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*****New Craig Levein Poll 31/08*****  

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  1. 1. Should craig Levein....

    • Remain in position as head coach and director of football
    • Leave/be removed from his role as head coach but remain at the club as Director of football
    • Leave/be removed from his role as director of football but remain at the club as head coach
    • Leave/be removed from the club completely


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amadjambo
On 10/09/2019 at 17:36, ToqueJambo said:

 

I predict a few loonies as this guarantees we'll win on Saturday. Did they learn nothing from the plane stunt?

Winning on Saturday won’t change the opinion of most that want Levein replaced.

 

Going on a run of wins that pushes us up to 3rd in the league and towards a trip to Hampden is required.

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1874robbo
28 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

What makes you think that?

 

Budge (and Levein) acted decisively and ruthlessly when they decided Locke and some of the layers should go.

 

When it was clear Cathro was not capable of turning things around, they acted quickly and again ruthlessly considering how close Levein and Cathro were.

 

There's no reason at all to think if it becomes clear we can't turn this around under Levein and co that Budge won't act quickly. 

 

I think the major difference with fans is some think he can't turn it around and some think he can or are at least willing to give him more than 4 league games.

I think the flaw in your argument there is the fact Levein done the firing.

you think he’ll fire himself?

Budge won’t pull that trigger as she leans far too heavily on Levein.

name someone else within the club who could be her go to person to get shot of Levein.

He is here until he decides it’s time.

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ToqueJambo
2 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

I think the flaw in your argument there is the fact Levein done the firing.

you think he’ll fire himself?

Budge won’t pull that trigger as she leans far too heavily on Levein.

name someone else within the club who could be her go to person to get shot of Levein.

He is here until he decides it’s time.

 

Well he didn't appoint himself so he probably won't fire himself. Whoever appointed him will do that. Personally I think it'll be a "mutual parting of the ways" if it comes to that and I think he will step back into a DoF type role at least for a transition period.

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ToqueJambo
11 minutes ago, amadjambo said:

Winning on Saturday won’t change the opinion of most that want Levein replaced.

 

Going on a run of wins that pushes us up to 3rd in the league and towards a trip to Hampden is required.

 

I agree, some have wanted him out from day 1. We're already one game away from Hampden so here's hoping.

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1874robbo
Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

Well he didn't appoint himself so he probably won't fire himself. Whoever appointed him will do that. Personally I think it'll be a "mutual parting of the ways" if it comes to that and I think he will step back into a DoF type role at least for a transition period.

I hope you’re right.

who said he didn’t appoint himself though?

none of us were privy to discussions at board level when he was appointed.

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ToqueJambo
Just now, 1874robbo said:

I hope you’re right.

who said he didn’t appoint himself though?

none of us were privy to discussions at board level when he was appointed.

 

He didn't apply. Budge asked (or told) him.

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1874robbo
Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

He didn't apply. Budge asked (or told) him.

I have no way to say that did or didn’t happen.

and unless you were there neither do you.

for all we know he maybe did offer to do the job before he was asked?

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ToqueJambo
3 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

I have no way to say that did or didn’t happen.

and unless you were there neither do you.

for all we know he maybe did offer to do the job before he was asked?

 

She said the board asked him. Kind of like when your boss asks you to work Saturday. He's not really *asking*. He's also on record as saying he didn't really want to be a manager again. That's why I didn't want him to get the job and I still think it's motivation that's the problem now. Players want to play for someone who really wants to succeed themselves as a manager, eg Robbie Neilson got way more from his players than I think Levein does.

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1874robbo
3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

She said the board asked him. Kind of like when your boss asks you to work Saturday. He's not really *asking*. He's also on record as saying he didn't really want to be a manager again. That's why I didn't want him to get the job and I still think it's motivation that's the problem now. Players want to play for someone who really wants to succeed themselves as a manager, eg Robbie Neilson got way more from his players than I think Levein does.

Yeh you could be right mate.

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Pasquale for King
47 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

But not in the first league game.

Indeed so what was the point of not trying that formation? We were crap until we changed it when Naismith came on though. 

