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JWL

Looking like a 12.00 start. The Aussies will come steaming in; a couple of early wickets and you never know. Could still be a very interesting day's cricket.

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Sooperstar

12.10 start. Minimum of 88.4 overs to be played if the weather stays clear.

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Sooperstar

Smith out for the remainder of this test and you have to imagine will miss the next one too. Concussion.

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RobboM

Interesting to hear that Steve Smith will miss the remainder of the match through concussion. Australia can now apply for a substitute and the substitute can bat.

I'd listened to the TMS podcast this morning and thought they'd said that a concussion meant the player automatically misses the next match. I may have picked that up worng though. If Smith misses the next match that would be huge!

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milky_26

australia say he will be assessed over the next couple of days but the short turnaround between tests are against him making the 3rd test

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RobboM

Watching Jos Buttler, currently scored 12* off 59 balls. For comparison from ODI matches he scored

121 74 balls v Sri Lanka
129 77 balls v NZ
116* 52 balls v Pak
105 76 balls v S Afr
100 83 balls v Aus

It's like it's a different game! 😉


 

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Craig_

England seem to be ramping it up a bit, surely there's not enough time to have a proper go at the Aussie batsmen?

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Sooperstar

Expect that will be about it from England.

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Craig_

Yep, declaration imminent once Stokes gets himself out showboating.

 

Got to hand it to him, he does seem like a piece of work, but what a batsman!

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Sooperstar

Christ, England might do this.

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Sexton Hardcastle

Again Archer was dug shite according to the English masses in the first innings but now he’s the dogs.

 

Hopefully this is a draw as they will be insufferable if the twats win.

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jonnothejambo
3 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

Again Archer was dug shite according to the English masses in the first innings but now he’s the dogs.

 

Hopefully this is a draw as they will be insufferable if the twats win.

 

You sound very bitter. An England win will be great for the series. 

 

Archer is scaring the shit out of me and I'm 400 miles away.

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scott herbertson

The Bajan's good - why isn't he playing for West Indies though ?

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RobboM
5 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

You sound very bitter. An England win will be great for the series. 

 

Archer is scaring the shit out of me and I'm 400 miles away.


Agreed!!! I've been hit a few times from bowlers many, many mph below Archer's pace .... it hurts! I've stood next to a cricket net with a bowling machine firing at 90 mph and honestly no idea how you can react in time to duck, let alone play a shot 🙂

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jonnothejambo
1 minute ago, RobboM said:


Agreed!!! I've been hit a few times from bowlers many, many mph below Archer's pace .... it hurts! I've stood next to a cricket net with a bowling machine firing at 90 mph and honestly no idea how you can react in time to duck, let alone play a shot 🙂

 

Aye. Scary stuff. 

 

Whatever happens today, Archer has given the Aussies something to think about. 

 

This series has some twists and turns ahead.

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Sexton Hardcastle
23 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

You sound very bitter. An England win will be great for the series. 

 

Archer is scaring the shit out of me and I'm 400 miles away.

Just can’t be dealing with Chris Evans and that Vasos Alexander chump when England win. They are just like the fickle fans when they do bad and slate them.

 

Draw in the bag now so need not worry myself.

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Sooperstar
33 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

Just can’t be dealing with Chris Evans and that Vasos Alexander chump when England win. They are just like the fickle fans when they do bad and slate them.

 

Draw in the bag now so need not worry myself.

Still plenty overs left. Couple of quick wickets and the Aussies could start to get pretty shaky.

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jonnothejambo
34 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

Just can’t be dealing with Chris Evans and that Vasos Alexander chump when England win. They are just like the fickle fans when they do bad and slate them.

 

Draw in the bag now so need not worry myself.

 

Fair enough.

 

As I type, the Aussie tweaker is flapping like a rattlesnake's tail...

 

 

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RobboM

This could go in the "Things you've always wondered about ..." thread but it's a specialist interest.

I get that in the UK we will have the score as 59-3 ie 58 runs for 3 wickets. In Aus they always say 3-59 ie 3 wickets for 59 runs. Ok vive la difference.
BUT
The Sky graphic has the score as 58-3 BUT the bowler stat is Leach 1-2 ie the Aussie way round.
Just settle on a system and ****ing stick to it!
 

