Shanks said no Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Major changes are being discussed around the George IV Bridge/High Street some artists impressions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Another chance for them to stick the boot into the motorist. Ridiculous proposal and complete waste of money. Its time these tossers actually spent some money on decent facilities for the residents rather than the tourists. We are crying out for a decent size indoor music venue for big events and not some half baked rehash of the Ross Bandstand that is no use in the middle of winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robroy1874 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Must be so inconvenient for the Council actually having permanent residents wanting to move around in Edinburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, robroy1874 said: Must be so inconvenient for the Council actually having permanent residents wanting to move around in Edinburgh 100,000 increase in population over 20 years is the inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 How about doing something about the state of the roads outside the city centre? The ones a scheme like this will throw more traffic onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Those pictures don't really suggest much change other than the bit outside Doctors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, frankblack said: Another chance for them to stick the boot into the motorist. Ridiculous proposal and complete waste of money. Its time these tossers actually spent some money on decent facilities for the residents rather than the tourists. We are crying out for a decent size indoor music venue for big events and not some half baked rehash of the Ross Bandstand that is no use in the middle of winter. What can they actually do to make it better for motorist it's horrendous as it is just now driving in Edinburgh.Its an old city and the infrastructure just isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, Lemongrab said: How about doing something about the state of the roads outside the city centre? The ones a scheme like this will throw more traffic onto. All the edinburgh folk over the years who used to live centrally .now pushed to the outskirts, are becoming the forgotten people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Seems pretty much every City is doing the same https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/cities-going-car-free-ban-2018-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Should really be spending money on the massive housing crisis rather than tarting up the areas around the posh schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennedy Bakircioglu Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I'm Edinburgh born and bred. Love the suggested changes. I'd ban all car driving in the city centre. Get a bus, cycle, tram etc. People above moaning, stop being so selfish and find alternative methods of getting into the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Those pictures don't really suggest much change other than the bit outside Doctors? more than Forrest Road, Harry Potter World getting a step closer The Edinburgh City Centre Transformation document will be considered by councillors on Thursday. The strategy has been published after about 80% of locals backed the vision in the second round of public consultation. High Street closed As part of the strategy, Cockburn Street, Forrest Road, Victoria Street, Waverley Bridge and Lawnmarket will close to traffic - while Bank Street will be shut except for buses and taxis and Candlemaker Row will only be open to buses. The High Street is also set to be closed to traffic between North Bridge and St Mary's Street. The strategy also includes proposals for "reallocation of traffic lanes" on a host of streets including Cowgate, the Bridges corridor, Lothian Road, St Andrew Square and Princes Street. Forrest Road will close to traffic completely People and cycles have priority at George IV Bridge at Bedlam Theatre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: What can they actually do to make it better for motorist it's horrendous as it is just now driving in Edinburgh.Its an old city and the infrastructure just isn't there. Exactly. Anyone who takes their car into the city centre are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Victoria St Waverley Bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Where are they getting the money to do all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said: more than Forrest Road, Harry Potter World getting a step closer The Edinburgh City Centre Transformation document will be considered by councillors on Thursday. The strategy has been published after about 80% of locals backed the vision in the second round of public consultation. High Street closed As part of the strategy, Cockburn Street, Forrest Road, Victoria Street, Waverley Bridge and Lawnmarket will close to traffic - while Bank Street will be shut except for buses and taxis and Candlemaker Row will only be open to buses. The High Street is also set to be closed to traffic between North Bridge and St Mary's Street. The strategy also includes proposals for "reallocation of traffic lanes" on a host of streets including Cowgate, the Bridges corridor, Lothian Road, St Andrew Square and Princes Street. Forrest Road will close to traffic completely People and cycles have priority at George IV Bridge at Bedlam Theatre BBC scotland article on 6/9/19 The strategy has been published after about 80% of locals backed the vision in the second round of public consultation CeC’s own paper accessed via Twitter yesterday on progressing the plan This (2nd consultation) saw almost 80% of more than 3000 respondents agreeing with aims to reduce number etc etc Reading the BBC version implies that these proposals are backed by 80% of locals; by inference Edinburgh’s total population! *0% of 3000 is 2400 which represent 0.6% of Edinburgh's population!!!! Looking at the plans for the Mound unless this include removal of bus stops then traffic will back-up behind stopped buses as there is no room to overtake. More congestion and pollution. This is the CeC adopting another vanity project like the trams. Other cities are doing it so our "visionaries" want to do it too! Edited September 7, 2019 by Stuart Lyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Introduce a tax where if you press your car, bus, lorry, van, taxi, horn there is a £100 fine. After 3 you are banned from driving in the city unless you pay a £10k release fee. Exemptions if you can prove you were saving a life by doing so. Preventing giving yourself a heart attack or aneurysm doesn't count. Invest in a monorail. Might lose world heritage status though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Motorways on stilts - it’s the way forward. Who wants to live in a medieval city built centuries before motorised transport? Edited September 7, 2019 by FWJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Major changes are being discussed around the George IV Bridge/High Street some artists impressions How come artists impressions never have jakeys wearing old suit jackets along with tracky bottoms and shoes or fat gits with single crutches clinging onto their Greggs bag for dear life in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Looks great. About time we invested in more civic spaces. George Street especially could be a gem in the summer. As could Waverley Bridge, which is currently a complete mess. Should be looking to get more of the private gardens opened up too. What they've done in St Andrew Square is tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Kennedy Bakircioglu said: People above moaning, stop being so selfish and find alternative methods of getting into the city. Or stop going into the city. This will leave more room for students and tourists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, been here before said: How come artists impressions never have jakeys wearing old suit jackets along with tracky bottoms and shoes or fat gits with single crutches clinging onto their Greggs bag for dear life in them? Or pishing with rain and blowing a gale like it is for a fair chunk of the time. The picture wouldn't look so great with some lycra clad meanace being blown sidey-ways and wiping out an old wifie struggling against the monsoon with an inside-out brolly. Reality doesn't sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, FWJ said: Motorways on stilts - it’s the way forward. Who wants to live in a medieval city built centuries before motorised transport? The thing is what the hell does the city do? How do you make a medieval town centre fit for purpose in any generation? I sympathise with councillors, when they aren't wasting money. Edited September 7, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Should be looking to get more of the private gardens opened up too. Why? These are the folk who live in the Newtown townhouses' gardens. I'd sure as **** object if the council opened my private garden up for jakeys to lie about in with their tap aff and staffies to shite in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: The thing is what the hell does the city do? How do you make a medieval town centre fit for purpose in any generation? I sympathise with councillors, when they aren't wasting money. Exactly. Edinburgh was not built for cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 They would actually be better starting to get the already pedestrianised streets like Rose Street up to scratch. The surface there is terrible with the tiles sunken in places. Open up Charlotte Sq to the public just like St Andrews Sq as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Why the obsession with trees and foliage in what should be an urban environment? - George Street is being turned into some sort of linear garden centre, to be repeated in the old town it seems. The city streets should be urban with separate parks and gardens providing a contrast. As it is St Andrews Square has been converted into an extended tacky coffee shop. The heritage we have is an unplanned medieval town of high density high rise buildings, as intensely and uncompromisingly urban as anywhere but blessedly not far from open spaces . The new town is one of the best planned Georgian townscapes in Europe or anywhere with broad streets lined by beautiful stone buildings with uncluttered lines and vistas, with separate gardens (which should of course be opened to the public … but as they are - a contrasting oasis in the urban scene). By all means control traffic but "beautify" the bits of the city that most need it … largely outside the old and new towns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Why? These are the folk who live in the Newtown townhouses' gardens. I'd sure as **** object if the council opened my private garden up for jakeys to lie about in with their tap aff and staffies to shite in. I have rarely seen anyone in the New Town gardens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Debut 4 said: All the edinburgh folk over the years who used to live centrally .now pushed to the outskirts, are becoming the forgotten people. Nailed it bud. 2 hours ago, Kennedy Bakircioglu said: I'd ban all car driving in the city centre. stop being so selfish 54 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Or stop going into the city. This will leave more room for students and tourists. The clowncil dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: They would actually be better starting to get the already pedestrianised streets like Rose Street up to scratch. The surface there is terrible with the tiles sunken in places. Open up Charlotte Sq to the public just like St Andrews Sq as well. Agreed. Always deserted except during the book festival. But please no tacky coffee shop structure which would be even more of an eyesore in the relatively unspoilt Charlotte Square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Sorry to be a smarmy pedant about this - but it’s St Andrew Sq. It’s up there with “Princess Street” Sorry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 While it’s a lovely idea to have all these pretty open spaces with trees and no traffic it seems to have been ignored that we live in a cold, wet and windy place most of the year. The council have already clogged the city up with the widening of pavements, replacing roundabouts with lights, bus lanes, etc. This is just an expensive extension to that. It’s all very well saying that folk with cars should use public transport but that is a rose tinted view. Public transport is slow, unreliable and relatively expensive. It takes me 30 mins to drive to work in the city (leaving