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Pasquale for King
51 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Right so Levein's not the dictator we're told he is? Getting confused now. So where's the worry that he won't be sacked if form doesn't improve? Clearly if we're still bottom in 3 weeks or so he'll be sacked.

The worry stems from the fact he’s still in the job, but I hope you’re right in that the board will sack him.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I'm being serious. When did seasons start running into each other? This is a new thing.

 

Managers do not get, and have never had, a clean slate in summer. It’s not year zero. Levein has a track record and it’s absolutely dismal. We’ve started this season poorly and much as you’d like to, you cannot just erase what’s gone before.

 

In the same way that you wouldn’t erase the cup final if he’d won it. Which he didn’t.

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tcjambo

If we see no improvement by end of of October I will change my vote from 1st to 2nd option. We need to see real progress now that the deadwood has been cut and this is unequivocally CL's team.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
2 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

If we see no improvement by end of of October I will change my vote from 1st to 2nd option. We need to see real progress now that the deadwood has been cut and this is unequivocally CL's team.

 

God damn, this is what I’m talking about :Facepalm:

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ToqueJambo
1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

Managers do not get, and have never had, a clean slate in summer. It’s not year zero. Levein has a track record and it’s absolutely dismal. We’ve started this season poorly and much as you’d like to, you cannot just erase what’s gone before.

 

In the same way that you wouldn’t erase the cup final if he’d won it. Which he didn’t.

 

In this case I looked at how he did start last season and the injuries we had and the recruitment in summer and decided he deserves this season which, no matter how folk are trying to make it just a continuation of last season, is a completely new season with new players - not just in our team - and new managers and teams to play against. That said if things don't turn around the next few games I'll want a change, no different to when it became clear we weren't going to improve under Cathro.

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FruitJuice
43 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Well he didn't appoint himself so he probably won't fire himself. Whoever appointed him will do that. Personally I think it'll be a "mutual parting of the ways" if it comes to that and I think he will step back into a DoF type role at least for a transition period.

Will Levein go back and do the DOF role part time or full time? If it can be done part time just now, why the need to do it full time then?  

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ToqueJambo
1 minute ago, FruitJuice said:

Will Levein go back and do the DOF role part time or full time? If it can be done part time just now, why the need to do it full time then?  

 

Why not go to the next AGM and ask?

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FruitJuice
Just now, ToqueJambo said:

 

Why not go to the next AGM and ask?

It seems he wont need to do it full time if it isn't necessary now. If it requires someone doing it full time, why isn't that happening now? What do you think? 

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ToqueJambo
Just now, FruitJuice said:

It seems he wont need to do it full time if it isn't necessary now. If it requires someone doing it full time, why isn't that happening now? What do you think? 

 

I think you're obsessed with Craig Levein!

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FruitJuice
2 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Why not go to the next AGM and ask?

We'll all just go to the agm and ask nothing on here then.  You get really defensive if folk question anything that isn't the party line.  There was nothing wrong with what I asked.

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FruitJuice
1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I think you're obsessed with Craig Levein!

The usual response.  I'm asking about the DOF role.  You seem to be obsessed with being an irritating imbecile.  

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ToqueJambo
Just now, FruitJuice said:

The usual response.  I'm asking about the DOF role.  You seem to be obsessed with being an irritating imbecile.  

 

How would I know if it'll be part time or full time? Depends on what Budge and/or he wants him to do next doesn't it? These things evolve. The club has different priorities from when he first took the DoF role.

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tcjambo
13 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

God damn, this is what I’m talking about :Facepalm:

I pay no attention to what you ever think.

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
1 minute ago, tcjambo said:

I pay no attention to what you ever think.

 

You should man, I’ve been right about this for ages.

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FruitJuice
1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

How would I know if it'll be part time or full time? Depends on what Budge and/or he wants him to do next doesn't it? These things evolve. The club has different priorities from when he first took the DoF role.

Asking about the structure of the club isn't obsessed with Craig levein, I'm.obsessed with us doing well.

Where in my previous posts can you see my obsession with Levein?  

I think if it can be done part time now, it can be done part time then.  Different priorities? What are they? 