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Sexton Hardcastle

Is the bowler not one wicket and conceding two runs?

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Sooperstar
17 minutes ago, RobboM said:

This could go in the "Things you've always wondered about ..." thread but it's a specialist interest.

I get that in the UK we will have the score as 59-3 ie 58 runs for 3 wickets. In Aus they always say 3-59 ie 3 wickets for 59 runs. Ok vive la difference.
BUT
The Sky graphic has the score as 58-3 BUT the bowler stat is Leach 1-2 ie the Aussie way round.
Just settle on a system and ****ing stick to it!
 

Don't think they have it the other way in Australia. It's standard for the scores to be shown exactly as you have described for batting team and bowler.

 

Edit: seems they do have it the other way round elsewhere. Never knew that.

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Sooperstar

Not a chance that was a catch!

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annushorribilis III
1 minute ago, Sooperstar said:

Not a chance that was a catch!

Agreed. Sky commentators thinking long and hard before saying anything. 

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RobboM
22 minutes ago, Sooperstar said:

Not a chance that was a catch!

Debatable ..... but that latest one? THAT was a catch. Wow!

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132goals1958
2 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Debatable ..... but that latest one? THAT was a catch. Wow!

 

 

Why would Paine play that shot when they are looking to survive.

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Zlatanable

So England have to bowl Australia out completely, otherwise is a draw?

Unless Aus get 116 runs or something. 

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JWL

Superb stuff. Great defensive display from The Aussies. As someone stated earlier however, that was never a catch by Joe Root in a million years.

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Malinga the Swinga

I know that England are one test down and that they were desperate to win this one at Lords, but FF's, Joe Roots behaviour in claiming that catch was shocking. He knows he never caught it cleanly and to stand up with finger up showing the umpires that he had was nothing short of cheating.

 

Good to see Michael Holding calling him out after the game whilst the rest of the pundits were squirming around trying to avoid calling it as it should have been said. Will be interesting if any fall out from this or if cricket media sweep this example of cheating under the carpet. It 

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Mikey1874

Momentum with England. Thanks to Jofra Archer. Also the World Cup hangover starting to lift with Stokes, Bairstow and even Butler returning to form. Though Warner hasn't. 

 

I am sorry for Steve Smith. He is brilliant. Though the team doing the short ball barrage were Australia. And he got himself in a mess both times he was hit due to his all moving stance. Hopefully back playing soon. 

 

Archer comes across laid back and friendly. But he is brutal and despite what he said is looking to hit batsmen. 

 

Root also sending another message to the win at all costs Aussies that England are now the same.

 

England started as favourites and look it now. 

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Malinga the Swinga
33 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Momentum with England. Thanks to Jofra Archer. Also the World Cup hangover starting to lift with Stokes, Bairstow and even Butler returning to form. Though Warner hasn't. 

 

I am sorry for Steve Smith. He is brilliant. Though the team doing the short ball barrage were Australia. And he got himself in a mess both times he was hit due to his all moving stance. Hopefully back playing soon. 

 

Archer comes across laid back and friendly. But he is brutal and despite what he said is looking to hit batsmen. 

 

Root also sending another message to the win at all costs Aussies that England are now the same.

 

England started as favourites and look it now. 

So can we expect Headingley crowd to boo Root as he is just as much a cheat as Smith, Warner and Bancroft or can we expect double standards from a boorish crowd and media.

 

Archer actually had mediocre return from match and once he is over-bowled by a poor captain, he will be unlikely to last. 

 

Question on is do England prepare wicket that suits him because if so, it suits Cummings and possibly Starc. As for Aussies, they need to improve use of DRS because it cost them big time in this one. Stokes would have been out for 6 if umpires had a clue or Australia had better understanding of reviews.

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JWL
1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

I know that England are one test down and that they were desperate to win this one at Lords, but FF's, Joe Roots behaviour in claiming that catch was shocking. He knows he never caught it cleanly and to stand up with finger up showing the umpires that he had was nothing short of cheating.

 

Good to see Michael Holding calling him out after the game whilst the rest of the pundits were squirming around trying to avoid calling it as it should have been said. Will be interesting if any fall out from this or if cricket media sweep this example of cheating under the carpet. It 

 

They just did sweep it under the carpet. Not a word about it on the cricket debate, Unbelievable.

