Heartsofgold Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Ann Budge ponied up the money to save my club. That instantly makes her a legend in my eyes. Is she immune from criticism - No, no way. She's a smart business woman and can handle this. Has she made some mistakes - yes, yes she has. She will learn from them for the same reason as above. We are lucky to have this woman at our helm and long may it continue to be so as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Treasurer said: The manager has been fully backed by the board, if the manager fails to deliver this season, the board will take action. There is no doubt about that As CL is an executive member of the board do you expect him to act like a turkey and vote for Christmas? Hearts current Board https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/more/club/board Edited August 16, 2019 by 7628mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renoir Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I'm happy with the investment in the squad this window, simply cant criticize her of that. She has backed the manager (as the last few have been), so underachievement cannot be tagged with under investment in the squad. Overall running of the business is good, very rational and very clever to spot any revenue opportunities. I have three minor gripes- 1. The decision to hold a concert on the pitch which has effectively ruined our £1M pitch. 2. Investment in a woman team. When we are told about keeping the men's squad within our means, how can there be commercial benefit in running a woman's team? If indeed there there is a future commercial benefit like a youth team then that fine, but is there really any other benefit other than a PR/PC exercise? 3. Trying to make the club appear whiter than white. Anything which would show the club in a unfavorable light and there seems to be a statement for it. Surely certain matters can be dealt with in house rather than a PR exercise. Football clubs all have rouge elements to their support, but work with the support to remove these rather than putting out a statement which just bring further attention to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, 7628mm said: As CL is an executive member of the board do you expect him to act like a turkey and vote for Christmas? There are only 4 Executive directors which, if I am correct, means it gives the Owner CEO the casting vote if the vote is 2/2. This surely means that AB and CL currently have control of the board and as long as they vote together they cannot be beaten? I am of course open to correction from members of JKB who know better and can explain why. Hearts current Board https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/more/club/board Your arithmetic premise may be correct...but some of us have faith that Mrs Budge will do the best thing for the club regardless of the impact on CL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just now, Perth to Paisley said: Your arithmetic premise may be correct...but some of us have faith that Mrs Budge will do the best thing for the club regardless of the impact on CL. I think I may be wrong but am unable to edit the post down any more than I have. My mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 No complaints. Shes backed the management team superbly. Its up to them now. There’s no grey area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Prof said: Most supporters think they are expert tacticians .AB has been a supporter for a long time and as such will have as much football knowledge as anybody else sitting in the stands. Are you that Stu..... Forget it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a11ank Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think we are in really good hands at the moment. Hoping for a Glorious season ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: No complaints. Shes backed the management team superbly. Its up to them now. There’s no grey area. We are entering our 5th season back in the big time and we have been awful for over 4 of them which has been a very large "grey area" and as you say there is no (longer) a grey area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Meadows said: She has certainly nailed her colours to the mast as far as signings go this window. She has taken flak on occasion but deserves great credit for backing Levein despite the grief ( and performances) . Anyone else see this window as somewhat monumental? She would only back him as far as her budgets allow and it is now down to CL to produce the goods in terms of achieving the targets she has set for the Footballing Dept. If these are not achieved then he certainly can't say she hasn't backed him and he wasn't allowed to sign the players he wanted ( I am assuming here that we have not tried to get some that she has refused) so the onus is now firmly on him and his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said: Are you that Stu..... Forget it.... Thinking is not your strong point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAndrew Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: Ann Budge ponied up the money to save my club. That instantly makes her a legend in my eyes. Is she immune from criticism - No, no way. She's a smart business woman and can handle this. Has she made some mistakes - yes, yes she has. She will learn from them for the same reason as above. We are lucky to have this woman at our helm and long may it continue to be so as far as I'm concerned. This this this this this. Spot on. Beggers belief that anyone could have a go at her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, JamboAndrew said: This this this this this. Spot on. Beggers belief that anyone could have a go at her. Correct, & she’s now focusing on the football side of the business now, thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Meadows said: She has certainly nailed her colours to the mast as far as signings go this window. She has taken flak on occasion but deserves great credit for backing Levein despite the grief ( and performances) . Anyone else see this window as somewhat monumental? She certainly has backed Levein in a last chance saloon effort to get her manager to turn things around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, Renoir said: I'm happy with the investment in the squad this window, simply cant criticize her of that. She has backed the manager (as the last few have been), so underachievement cannot be tagged with under investment in the squad. Overall running of the business is good, very rational and very clever to spot any revenue opportunities. I have three minor gripes- 1. The decision to hold a concert on the pitch which has effectively ruined our £1M pitch. 