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Cruickshank for Scotland
15 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I think you're obsessed with Craig Levein!

 

Oh the irony!!!  You’re over JKB like a rash when anybody questions Levein!! 😂😂😂😂😂

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FruitJuice
12 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

 

Oh the irony!!!  You’re over JKB like a rash when anybody questions Levein!! 😂😂😂😂😂

 

12 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

 

Oh the irony!!!  You’re over JKB like a rash when anybody questions Levein!! 😂😂😂😂😂

I.thought it was a decent question.  If he doesn't know, why say anything?  If fans do protest on Saturday,  I cant wait to see him on here...  are we waiting to see if Craig levein decides what he wants to do?  If that's the case, he really has got a free range at the the club without the success to have earned it.  

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busby1985

Craig Levein at the youth game vs Celtic last Tuesday at Lennoxtown was telling anyone who asked that he was going nowhere and that the fans singing for him to leave would be soon singing his name. I hope his team and tactics on Saturday are as bullish. 

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Smithee
2 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Craig Levein at the youth game vs Celtic last Tuesday at Lennoxtown was telling anyone who asked that he was going nowhere and that the fans singing for him to leave would be soon singing his name. I hope his team and tactics on Saturday are as bullish. 

 

I hope he's right

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busby1985
Just now, Smithee said:

 

I hope he's right

Who wouldn’t? 

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Pasquale for King
2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

What are you on about? You said the past season is an indicator of this one. Experience should tell you that's not how football works. I've been consistent in that I think injuries ruined last season and I think Levein deserves a chance to turn it around in his last year of his contract. I also think our recruitment has been outstanding this summer and again that's down to Levein. I'm not a big Levein fan - didn't want him to get the head coach job and didn't especially enjoy his previous time in charge - I just think he deserves a chance to turn things around as he was unlucky last season after the start we had. I don't have a time limit but I'll know if I want him out when I want him out. Haven't got there yet but am close. I'll let you know.

So he deserves longer because we had a good start to last season, but every season is different and is reset with no hangover from the last one? Which is it? That’s what I’m on about? You can’t have it both ways.

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1874robbo
58 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

In this case I looked at how he did start last season and the injuries we had and the recruitment in summer and decided he deserves this season which, no matter how folk are trying to make it just a continuation of last season, is a completely new season with new players - not just in our team - and new managers and teams to play against. That said if things don't turn around the next few games I'll want a change, no different to when it became clear we weren't going to improve under Cathro.

you said you’d give him this season as he deserves it yet you’ve also said if things don’t turn around the next few games you’ll want change.

You are all over the place here!

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Pasquale for King
10 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Craig Levein at the youth game vs Celtic last Tuesday at Lennoxtown was telling anyone who asked that he was going nowhere and that the fans singing for him to leave would be soon singing his name. I hope his team and tactics on Saturday are as bullish. 

What a delusional man.

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ToqueJambo
1 minute ago, 1874robbo said:

you said you’d give him this season as he deserves it yet you’ve also said if things don’t turn around the next few games you’ll want change.

You are all over the place here!

 

Yeah I said last season I'd keep him in charge for this season. Now I'm saying he needs to turn things around sharpish which I think he will.

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Agentjambo
Just now, Pasquale for King said:

What a delusional man.

The ego has landed...hes really starting to annoy me now.

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ToqueJambo
37 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

 

Oh the irony!!!  You’re over JKB like a rash when anybody questions Levein!! 😂😂😂😂😂

 

I'm questioning his motivation myself on here. And before that I questioned why he allowed Cathro to overhaul the squad the way he did. Also questioned whether or not he tried hard enough to keep Neilson on board. Also question his approach to away games against the OF. Still think he can turn around our form with more luck with injuries this year. 

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innerjambo
3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I'm questioning his motivation myself on here. And before that I questioned why he allowed Cathro to overhaul the squad the way he did. Also questioned whether or not he tried hard enough to keep Neilson on board. Also question his approach to away games against the OF. Still think he can turn around our form with more luck with injuries this year. 

 

He won't, because he doesn't know how to. Watch this space......

