Haring

[Pasquale for King]

37 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

You don't want to believe it's bad luck.

You want to believe it's someone/something within the club so you could have another bloody good moan.

It can’t just be bad luck I’m afraid, but keep your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut whilst screaming la la la la la 🙈.

[soonbe110]

7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

It was probably hope more than anything. He’s still got a few weeks to be ready for the Aberdeen game though so fingers crossed.

Just over two weeks to go, light training, no games yet, unlikely to be anywhere close to match fit until end August. Pre-season missed so not a great outlook for coming season. Players that miss pre-season rarely do well. Conditioning for the season is key and that happens during pre-season. Hope I’m being overly pessimistic. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, soonbe110 said:

Just over two weeks to go, light training, no games yet, unlikely to be anywhere close to match fit until end August. Pre-season missed so not a great outlook for coming season. Players that miss pre-season rarely do well. Conditioning for the season is key and that happens during pre-season. Hope I’m being overly pessimistic. 

Yeah it would seem that way, unless we have someone putting him through a proper pre season at some point over the next few weeks if he’s up to it. We have a difficult start to the league season and will need him as soon as possible.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

It can’t just be bad luck I’m afraid, but keep your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut whilst screaming la la la la la 🙈.

Of course it can't be bad luck if that's what you've decided.

Do you think the Hearts' medical staff and fitness coaches have not considered a wide range of possibilities or do you think your amateur, second-hand knowledge is more accurate?  Even outside of football, doctors, consultants etc get many diagnoses wrong and are sometimes baffled by a problem.  It happens - and trying to apportion blame is cheap.

[Pasquale for King]

41 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Of course it can't be bad luck if that's what you've decided.

Do you think the Hearts' medical staff and fitness coaches have not considered a wide range of possibilities or do you think your amateur, second-hand knowledge is more accurate?  Even outside of football, doctors, consultants etc get many diagnoses wrong and are sometimes baffled by a problem.  It happens - and trying to apportion blame is cheap.

I’ve said all of that but for some reason you still want to argue about it. If they have considered every reason then it would be to apportion blame and see if they can do things better or do things differently, is that not what we all want?

[davemclaren]

Blame is such a no go word in modern management culture. 😎

[i8hibsh]

4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I think we can all agree that Haring has been a great signing and hopefully he will be back in the team firing on all cylinders as soon as possible.

 

He is certainly a quality player on his day.  However, I am starting to get the sinking feeling that we have had the best of him and he wont feature much due to injury and will just be another player on the wage bill until the clock runs down on his contract.

 

****, I hope i am wrong as I like him a lot.

[JamboAl]

26 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’ve said all of that but for some reason you still want to argue about it. If they have considered every reason then it would be to apportion blame and see if they can do things better or do things differently, is that not what we all want?

They're still trying to find the reason - that is the problem.

Once you find the reason you can then begin to consider whether blame could be attached to anybody for not finding it sooner and doing something about it.

As someone else said Colin Cameron may be a case in point: he spent ages physically injured and it turned out he was cured by wearing a special gumshield!

Why you keep wanting to apportion blame I'll never know.

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

They're still trying to find the reason - that is the problem.

Once you find the reason you can then begin to consider whether blame could be attached to anybody for not finding it sooner and doing something about it.

As someone else said Colin Cameron may be a case in point: he spent ages physically injured and it turned out he was cured by wearing a special gumshield!

Why you keep wanting to apportion blame I'll never know.

How many ****ing times, so they don’t make the same mistake again 😱🙈🤷🏾‍♂️🤔🤪?!?!

[Pasquale for King]

40 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

He is certainly a quality player on his day.  However, I am starting to get the sinking feeling that we have had the best of him and he wont feature much due to injury and will just be another player on the wage bill until the clock runs down on his contract.

 

****, I hope i am wrong as I like him a lot.

Hopefully they’ve got an idea what it is (Leveins words) and can finally cure it.

[Cruyff Turn]

So what’s big Pete’s diagnosis.

 

I’m going, out for at least 6 months. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

On 16/07/2019 at 20:54, Pasquale for King said:

Well done, was wondering when you would be along to chip in. 

[JamboAl]

8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

How many ****ing times, so they don’t make the same mistake again 😱🙈🤷🏾‍♂️🤔🤪?!?!

WHAT MISTAKE?

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

WHAT MISTAKE?

He’s had this injury since October, was it cured by the hernia operation? Was it cured by rest? Was 5 weeks rest enough? No. As I said pages ago when you asked and as always never listen, someone said rest would cure it, either it hasn’t or they didn’t give him enough rest, a mistake was made. Last time.

Edited July 18 by Pasquale for King

[JamboAl]

19 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He’s had this injury since October, was it cured by the hernia operation? Was it cured by rest? Was 5 weeks rest enough? No. As I said pages ago when you asked and as always never listen, someone said rest would cure it, either it hasn’t or they didn’t give him enough rest, a mistake was made. Last time.

How do you know it is THIS INJURY?  You seem so desperate to blame somebody and hope they will learn.

CL has already said (no doubt, quoting medics) that that is very delicate area with many intricacies, or words to that effect, and they still have not sussed the problem.  Do you actually believe that they have been wilfully negligent when he is such a key player?  I don't.

Edited July 18 by JamboAl

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

How do you know it is THIS INJURY?  You seem so desperate to blame somebody and hope they will learn.

CL has already said (no doubt, quoting medics) that that is very delicate area with many intricacies, or words to that effect, and they still have not sussed the problem.  Do you actually believe that they have been wilfully negligent when he is such a key player?  I don't.

