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1 minute ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

If you’d signed up to buy a car next year but the owner stopped washing it, inflating the tyres and checking the oil. Is that Ok?

I’d say it would be a female owner also then 😏

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1 minute ago, Jambo-Fox said:

How do they know or find out the views of the membership??

 

200 / 300 angry e mails do not represent the 8,000.

 

Perhaps an EGM then??

 

Could just ballot them and ask them. Doubt if there are enough of Craig Levein’s family who are members, which is the only thing that could swing it fir him 

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The the next opportunity that the FOH membership will have to formally question the FOH Board and their representatives on the HMFC Board will be at the FOH AGM.

 

The membership can ask both dual directors what representations they have made to the club's board regarding the Manager's position, when they made those representations and what was the response of the club Board.

 

If they haven't made representations, again you could ask why not, then you can ask if they are truly representing the membership's views and being effective in their roles on both Boards.

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Just now, Footballfirst said:

The the next opportunity that the FOH membership will have to formally question the FOH Board and their representatives on the HMFC Board will be at the FOH AGM.

 

The membership can ask both what representations they have made to the club's board regarding the Manager's position, when they made those representations and what was the response of the club Board.

 

If they haven't made representations, again you could ask why not, then you can ask if they are truly representing the membership's views and being effective in their roles on both Boards.

 

When will this be?

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27 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

 

It’s more of a straight up go at your constant attention seeking behaviour than criticism.

 

It's you losing your Shit, not me. 

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Just now, Footballfirst said:

Sadly, not until December, by which point it might be a salvage operation for the season.

 

Thank you, sir.

 

That seems a lifetime off 😥

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3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Sadly, not until December, by which point it might be a salvage operation for the season.

Are all the FOH Board up for re-election?

 

 Be interesting to see their pledges, election statements, proposed policies etc

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FOH's proposed mechanism in the governance proposals for soliciting the views of the membership is a "Director of Members' Affairs"

 

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(f) Director of Members’ Affairs


3.16 One of the crucial tasks of the board is to keep in touch with the members, listen to their issues and concerns, find out what they want from their  membership, and share information about the Foundation and the Club. We propose that one of the directors will be designated as Director of Members’ Affairs, and this director will have primary responsibility for ensuring that an effective dialogue with members takes place. If the level of interest justifies it, we would expect the engagement activities to include open meetings at which members can provide feedback on matters relating to the Foundation. Over time, we would seek to extend that engagement and dialogue to the wider community of Hearts followers. The Director of Members’ Affairs would work closely with the Club to ensure consistent and accurate messages to supporters.
3.17 The Director of Members’ Affairs will be the principal contact person with whom members may freely discuss any issues relating to the Club. As part of the governance framework, there will be ongoing communication and dialogue between the Club and the Foundation, and part of the Director of Members’ Affairs’ role will be to provide a sounding-board for members where direct contact with the Club is not appropriate.

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8 minutes ago, Peebo said:

Not sure of the voting structure, but my point is, the non-exec board members are unlikely to be able to force through an outing of Levein against his wishes. 

As the FoH directors are in a minority you are right as long as he had Ann and her appointees have a majority.  But may be the FoH appointees have some influence?   

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4 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Are all the FOH Board up for re-election?

 

 Be interesting to see their pledges, election statements, proposed policies etc

 

Again from  the governance proposals

 

2.10 Each appointment comes up for regular renewal – the term of office is generally three years.
No director should serve for more than nine years in total.

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Who is the FoH ‘Director of Members’ Affairs’ ..... has anybody been appointed? 

 

Potential breach of governance if not. Is that the tip of iceberg? Hope they are ok on the financial side.

It’s stressful times like this that really test the strength of an organisation, they will be stronger as a result.

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3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Again from  the governance proposals

 

2.10 Each appointment comes up for regular renewal – the term of office is generally three years.
No director should serve for more than nine years in total.

Thanks - could be good (to have some turnover) but potentially bad (if some good people are lost through extended tenure in role) - good luck to those currently serving - could be a rough ride over next few weeks!

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Says it all that Stuart Wallace has tweeted nothing football related despite being very vocal on twitter before the Hamilton game and before most other games.  The guy is only interested in cosying up to the board and not representing the fans.

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10 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Who is the FoH ‘Director of Members’ Affairs’ ..... has anybody been appointed? 

 

Potential breach of governance if not. Is that the tip of iceberg? Hope they are ok on the financial side.

It’s stressful times like this that really test the strength of an organisation, they will be stronger as a result.

 

The FOH Governance proposals will not be formally adopted until the next AGM, although the FOH Board received a 99% vote for progressing with them as they stood at the last AGM (I voted against).

 

The Director for Members' Affairs won't be appointed before then.

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45 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

 Ballot ballot ballot ballot ballot 

 

That’s what is needed! Subscribed contributing members only! One vote per subscriber - with a straight forward question, for or against:-  YES or NO

 

ballot ballot ballot ballot ballot 

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24 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

The FOH Governance proposals will not be formally adopted until the next AGM, although the FOH Board received a 99% vote for progressing with them as they stood at the last AGM (I voted against).