2. Investment in a woman team. When we are told about keeping the men's squad within our means, how can there be commercial benefit in running a woman's team? If indeed there there is a future commercial benefit like a youth team then that fine, but is there really any other benefit other than a PR/PC exercise? 3. Trying to make the club appear whiter than white. Anything which would show the club in a unfavorable light and there seems to be a statement for it. Surely certain matters can be dealt with in house rather than a PR exercise. Football clubs all have rouge elements to their support, but work with the support to remove these rather than putting out a statement which just bring further attention to it. 1. The pitch is not ruined. See other thread. 2. Woman's football is growing. It will bring new revenue in time. 3. I think she has done more to highlight antisocial behavior then any other club. She is working with the fans to remove this element and just invested 100k in CCTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbulb Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Not only did she save us but she has excellent contacts in her network who have also helped us with funds for the new stand when we needed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, JamboAndrew said: This this this this this. Spot on. Beggers belief that anyone could have a go at her. Problem is, with the one-dimensional thinking on here at times, any criticism is rounded on by some. As the guy up the page said however, she can, and will have to, handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 For me, and many others, it's all about the big picture and I think that all the patience that's been required since she began rebuilding our club is about to be rewarded. Good/poor squads and managers come and go, but Heart of Midlothian has never had a foundation as solid as we have now. As strong as the auld castle rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) On paper it’s been a great window but it will only be monumental if/when performances improve. I think Whelan is just what we need. Delighted with signing a keeper. Meshino IF WP granted looks very good on you tube. Im excited and optimistic BUT..... Edited August 16, 2019 by Jamhammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, I.T.K said: 1. The pitch is not ruined. See other thread. 2. Woman's football is growing. It will bring new revenue in time. 3. I think she has done more to highlight antisocial behavior then any other club. She is working with the fans to remove this element and just invested 100k in CCTV. Thanks for saving me the effort of replying! Can I just add to point 2 the word "inclusivity" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Rock Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Meadows said: She has certainly nailed her colours to the mast as far as signings go this window. She has taken flak on occasion but deserves great credit for backing Levein despite the grief ( and performances) . Anyone else see this window as somewhat monumental? Agree 100%, i think and hope that this as a club shows we are stronger than we ever have been. The future is Maroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Prof said: Thinking is not your strong point Righto Prof. You've cut me to the quick. 😭😭😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novoman Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Her latest venture, if you call it a venture is the 1874 bar. Its about to get refurbished, with a interior designer coming in next week. The plan is new soft furnishings, more shelving and seating . To make it more accessible out-with football days / nights. Good shout and more forward thinking. Edited August 16, 2019 by novoman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D. Corners Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, novoman said: Her latest venture, if you call it a venture is the 1874 bar. Its about to get refurbished, with a interior designer coming in next week. The plan is new soft furnishings, more shelving and seating . To make it more accessible out-with football days / nights. Good shout and more forward thinking. You mean she got the design all wrong and forgot to order seating. 😉 Good to hear. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Walker Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: For me, and many others, it's all about the big picture and I think that all the patience that's been required since she began rebuilding our club is about to be rewarded. Good/poor squads and managers come and go, but Heart of Midlothian has never had a foundation as solid as we have now. As strong as the auld castle rock! This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, DG_HMFC said: Ann Budge is the best thing to ever happen at our club. The job she has done in building the business and growing our reputation overseas shouldn't be underestimated. Absolutely this. New stand. New pitch. Profitable. The lady has been a revelatoin. Results and performances need to get better, but when was the last time Man Utd were getting in touch with us to see if we need anything? My glass is edging towards half full again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Renoir said: I'm happy with the investment in the squad this window, simply cant criticize her of that. She has backed the manager (as the last few have been), so underachievement cannot be tagged with under investment in the squad. Overall running of the business is good, very rational and very clever to spot any revenue opportunities. I have three minor gripes- 1. The decision to hold a concert on the pitch which has effectively ruined our £1M pitch. 