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1874robbo
5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I'm questioning his motivation myself on here. And before that I questioned why he allowed Cathro to overhaul the squad the way he did. Also questioned whether or not he tried hard enough to keep Neilson on board. Also question his approach to away games against the OF. Still think he can turn around our form with more luck with injuries this year. 

You’re questioning quite a lot of things in a head coach you want to keep.

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Cruickshank for Scotland
7 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I'm questioning his motivation myself on here. And before that I questioned why he allowed Cathro to overhaul the squad the way he did. Also questioned whether or not he tried hard enough to keep Neilson on board. Also question his approach to away games against the OF. Still think he can turn around our form with more luck with injuries this year. 

 

I am total agreement with the questions you have raised.

As a result I want him out of Hearts - you on the other hand defend him to the hilt!

Strange....🤔 

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Cruickshank for Scotland
6 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

You’re questioning quite a lot of things in a head coach you want to keep.

 

He’s all over the place! 😂

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ToqueJambo
Just now, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

 

I am total agreement with the questions you have raised.

As a result I want him out of Hearts - you on the other hand defend him to the hilt!

Strange....🤔 

 

No I defend him as someone who I think is capable of turning things around, because as an experienced manager he can. Put it this way, if he's sacked tomorrow McPhee and Daly would be in charge probably for quite a few weeks. I've been consistent that I'd rather we take our time finding the next manager during this, Levein's last season. We've not started well but I've seen Hearts not start well then turn things around many times. Obviously if we're bottom in a few weeks he'll be gone, as manager at least. Right now, still in the LC with a winnable home tie between us and Hampden and just 4 league games in, I think he can turn things around with the very good squad that he has built.

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ToqueJambo
7 minutes ago, 1874robbo said:

You’re questioning quite a lot of things in a head coach you want to keep.

 

I don't want to sack him 4 games into the league season. There's a difference.

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Paul Shark
1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I think you're obsessed with Craig Levein!

He has a good point though.

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1874robbo
4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I don't want to sack him 4 games into the league season. There's a difference.

But you do after 7?

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ToqueJambo
1 minute ago, 1874robbo said:

But you do after 7?

 

I wanted Cathro to start the new season after he'd had a pre season etc, etc. Then I wanted him gone when it became very clear he wasn't up to the job. It'll be no different with Levein. The difference is Levein is an experienced manager who has been a good manager and could be again. Cathro wasn't. 

Edited by ToqueJambo

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Pasquale for King
20 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

The ego has landed...hes really starting to annoy me now.

His interviews do my head in, hardly ever his fault and thinks he’s bombproof. He’s had an easy ride so far, I think that’s going to change from now on.

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1874robbo
1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

I wanted Cathro to start the new season after he'd had a pre season etc, etc. Then I wanted him gone when it became very clear he wasn't up to the job. It'll be no different to Levein.

Why do you persist in believing that everyone wants rid of Levein because of these first 4 games.

this  goes back to last season for most of the people I know myself included.

this isn’t a knee jerk reaction from me for this season.

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FruitJuice
9 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

No I defend him as someone who I think is capable of turning things around, because as an experienced manager he can. Put it this way, if he's sacked tomorrow McPhee and Daly would be in charge probably for quite a few weeks. I've been consistent that I'd rather we take our time finding the next manager during this, Levein's last season. We've not started well but I've seen Hearts not start well then turn things around many times. Obviously if we're bottom in a few weeks he'll be gone, as manager at least. Right now, still in the LC with a winnable home tie between us and Hampden and just 4 league games in, I think he can turn things around with the very good squad that he has built.

Because he is an experienced manager? That should rule out McCann straight away then if he doesn't.  

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1874robbo
1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

His interviews do my head in, hardly ever his fault and thinks he’s bombproof. He’s had an easy ride so far, I think that’s going to change from now on.

He is bulletproof though.

most managers would have fell on their sword after Livingston. 

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Agentjambo
4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

His interviews do my head in, hardly ever his fault and thinks he’s bombproof. He’s had an easy ride so far, I think that’s going to change from now on.

Budge to blame for giving him too much control at the club...blind faith if you like.

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