 

The Director for Members' Affairs won't be appointed before then.

Can I ask why you voted against it, only asking because you are much more informed on these things than i am.

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1 hour ago, Plank said:

 

I know mate. Im sorry for offending Keith like i said. Hearts are literally my life. I get too wound up at times. Im genuinely sorry. Like i said. Had a a few messages about the posters learning disabilities.... argh... what a horrible time all round to be a jambo. Let alone a drunken idiot like me 😭

 

Sorry folks. I did ask the mods to delete my post(s). 😭

Ach we've all been there just shows we care after all shame the board doesn't have the fans passion

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3 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

"The greatest fan movement in Scottish football history"

Something like 7m quid in maybe more. Someone suggested a temporary suspension of our direct debits. Too far for me.  Why not at least a mass email message to FoH that the two FoH directors on the club board should be pressing what is clearly the majority view of the fans. 

Haven’t we done well! What an absolute joke. Maybe the whole lot should go to Save the Children, maybe they know how to manage a football team???

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3 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

"The greatest fan movement in Scottish football history"

Something like 7m quid in maybe more. Someone suggested a temporary suspension of our direct debits. Too far for me.  Why not at least a mass email message to FoH that the two FoH directors on the club board should be pressing what is clearly the majority view of the fans. 

I always get the impression you try to create division between FoH and the club.

Am I wromg?

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58 minutes ago, obua said:

Can I ask why you voted against it, only asking because you are much more informed on these things than i am.

 

I had a number of concerns about the future structure of FOH with regard to the two main elements of share ownership and fundraising, lapsed pledgers rights, how future pledges would be used by the club, the lack of a cap on FOH's internal spending, the election of specialist directors, the change from an arms length relationship to a complete hands off arrangement, and a few other things that I have put in writing to the FOH Board.

 

There was some movement on pledgers rights and the election of specialist directors, but I will still vote against the adoption of new governance measures at the next AGM (with the expectation that it will again be voted through with 99% support). 

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2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

I had a number of concerns about the future structure of FOH with regard to the two main elements of share ownership and fundraising, lapsed pledgers rights, how future pledges would be used by the club, the lack of a cap on FOH's internal spending, the election of specialist directors, the change from an arms length relationship to a complete hands off arrangement, and a few other things that I have put in writing to the FOH Board.

 

There was some movement on pledgers rights and the election of specialist directors, but I will still vote against the adoption of new governance measures at the next AGM (with the expectation that it will again be voted through with 99% support). 

Quite. You were farting against thunder though.

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2 hours ago, 1971fozzy said:

I’m a pledger and whilst I will never stop until the day I drop I do believe that there may be something that FOH can do. A possible scenario is to get all members to have a vote in no confidence in the manager ?

never stop pledges. That is madness, but just throwing it out there as I’m extremely concerned that if CL is allowed to continue this absolutely atrocious run (5 league wins in 11 months or something like that) then we will get relegated if that continues.

Hes one defeat away from being the worst manager in our history. And look at the resources and stadia etc he has. It has to stop somehow. Yet he believes it can turn around under his tenure. That’s absolutely frightening 

 

If he was Jack the Ripper he’d think he’d get of with a warning.🤡

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6 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

"Fan owned but not fan run".

 

Yep, because nodding dogs are needed at board level.

Remember she said “it will still need my Governance”, all fools us. I was a serious pledger and stopped the moment I heard that. I just knew we’d reach this stage.

When all these idiots are gone I will start up again. Defining idiots means the Board, her and CL and “helpers”.....

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3 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

What? :lol: 

 

3 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

What? :lol: 

You are hard at it,laughing at every question anybody is asking on here on every thread.Have a night off instead of taking over.

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1 hour ago, Zlatanable said:

I dunno if you are correct here, or completely wrong. 

But I want to believe that Hearts fans are Hearts fans first,

I’ve no doubt he is a fan but he has got himself into a good position and I think the whole set-up between the foundation and the board is too cosy and not good!

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3 hours ago, Peebo said:

The whole set up is weird. Most of the board are actually non-Exec. The one exec member on the board with defined responsibility for the footballing side is also our manager.

 

Levein is only leaving if he decides to. There isn’t really a mechanism to get him out otherwise. 

What you are saying in this post should have most fans feeling really uncomfortable with that set up.  What are the numbers when it comes to exec and non exec?

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3 hours ago, FruitJuice said:

What you are saying in this post should have most fans feeling really uncomfortable with that set up.  What are the numbers when it comes to exec and non exec?

 

That's the nature of it though when you have what is effectively a sole owner in Budge. 

Once the ownership changes hands to the FoH next year then it will be a different structure where I imagine the FoH board will basically be the club board.

As someone else pointed out in here, reducing or suspending your pledge does nothing much aside from potentially delaying the takeover - if anything increasing your pledge may make the takeover happen quicker. 

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Not sure if it’s been posted but does anyone have a list of board members and their current roles? Absolutely unacceptable that we have got into a situation that our manager is on the board.