at daft o’clock to avoid gridlock..) but it takes about 75 mins on public transport. I have zero intention of using public transport when it would add an extra 7.5hrs a week to my commute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, skinnybob72 said: While it’s a lovely idea to have all these pretty open spaces with trees and no traffic it seems to have been ignored that we live in a cold, wet and windy place most of the year. The council have already clogged the city up with the widening of pavements, replacing roundabouts with lights, bus lanes, etc. This is just an expensive extension to that. It’s all very well saying that folk with cars should use public transport but that is a rose tinted view. Public transport is slow, unreliable and relatively expensive. It takes me 30 mins to drive to work in the city (leaving at daft o’clock to avoid gridlock..) but it takes about 75 mins on public transport. I have zero intention of using public transport when it would add an extra 7.5hrs a week to my commute. I wouldn’t say public transport in Edinburgh is ‘slow, unreliable or relatively expensive’ TBH. The thing is, if everyone wanted to drive to their work in Edinburgh then the city could not function. Which parts of the city centre would we knock down to build faster, wider roads and more car parks? The Abercrombie and Plumstead plan for Edinburgh is a bit of an eye-opener. Motorway on stilts by Princes Street Gardens, high level fly over from Leith Street up to the Pleasance etc. But if people want faster, easier driving through central Edinburgh what are we to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Disappointed at the lack of tram tracks in those images Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Exactly. Anyone who takes their car into the city centre are stupid. Its a lottery anyway, roads closed, roadworks, best not to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Kennedy Bakircioglu said: I'm Edinburgh born and bred. Love the suggested changes. I'd ban all car driving in the city centre. Get a bus, cycle, tram etc. People above moaning, stop being so selfish and find alternative methods of getting into the city. Better still don’t go into the city. I rarely do now. Parking is a nightmare and expensive. I’ve a bus pass but there are just a good shops on the outskirts and you can do lots of shopping of shopping on line with very good delivery times and it’s more often than not free. Edinburgh is more and more geared and designed for the tourist. As much as I’d initially balked at the thought of imposing a tourist tax based on this article I introduce it and let the tourist pick up the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Its a lottery anyway, roads closed, roadworks, best not to try it. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: I have rarely seen anyone in the New Town gardens. Probably because they're private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: You can download a PDF of the plans so far, here. http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/connectingplaces/downloads/file/18/city_centre_transformation_delivery_plan Funding Strategy A number of meetings were held during the preparation of this Delivery Plan to set out an overall strategy in relation to how the Programme would be funded. 7.2.1 Phase 1 Phase 1 of the CCT programme includes the projects that are currently at varying stages of development, which will span across the first five years of the programme. These projects are expected to be funded from a mixture of developer contributions, match funding grants from Sustrans and the Council’s Capital Programme. George Street and First New Town and Charlotte Square both have identified funding gaps of £12.3m and £1.3m respectively. Funding for these projects will be considered as part of the transport capital allocation process for 2020 onwards. 7.2.2 Phase 2 Currently, funding for around £0.5m of feasibility and design studies have been agreed with Sustrans. As of July 2019, confirmation of funding to carry out feasibility studies for Leith Street to Jeffrey Street, Pedestrian Priority Zone and Lothian Road has been received. The studies will be fully funded by Places for Everyone (Sustrans). Further submissions to Sustrans are to be made for the remaining £1.0m of feasibility studies. 7.2.3 Phase 3 A number of working assumptions were made during this phase for strategy-setting purpose. The following options for potential sources of funding were identified: Developer Contributions: Infrastructure projects arising as a result of growth within the city can be partially funded through the recouping of funds from developers. Capital Programme: Future realignment of the Council’s capital programme, along with any additional funding that may be made available to fund Council priorities. Strategic Transport Projects Review (STPR2): STPR 1, published in 2008, was a review of large-scale inter-regional transport projects that lead to funding for projects such as the Forth Replacement Crossing and the duelling of the A9. 2018 saw agreement that a second review would take place, and it is expected that bids for elements of CCT will be made. Sustrans / Transport Scotland: Continuation of applications to Sustrans to receive match funded grants. Construction has previously been 50/50 match funded, however Sustrans / Transport Scotland now permit other relevant projects (publicly funded or otherwise) to be included as part of a wider funding pool to match their contributions. To ensure the Programme will be both deliverable and affordable, the sourcing of funds will be suitably phased in accordance during Project Set up. Research on potential additional funding contributors, including third-party, will continue throughout the Programme. Cost Management and Control Based on the established cost estimate, financial reviews at key decision points will be carried out regularly to ensure the Programme can be delivered within the agreed baseline budget and funds are available for the planned expenditure. Costs will be recorded on the Council’s financial system and monitored by the Commercial Manager. Costs will be reported back to the Programme Board on a monthly basis. All the expenditure will be closely monitored including the internal costs to ensure they are in line with the Programme baseline budget. Programme Cashflow A cashflow will be produced during the Programme Set Up phase taking account of all the expected funding from Sustrans and contributions from other parties. This cashflow will be monitored on a monthly basis and will be used to understand and manage the financial aspects of the Programme. Any changes to the cashflow will be agreed by the SMT prior to implementation and a record made of the changes and reason as to their implementation. Budget Update Procedure A detailed budget will be produced during the Programme Set Up phase to inform the cashflow. It will be monitored on a monthly basis in coordination with the cashflow. Any changes to the budget will be agreed by the SMT and a record made of the changes and reason as to their implementation. Budget and Cost Reporting Cost reporting will be performed as noted in the table below:... And the 'finalised strategy' is here, https://indd.adobe.com/view/8da3a6e5-94d7-436f-81ed-1b8b90049ed1 and EU funding.......................... oh wait!