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The White Cockade

English media has always been one eyed in all sports

England is all they care about 

Totally biased

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willie wallace
5 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

You sound very bitter. An England win will be great for the series. 

 

Archer is scaring the shit out of me and I'm 400 miles away. 

An Aussie whitewash would also be great for the series.😀

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RobboM
1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So can we expect Headingley crowd to boo Root as he is just as much a cheat as Smith, Warner and Bancroft or can we expect double standards from a boorish crowd and media.

 

Archer actually had mediocre return from match and once he is over-bowled by a poor captain, he will be unlikely to last. 

 

Question on is do England prepare wicket that suits him because if so, it suits Cummings and possibly Starc. As for Aussies, they need to improve use of DRS because it cost them big time in this one. Stokes would have been out for 6 if umpires had a clue or Australia had better understanding of reviews.


Root's catch was given out by the umpires and upheld by DRS, I can't see Root greeting at a press conference about it

Mediocrre? Archer took 5 wickets in the match and a lot of the talking points. Only Cummings (from either side) took more.

Both batting line ups look vulnerable (bar Smith) and the bowling attacks are well matched. England having a marginal advantage that their all rounders give them an extra front line bowler. No idea what will happen at Headingly but looking forward to it already.
 

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Mikey1874
On 18/08/2019 at 12:23, RobboM said:

Interesting to hear that Steve Smith will miss the remainder of the match through concussion. Australia can now apply for a substitute and the substitute can bat.

I'd listened to the TMS podcast this morning and thought they'd said that a concussion meant the player automatically misses the next match. I may have picked that up worng though. If Smith misses the next match that would be huge!

 

He should miss the next match because there is a minimum 5 day period players are meant to not play after an incident. That is the medical advice. In Scottish football it is 6 days. Australia doesn't apply that guideline while saying their protocols are first class. 

 

The Aussies are looking to be playing fast and loose. Even sending him out again. And what if he gets hit again on Thursday? Jordan Archer will certainly be aiming towards his head. Smith is competitive and will want to play. But they know that without him they would be 2-0 down in this series. 

 

Will probably be a big debate in Australia next few days. Even more of a debate if he comes to serious harm next game. 

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RobboM
53 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

He should miss the next match because there is a minimum 5 day period players are meant to not play after an incident. That is the medical advice. In Scottish football it is 6 days. Australia doesn't apply that guideline while saying their protocols are first class. 

 

The Aussies are looking to be playing fast and loose. Even sending him out again. And what if he gets hit again on Thursday? Jordan Archer will certainly be aiming towards his head. Smith is competitive and will want to play. But they know that without him they would be 2-0 down in this series. 

 

Will probably be a big debate in Australia next few days. Even more of a debate if he comes to serious harm next game. 

Interesting article here Mikey especially relevant as it involves Australia coach Justin Langer and a previosu concussion incident he was involved in himself back in his playing days

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/aug/18/brutal-jofra-archer-cricket-ashes-blows-concussion-england

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Mikey1874
2 hours ago, RobboM said:

Interesting article here Mikey especially relevant as it involves Australia coach Justin Langer and a previosu concussion incident he was involved in himself back in his playing days

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/aug/18/brutal-jofra-archer-cricket-ashes-blows-concussion-england

 

Interesting, thanks for posting.

 

I am concerned for Smith and what could happen. The other benefit in him missing this week's game is it gives him 2 weeks to practice against 96 mph short fast bowling (they have a bowling machine). Because despite being the best player in the world he is vulnerable to Archer's pace with his technique where he is only ever still when he hits the ball. 

 

I didn't want to link this to the allegation Joe Root cheated saying he made that catch (he might have). But this is a different level of wanting to win putting someone's life at risk to win the Ashes. 

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jonnothejambo
3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

He should miss the next match because there is a minimum 5 day period players are meant to not play after an incident. That is the medical advice. In Scottish football it is 6 days. Australia doesn't apply that guideline while saying their protocols are first class. 

 

The Aussies are looking to be playing fast and loose. Even sending him out again. And what if he gets hit again on Thursday? Jordan Archer will certainly be aiming towards his head. Smith is competitive and will want to play. But they know that without him they would be 2-0 down in this series. 

 

Will probably be a big debate in Australia next few days. Even more of a debate if he comes to serious harm next game. 