2. Investment in a woman team. When we are told about keeping the men's squad within our means, how can there be commercial benefit in running a woman's team? If indeed there there is a future commercial benefit like a youth team then that fine, but is there really any other benefit other than a PR/PC exercise? 3. Trying to make the club appear whiter than white. Anything which would show the club in a unfavorable light and there seems to be a statement for it. Surely certain matters can be dealt with in house rather than a PR exercise. Football clubs all have rouge elements to their support, but work with the support to remove these rather than putting out a statement which just bring further attention to it. 1. Pitch not ruined 2. Excellent investment benefitting the business as a whole. 3. That's what we should be aiming for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, boag1874 said: Put it this way, would you rather have Mrs Budge in charge or some vulture like Peruvian Ron/Mike Ashley. In my entire life the club has never been so well run and the rewards are just about starting to show with the quality acquisitions we’ve made this window. As has been said she couldn’t have backed Craig any more so its now fully on him to get his act together and sort it out. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, I.T.K said: 1. The pitch is not ruined. See other thread. 2. Woman's football is growing. It will bring new revenue in time. 3. I think she has done more to highlight antisocial behavior then any other club. She is working with the fans to remove this element and just invested 100k in CCTV. I have avoided this place for a bit because I can't be arsed with folk only interested in having a pop at the club so thanks for saving me the trouble responding to that nonsense post. PS I saw the pitch on Wednesday and it looks fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: AB is nothing short of sensational. Surely she will be on the Queens Birthday honours list soon. I was going to make the same point and each time they are announced I look to see what she has received and every time- nothing must be holding out for a biggie Edited August 16, 2019 by The Frenchman Returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Perth to Paisley said: Thanks for saving me the effort of replying! Can I just add to point 2 the word "inclusivity" Point 2 you could extend to pretty much every pro club will be that way plus be a condition of football licence eventually. Edited August 16, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, GorgieRules22 said: She does a great job and we’re lucky to have her.....However her friendship with Craig Levein can be the only reason as to why he’s still on a job. Not a good situation as football matters at the club have falling off a cliff. This is gross exaggeration. Hate you see how you would react if we really in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnomarooned Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Renoir said: I'm happy with the investment in the squad this window, simply cant criticize her of that. She has backed the manager (as the last few have been), so underachievement cannot be tagged with under investment in the squad. Overall running of the business is good, very rational and very clever to spot any revenue opportunities. I have three minor gripes- 1. The decision to hold a concert on the pitch which has effectively ruined our £1M pitch. 2. Investment in a woman team. When we are told about keeping the men's squad within our means, how can there be commercial benefit in running a woman's team? If indeed there there is a future commercial benefit like a youth team then that fine, but is there really any other benefit other than a PR/PC exercise? 3. Trying to make the club appear whiter than white. Anything which would show the club in a unfavorable light and there seems to be a statement for it. Surely certain matters can be dealt with in house rather than a PR exercise. Football clubs all have rouge elements to their support, but work with the support to remove these rather than putting out a statement which just bring further attention to it. I'm happy with this post but have 3 minor gripes. Points 1, 2, and 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, jambali said: 2. Excellent investment benefitting the business as a whole. How on earth can you describe this as an excellent investment. There is no chance of any payback within the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Doubler Edited August 16, 2019 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, McCrae said: This is gross exaggeration. Hate you see how you would react if we really in trouble. The last time we were in trouble I signed myself and my kids up to the FOH and we’ve been contributing since day one, hope this helps 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Levein has all the tools now. IMO it will click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Renoir said: I'm happy with the investment in the squad this window, simply cant criticize her of that. She has backed the manager (as the last few have been), so underachievement cannot be tagged with under investment in the squad. Overall running of the business is good, very rational and very clever to spot any revenue opportunities. I have three minor gripes- 1. The decision to hold a concert on the pitch which has effectively ruined our £1M pitch. 2. Investment in a woman team. When we are told about keeping the men's squad within our means, how can there be commercial benefit in running a woman's team? If indeed there there is a future commercial benefit like a youth team then that fine, but is there really any other benefit other than a PR/PC exercise? 