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4 minutes ago, Mort said:

Thanks. 

 

Eric Hogg was her old business partner I believe? 

I thought the word business is superfluous in that statement, but I could be wrong.

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1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

I thought the word business is superfluous in that statement, but I could be wrong.

Not particularly but just interested to see the backgrounds of the individuals on the board.

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To be fair I emailed them after the Hamilton match and got a reply from Stuart Wallace within a couple of hours.

 

i think they are fully aware of the fans opinions on CL at this time. 

 

Unfortunately I suspect they won’t put out any controversial communications without first speaking to AB so there’s no chance of anything getting out there. Personally I think an email to all members asking them not to reduce their pledges during this difficult time and advising that they have made representations to the club board about the current unacceptable situation would at least let people know that they were making noises. It wouldn’t necessarily need to be detailed just enough to say they understood the fans feelings and had conveyed that to AB. 

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1 minute ago, Allowayjambo1874 said:

To be fair I emailed them after the Hamilton match and got a reply from Stuart Wallace within a couple of hours.

 

i think they are fully aware of the fans opinions on CL at this time. 

 

Unfortunately I suspect they won’t put out any controversial communications without first speaking to AB so there’s no chance of anything getting out there. Personally I think an email to all members asking them not to reduce their pledges during this difficult time and advising that they have made representations to the club board about the current unacceptable situation would at least let people know that they were making noises. It wouldn’t necessarily need to be detailed just enough to say they understood the fans feelings and had conveyed that to AB. 

That’s the issue sadly.

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I understand that the FoH reps on the HMFC board can't break ranks with the rest of the HMFC board. However, the FoH as an organisation could at the very least issue a statement acknowledging the concerns of FoH subscribers. Maybe an FoH EGM could be called if their constitution / governance allows this.

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10 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

No.Not at all what I had in mind. Just that the FoH representatives on the club board should try to represent the views of FOH members and fans generally. For a fan ownership movement that doesn't seem to me unreasonable.But maybe I have got the whole fan ownership idea I signed onto wrong.

 

 

That tesco/dwarf post wasnt aimed at you btw. I was texting a mate and had copied and pasted blah blah was drunk etc etc.

 

Sorry again.

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13 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

I understand that the FoH reps on the HMFC board can't break ranks with the rest of the HMFC board. However, the FoH as an organisation could at the very least issue a statement acknowledging the concerns of FoH subscribers. Maybe an FoH EGM could be called if their constitution / governance allows this.

What purpose would that statement serve though? An EGM  can be called but that usually requires a high threshold of members to back it. The mechanism will be in the constitution. 

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7 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

What purpose would that statement serve though? An EGM  can be called but that usually requires a high threshold of members to back it. The mechanism will be in the constitution. 

It's 5% of the membership, so something approaching 400.

 

It would be an extremely difficult task if you don't have access to a list of members and their contact details.

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4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

It's 5% of the membership, so something approaching 400.

 

It would be an extremely difficult task if you don't have access to a list of members and their contact details.

Less than I thought. An EGM at the moment would be an interesting meeting, that's for sure. 

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3 minutes ago, farin said:

Hopefully this is all sorted without the need for any FoH intervention, the decision is in 1 persons hands. However uncomfortable it may be she simply has to put the good of the club above any friendship or loyalty & act now. 

Ab needs to listen to the fans now,the manager is well past his sell by date,maybe she is as well,the football side of the club has

Been shocking for a long period now,the buck stops with her,no one else!

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1 minute ago, ford donald said:

Ab needs to listen to the fans now,the manager is well past his sell by date,maybe she is as well,the football side of the club has

Been shocking for a long period now,the buck stops with her,no one else!

She will definitely stay until the handover but this will certainly test her desire/willingness to stay on, in some capacity, afterwards. 

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9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

It's 5% of the membership, so something approaching 400.

 

It would be an extremely difficult task if you don't have access to a list of members and their contact details.

I think it would not be that difficult must be a couple of thousand FoH subscribers on kickback. Purely guesswork by me mind.

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See if people want FoH board to do something? Contact them. What I found/find funny is the thread title “and where is FoH?” Just sounds pompous and silly. Besides, the OP is FoH, I’m FoH the majority commenting are FoH. The FoH board? They are where they always are, at the end of an email of letter. 

 

People are obviously a bit raw right now, so I’ll try and go easy on the smilies. Remember though, people deal with misery and grievance in different ways. Doesn’t make me any less concerned or less of a supporter. 👍

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4 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

She will definitely stay until the handover but this will certainly test her desire/willingness to stay on, in some capacity, afterwards. 

Budge has done some wonderful things since she stepped into Tynecastle and she will rightly be remembered and thanked for her hard work. I'm sure she never envisaged what is currently happening at the club and this may well make her think it's time to move on however, it has been blatantly obvious for months that Levein is not able to do the job he was employed to do.

 

Why Budge has not acted and swung the axe is beyond belief, at a time when the club requires strong leadership, she has not delivered.

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