 

After what happened to Phil Hughes there should be no debate. He should miss the next test and it should be compulsory for all batters to wear the neck guard at the rear of the helmet. He was hit very close to the same part of the neck as Hughes and it could have easily had the same tragic outcome.

 

Smith says it's uncomfortable. Well tough shit mate. Get used to it. It could save your life.

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RobboM
19 hours ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

After what happened to Phil Hughes there should be no debate. He should miss the next test and it should be compulsory for all batters to wear the neck guard at the rear of the helmet. He was hit very close to the same part of the neck as Hughes and it could have easily had the same tragic outcome.

 

Smith says it's uncomfortable. Well tough shit mate. Get used to it. It could save your life.

 

Smith is out of the Headingly test

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/109466/steve-smith-ruled-out-of-headingley-test-with-concussion

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Seymour M Hersh
On 18/08/2019 at 16:21, RobboM said:


Agreed!!! I've been hit a few times from bowlers many, many mph below Archer's pace .... it hurts! I've stood next to a cricket net with a bowling machine firing at 90 mph and honestly no idea how you can react in time to duck, let alone play a shot 🙂

 

Apparently you have 0.459 seconds to react at that speed.

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RobboM
44 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Apparently you have 0.459 seconds to react at that speed.


Doesn't seem quite long enough does it!

I read a piece on reaction times in cricket many years ago and one of the points made was not just the reaction time but the fact that elite batsmen pick up on clues so much quicker than average batsmen in order to take advantage of that 0.459 seconds. That's why so many of the commentators on Joffra Archer's action talk about the quicker ball seeming to come from nowhere, he doesn't seem to do anything different between an 85 mph and 95 mph delivery .... and that's what makes him just quite so difficult to play.

 

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jonnothejambo
2 hours ago, RobboM said:


Doesn't seem quite long enough does it!

I read a piece on reaction times in cricket many years ago and one of the points made was not just the reaction time but the fact that elite batsmen pick up on clues so much quicker than average batsmen in order to take advantage of that 0.459 seconds. That's why so many of the commentators on Joffra Archer's action talk about the quicker ball seeming to come from nowhere, he doesn't seem to do anything different between an 85 mph and 95 mph delivery .... and that's what makes him just quite so difficult to play.

 

 

Add to all of the above the fact that he delivers the ball from very close to the stumps and nips the short pitched balls back into the batsman giving them nowhere to go. 

 

He will go through them like a dose of salts and to my mind the series momentum has swung in England's favour.

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ri Alban
30 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Add to all of the above the fact that he delivers the ball from very close to the stumps and nips the short pitched balls back into the batsman giving them nowhere to go. 

 

He will go through them like a dose of salts and to my mind the series momentum has swung in England's favour.

Yer missing the fact, England aren't batting very well, themselves.

I expect the Aussies to adapt quickly to Archer, or they could take a leaf out of his book and hit him with the baw.

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jonnothejambo
9 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Yer missing the fact, England aren't batting very well, themselves.

I expect the Aussies to adapt quickly to Archer, or they could take a leaf out of his book and hit him with the baw.

 

You have a valid point regarding the England batters, and Australia do have a potent attack.

 

I just think that from having a poor first test, to being quite close to winning the second, to having Archer bowling as he did, culminating in Smith being out, points to a momentum swing towards England. 

 

Of course it could go either way as they are evenly matched. 

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Mikey1874

England bowl in overcast conditions. 

 

Have to make it count today. 

 

Australia only need 1 more win to win the Ashes. 

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Sooperstar
44 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

England bowl in overcast conditions. 

 

Have to make it count today. 

 

Australia only need 1 more win to win the Ashes. 

To retain! 

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Sexton Hardcastle

Back to being world beaters again. 

 

Sure that hat will change in the second innings.

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RobboM

England take advantage of the conditions on Day 1 especially the dodgy light. Aussies all out for 179 which included a 111 run stand at not far off a run a ball for big chunks of it.

As Boycott says, wait until both sides have batted before passing too much judgement on this innings. From the first 2 Tests England batting has been just as vulnerable as Australia and only Smith has really made the difference. 17.1 overs for Archer, which is a lot. It helped I guess that there were quite a few interruptions between rain breaks, lunch and tea.

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