3. Trying to make the club appear whiter than white. Anything which would show the club in a unfavorable light and there seems to be a statement for it. Surely certain matters can be dealt with in house rather than a PR exercise. Football clubs all have rouge elements to their support, but work with the support to remove these rather than putting out a statement which just bring further attention to it. 1. We ruined the grass which was a tiny % of the £1m, we didnt dig up the undersoil and state of the art irrigation/ sprinkler control system. 2. Perhaps our benefactor pumped in millions on the basis of these initiatives of a forward thinking club ? 3. Disagree show it for what it is and be seen to be dealing with it however deal with the away fans in equal measure. Edited August 16, 2019 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, McCrae said: How on earth can you describe this as an excellent investment. There is no chance of any payback within the next 10 years. Perhaps our benefactors have seen this, among many other activities that we do, as a continued reason to invest into Hearts as a forward thinking club ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: 1. We ruined the grass which was a tiny % of the £1m, we didnt dig up the undersoil and state of the art irrigation/ sprinkler control system. 2. Perhaps our benefactor pumped in millions on the basis of these initiatives of a forward thinking club ? 3. Disagree show it for what it is and be seen to be dealing with it however deal with the away fans in equal measure. Or perhaps they are investing despite it - we don’t actually know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Lightbulb said: Not only did she save us but she has excellent contacts in her network who have also helped us with funds for the new stand when we needed them. Absolutely spot on comment. For decades a section of the Edinburgh business community didn't want to have anything to do with the likes of Romanov, Robinson and even Mercer. For differing reasons. They've come aboard big time these last five years and are largely happy to stay in the background. Totally agree with Meadows. It's now time for the team to start delivering. Hopefully starting later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Or perhaps they are investing despite it - we don’t actually know. The fact is, he’s a massive Hearts fan just interested in the team doing well. I’d be surprised if he’s looking for a return on anything or has interests beyond the welfare of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: The fact is, he’s a massive Hearts fan just interested in the team doing well. I’d be surprised if he’s looking for a return on anything or has interests beyond the welfare of the team. He could be anyone. He could be a mad old Nazi for all we know. But we cant be making assumptions on their reasons for throwing the cash around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 As a chairperson, I doubt any manager could ask for more. Backed him to the hilt and has been, overly, tolerant of underachievement. The complaints about her, other than a handful of hissyfits over crowd behaviour, are all to do with this tolerance. I'd argue it's a good trait even while I'd happily see another manager in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, McCrae said: How on earth can you describe this as an excellent investment. There is no chance of any payback within the next 10 years. Maybe they are planning that the club will still be around in 10 years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 hours ago, boag1874 said: Put it this way, would you rather have Mrs Budge in charge or some vulture like Peruvian Ron/Mike Ashley. In my entire life the club has never been so well run and the rewards are just about starting to show with the quality acquisitions we’ve made this window. As has been said she couldn’t have backed Craig any more so its now fully on him to get his act together and sort it out. Can’t argue with that bud. Ann has found the funds on so many occasions it really is Levein who’s letting her down. The squad to me looks more than decent. It’s time to start taking the shackles off and stop strangling this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAndrew Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Boab said: Problem is, with the one-dimensional thinking on here at times, any criticism is rounded on by some. As the guy up the page said however, she can, and will have to, handle it. Totally agree. And of course she will make mistakes. But doesn't everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky87 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 setting myself up here for a slaughtering but i cant believe this is even a thread. She's done wonders for this club. Ive got no complaints with Budge. the football yes, but i'd like to think thats been addressed with recent signings. *heres hoping* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, graygo said: Maybe they are planning that the club will still be around in 10 years time. I am sure they are, but I wouldn’t be surprised if women’s football is never profitable. It’s not an excellent investment. It should be treated as an expensive gift to a preferred cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, McCrae said: I am sure they are, but I wouldn’t be surprised if women’s football is never profitable. It’s not an excellent investment. It should be treated as an expensive gift to a preferred cause. Pretty sure they would have said the same about men's football back in the day. Sfa received a 6 figure sum for qualifying for the women's world cup and getting knocked out early doors, there will be money in the years ahead. Edit: Over £600,000 reported. Edited August 16, 2019 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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