud opposing teams' goals: England 0-2 France at Wembley in 1999, which might've been 8-0 given how good they were, a case in point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I can't see us progressing from the group based on that showing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Sort of. Tonga have a population of 110,000 and New Zealand put 90 on them in their previous game - so that wasn't remotely impressive. But half the challenge when facing Pacific Island teams is to escape with no injuries. We did that and were defensively excellent, if frequently embarrassing when going forwards. We should be sponsored by Butterfinger on that evidence. But it was solid enough. Satisfactory for the opening game, with the proper tests coming later. England will step it up in harder games but they're still not great to watch, a bit like Wales. Wish Scotland could do it. I purposely didn't watch the game this morning as knew how it would turn out. Ireland are a bruising, well drilled team and we are the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roxy Hearts Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: Certainly food for thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crete Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 11 hours ago, jambopilms said: Half the team crying was pathetic, they should be focused and ready to go, not emotional mess Would you not be crying if you played for Scotland.🏴😥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 So that's Hamish Watson out of the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 19 hours ago, shaun.lawson said: Big Peter would have been kicking their arses if he had been on the park and God knows what brother Gordon would have done to them The foreign born players are some of our best but personally I think rugby is being devalued with all the "country swapping" going on in just about every team If the South Sea Islands countries had all their players playing for them they would be right up there with the top teams I wasn't optimistic before the Ireland game but it was far worse than I thought it would be Japan on on soil especially and Samoa will be very tough games to in now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Tazio said: So that's Hamish Watson out of the tournament. That's a sickener for him and Scotland. Great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Maybe we should start supporting Georgia. Nice strips and all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 Early opinions on the favourites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 22/09/2019 at 09:21, Boof said: FFS did nae ***** see Best standing on Taylor's knee there? I thought I must've been imagining things so checked the footage. Clear as you like - not a thing said by anyone...that I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Early opinions on the favourites? New Zealand and South Africa But Wales, England and Ireland have an outside chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Maybe we should start supporting Georgia. Nice strips and all! Mere £65 https://www.lovell-rugby.co.uk/shop/International/Georgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Mere £65 https://www.lovell-rugby.co.uk/shop/International/Georgia Looked even darker maroon on telly this morning. Maybe it was wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Boof said: I thought I must've been imagining things so checked the footage. Clear as you like - not a thing said by anyone...that I've heard. I wonder if he'll be cited? I think we know the answer however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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