Cruyff Turn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Cheile said: Surely that's an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rudy T said: The bigger issue is these aren’t 90 minute bigots it’s part of the fabric of Glasgow and the surrounding areas. While many Hearts fans of a certain age grew up with Hearts being part of this problem most (I’d hope) have moved on and what we have is a small minority who try and carry that on, I’ll bet though in most cases it doesn’t effect their day to day life and they don’t really understand or believe in that pish and most will grow out of it. That just isn’t the case for the very large majority of old firm fans particularly those from or associated with the west. Sadly we are at least 2 generations away from this ending IMO. It’s definitely a far reduced number now at Hearts. Unfortunately there are a few sad old groomers determined to get new recruits onboard. The guy who fancies Tommy Robinson and his pathetic entourage for example. Overall though, it’s just a blip in a longer term trend that has been moving in the right direction. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: If a city has to constantly actually tell you how friendly it is it can’t be that ****ing friendly. I get the same feeling about this PR move Murder capital, and friendliest capital in the same year as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, farin said: If people just stopped projecting their own religious & political views onto a football team/club they follow that would be a start tbh. Lots of us already do that, it’s not that hard imo. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, farin said: We’ve heard all this stuff before tbh. A lot of it depends on the circles you move in too. It absolutely was changing and had been doing so for a while. c2010 the arseholes started feeling more legitimate again, and almost a decade later, we are where we are. Edited July 23, 2019 by Icon of Symmetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolcross lad Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, farin said: We’ve heard all this stuff before tbh. A lot of it depends on the circles you move in too. I am not sure that I had heard all this "stuff" before it was written last year.It confirms my own experience over the years.I am not saying there is not a problem but I go with Devines arguments.Rangers can see the writing on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 The thing with Rangers is now they sign players from all backgrounds and religions. Have done for 30 years. That Negri lad was a Catholic, used to cross himself after a goal. Maurice I think was one too. 🤔 How do the fans think it makes these guys feel and what's the thinking behind shouting fenine songs at celtic fans, then celebrating a goal when a "fenine" scores for you.. I think Gerrard is a Catholic and Morelos is too? It's as unhinged as shouting racist abuse at the opposition while your own team has black players. Even, ignoring the general racism issue, how can you do it when your own players are black, it makes even less sense. I can't twist my Melon around the thinking in any shape or form around certain fans or groups thinking. The club probably has a plan, but even with the above examples they will be pissing against the wind for the time being, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Another initiative to keep the government at bay. Change. Not until they start doing what they have threatened and ban and take away season cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirt of 98 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I thought this was a thread about the place all those knuckle draggers in Rangers taps at the airport go on holiday. I had a vision of Iron Brew on draft alongside Buckie and all you can eat Greggs on the resort. The entertainment being a good old rendition of the party songs followed by a square go. But I assume all those twats I see at the airport just go to the 2 star hotels and that’s why I do t see them in my hotel 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 22 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: Hearts are tackling the issue head on. The Scottish government also tried. Both got/get abuse for it. The SFA, rangers and celtic have done nothing as you say. One shite bit of legislation, rushed to the statutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: One shite bit of legislation, rushed to the statutes. Labour/Celtic got it scrapped because they knew it would paint them in a bad light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: Labour/Celtic got it scrapped because they knew it would paint them in a bad light. A myth I'm afraid. Surely you don't think the old firm have that much control over Scottish Govt? If they do we need to panic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: A myth I'm afraid. Surely you don't think the old firm have that much control over Scottish Govt? If they do we need to panic They don't have control over the Scottish Government, no. They do however represent a large percentage of the people who live here, sadly. Both Celtic and Rangers are very much 'lifestyle clubs' in Scotland, and they represent a mindset where many of their supporters align their football club, religious beliefs and political outlook. Keeping Celtic or rangers onside, is a genuine concern for some political parties up here, because they don't want to risk losing their votes. Edited July 24, 2019 by Icon of Symmetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: A myth I'm afraid. Surely you don't think the old firm have that much control over Scottish Govt? If they do we need to panic I'd be more afraid of a government that doesn't challenge these things. The SNP tried to challenge the nasty side of football culture Labour and other parties where against it, without any alternative so we are back to square one. I wonder why they were opposed to it so much and were happy to go back to "normal" I, personally would be more afraid of the latter Anyway, a bit of topic, at least Rangers, on paper are challenging it. Good luck to them, but it will be a long road if they are genuine about it. If not, it ticks a few boxes as a due diligence exercise. Time will tell. Edited July 24, 2019 by Olly Lee's left boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said: They don't have control over the Scottish Government, no. They do however represent a large percentage of the people who live here, sadly. Both Celtic and Rangers are very much 'lifestyle clubs' in Scotland, and they represent a mindset where many of their supporters align their football club, religious beliefs and political outlook. Keeping Celtic or rangers onside, is a genuine concern for some political parties up here, because they don't want to risk losing their votes. 2 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: I'd be more afraid of a government that doesn't challenge these things. The SNP tried to challenge the nasty side of football culture Labour and other parties where against it, without any alternative so we are back to square one. I wonder why they were opposed to it so much and were happy to go back to "normal" I, personally would be more afraid of the latter Anyway, a bit of topic, at least Rangers, on paper are challenging it. Good luck to them, but it will be a long road if they are genuine about it. If not, it ticks a few boxes as a due diligence exercise. Time will tell. There was, and still is, legislation in place that makes it an offence to be sectarian, racist, homophobic etc. etc. etc. The trouble with the legislation was that anything could be deemed offensive even if nobody was offended. eg wearing yes or no badges. The famous case of the free Palestine T shirt and whether singing the National Anthem of the UK could really be deemed offensive and a criminal offensive in the UK. That's why the legislation was repealed, it challenged the right to Freedom of speech. I'm a tad suspicious of Rangers motivation but why not give it a chance as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 22/07/2019 at 23:29, Icon of Symmetry said: They are very late to this party. Celtic have been absolutely destroying them in the PR war for a few decades now. Finally realised ‘no-one likes is, we don’t care’, is not a good business model. Celtic on the back foot a bit just now due to the child abuse saga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I would get rid of all orange in club colours, do a new green third strip and introduce an annual players visit to Lourdes and the Vatican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Celtic on the back foot a bit just now due to the child abuse saga. Yeah, that’s a point. Overall though in my experience, folk from out-with Scotland are aware of Rangers supporters being scummy, but have an inaccurate romantic impression of Celtic fans. Edited July 24, 2019 by Icon of Symmetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Staggering but true--- Old Rangers were once recognised as one of the pillars of Scottish Society alongside the Church of Scotland, the Scottish judiciary and for the life me I can,t remember the others. No laughing at the back of the class please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatfieldWarrior Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: I would get rid of all orange in club colours, do a new green third strip and introduce an annual players visit to Lourdes and the Vatican. Rangers and Celtic half-and-half tops, scarfs and flags would be a belter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 23/07/2019 at 08:09, 132goals1958 said: Sums them up. Avoid them like the plague when you’re abroad on holiday. Within the first couple of minutes you will learn they are guid Rangers / Celtic men but dinnae get me wrang some o there best friends are catholic/ protestant But if you hang around the mask will always slip, there hatred always without fail will rise to the surface, from Jakies to Lawyers the bigotry is always there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 hours ago, jbee647 said: But if you hang around the mask will always slip, there hatred always without fail will rise to the surface, from Jakies to Lawyers the bigotry is always there Good point. Why it should always be stamped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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