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Sounds great. Well done Edinburgh Council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Stuart Lyon said: BBC scotland article on 6/9/19 The strategy has been published after about 80% of locals backed the vision in the second round of public consultation CeC’s own paper accessed via Twitter yesterday on progressing the plan This (2nd consultation) saw almost 80% of more than 3000 respondents agreeing with aims to reduce number etc etc Reading the BBC version implies that these proposals are backed by 80% of locals; by inference Edinburgh’s total population! *0% of 3000 is 2400 which represent 0.6% of Edinburgh's population!!!! Looking at the plans for the Mound unless this include removal of bus stops then traffic will back-up behind stopped buses as there is no room to overtake. More congestion and pollution. This is the CeC adopting another vanity project like the trams. Other cities are doing it so our "visionaries" want to do it too! Suppose what you are implying is people should not rely too much on consulting. Although I don't know if the Council would do what they want anyway. The concern I have is whether they have tested the implications and knock on effects of the proposals. They have hired some 'expert' consultant. But previous history doesn't give complete confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Car tax for going into the City the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, benny said: Car tax for going into the City the way forward. more monies for the potless council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, skinnybob72 said: While it’s a lovely idea to have all these pretty open spaces with trees and no traffic it seems to have been ignored that we live in a cold, wet and windy place most of the year. The council have already clogged the city up with the widening of pavements, replacing roundabouts with lights, bus lanes, etc. This is just an expensive extension to that. It’s all very well saying that folk with cars should use public transport but that is a rose tinted view. Public transport is slow, unreliable and relatively expensive. It takes me 30 mins to drive to work in the city (leaving at daft o’clock to avoid gridlock..) but it takes about 75 mins on public transport. I have zero intention of using public transport when it would add an extra 7.5hrs a week to my commute. Don't know where in the city you live but I disagree completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: Have I heard of this before? Seems new to me. I doubtless missed it. So on Tuesday the council are voting on a binding acceptance of this plan? Need to keep a closer look on news if you are interested in Edinburgh. https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/13899/edinburgh-residents-call-visionary-solutions-majority-backs-traffic-reduction https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/should-edinburgh-city-centre-pedestrianised-15163996 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 hours ago, vegas-voss said: What can they actually do to make it better for motorist it's horrendous as it is just now driving in Edinburgh.Its an old city and the infrastructure just isn't there. They are actively engineering slowdowns in the road to obstruct motorists while not running any frequent bus services on same roads. Time for these clowns to ditch their vanity tram project and reverse the damage they have caused to the roads in the city. Princes Street is gridlock at rush hour as buses have to give way to these monstrosities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, benny said: Car tax for going into the City the way forward. How will that be collected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I've never understood all the moaning about the city being 'geared towards tourists'. Tacky souvenir shops and that, sure, they harm the city but generally why are things that are deemed as being "for tourists" not viewed as being good for locals too? Making more attractive public spaces and cutting down on traffic of course makes the city appealing to visitors but cleaner air and nice squares/streets are also there to be enjoyed by us Edinburgh folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, frankblack said: How will that be collected? In one of a number of ways it is collected in the many cities that have a congestion charge or charge for entering the city centre.. In London it is based on number plate recognition cameras controlling the entrance to a central zone. Other places use a pass that has to be displayed on your windscreen. In a city with a relatively compact centre like Edinburgh within the centre of which everything is walkable it would be a simple and painless exercise particularly if combined with enhanced park and ride facilities. Edited September 7, 2019 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, frankblack said: They are actively engineering slowdowns in the road to obstruct motorists while not running any frequent bus services on same roads. Time for these clowns to ditch their vanity tram project and reverse the damage they have caused to the roads in the city. Princes Street is gridlock at rush hour as buses have to give way to these monstrosities. Princes Street was ‘gridlock’ at rush hour 40 years ago too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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