Did I say they’ve been wilfully negligent?

If it’s not the same injury or was cured with the hernia operation why did Levein mention it being a difficult area that’s hard to diagnose?

I’m sure they’ve progressed from nearly twenty years ago when Cameron was injured, Levein said they had a pretty good idea what Harings injury is at last. 

The only thing I’m desperate for is the people we pay good money for to do their job properly and help cure a million pound asset his manager and the team need to be back ASAP. Sorry if that annoys you or isn’t just another hard luck story.

Edited July 18 by Pasquale for King

[JamboAl]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Did I say they’ve been wilfully negligent?

If it’s not the same injury or was cured with the hernia operation why did Levein mention it being a difficult area that’s hard to diagnose! 

I’m sure they’ve progressed from nearly twenty years ago when Cameron was injured, Levein said they had a pretty good idea what Harings injury is at last. 

The only thing I’m desperate for is the people we pay good money for to do their job properly and help cure a million pound asset his manager and the team need to back ASAP. Sorry if that annoys you or isn’t just another hard luck story.

It doesn't annoy me.  I just feel sorry for you.

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said:

So what’s big Pete’s diagnosis.

 

I’m going, out for at least 6 months. 

They’ve still not said what it is, fingers crossed it’s a quick fix.

[wavydavy]

26 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

How do you know it is THIS INJURY?  You seem so desperate to blame somebody and hope they will learn.

CL has already said (no doubt, quoting medics) that that is very delicate area with many intricacies, or words to that effect, and they still have not sussed the problem.  Do you actually believe that they have been wilfully negligent when he is such a key player?  I don't.

 

Surely even you have to admit that when you play for months with a double hernia issue and resort to taking painkilling injections to allow you to play then there is a strong possibilty that you may well cause damage elsewhere?

 

Haring did all this as reported in the media and this is why CL admitted that it may be partly his fault for encouraging him to play in the cup final intsead of resting as he was apparently told to do.

 

It is of course entirely possible that his current problem has nothing to do with the fact he played with an ongoing hernia problem however I would think this is unlikely.

 

It was a gamble that CL and Haring took and it would appear not to have paid off in this instance.

 

Look at Tierney at Celtic he had a double hernia op before Haring and he is now having a groin issue also. I seem to recall he played whilst carrying his injury also.

Edited July 18 by wavydavy

[wavydavy]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

They’ve still not said what it is, fingers crossed it’s a quick fix.

 

Wonder what the odds are on a third opinion?

[Icon of Symmetry]

[soonbe110]

48 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

He’s had this injury since October, was it cured by the hernia operation? Was it cured by rest? Was 5 weeks rest enough? No. As I said pages ago when you asked and as always never listen, someone said rest would cure it, either it hasn’t or they didn’t give him enough rest, a mistake was made. Last time.

Could be that there’s two injuries at play. The hernia hid/disguised the second injury. That’s what Kieran Tieneys current problem is. 

[wavydavy]

5 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Could be that there’s two injuries at play. The hernia hid/disguised the second injury. That’s what Kieran Tieneys current problem is. 

 

Could be but it is always a risk playing with an injury that it causes other problems.

 

I saw this the other day which is interesting.

 

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/craig-levein-expects-peter-haring-16586866

[Cruyff Turn]

6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Could be that there’s two injuries at play. The hernia hid/disguised the second injury. That’s what Kieran Tieneys current problem is. 

Pelvis off balance, putting pressure on an area and causing muscle tear in the groin, sorta thing. 

[JamboAl]

22 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Surely even you have to admit that when you play for months with a double hernia issue and resort to taking painkilling injections to allow you to play then there is a strong possibilty that you may well cause damage elsewhere?

 

Haring did all this as reported in the media and this is why CL admitted that it may be partly his fault for encouraging him to play in the cup final intsead of resting as he was apparently told to do.

 

It is of course entirely possible that his current problem has nothing to do with the fact he played with an ongoing hernia problem however I would think this is unlikely.

 

It was a gamble that CL and Haring took and it would appear not to have paid off in this instance.

 

Look at Tierney at Celtic he had a double hernia op before Haring and he is now having a groin issue also. I seem to recall he played whilst carrying his injury also.

With hindsight that does seem to be the case but I doubt if any risk would have been taken without the say-so of the medics.  I'm glad you said CL and Haring.

[Pasquale for King]

17 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Could be that there’s two injuries at play. The hernia hid/disguised the second injury. That’s what Kieran Tieneys current problem is. 

His injury was diagnosed and now being fixed unfortunately, we still don’t know for definite what Harings is.

[wavydavy]

15 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

With hindsight that does seem to be the case but I doubt if any risk would have been taken without the say-so of the medics.  I'm glad you said CL and Haring.

 

I said that because that is what was reported. I am sure CL would not have forced Haring to play had he not wanted to. Not many would want to miss a cup final.

[soonbe110]

25 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

His injury was diagnosed and now being fixed unfortunately, we still don’t know for definite what Harings is.

First injury operated on. Second, underlying one only recently diagnosed and now being treated. Only played 9 games n 2019. 

[Pasquale for King]

7 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

First injury operated on. Second, underlying one only recently diagnosed and now being treated. Only played 9 games n 2019. 

Shame it wasn’t zero. 

[Pasquale for King]

59 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Wonder what the odds are on a third opinion?

Hopefully the 2nd one has helped pin point the problem.

[davemclaren]

1 hour ago, wavydavy said:

 

Surely even you have to admit that when you play for months with a double hernia issue and resort to taking painkilling injections to allow you to play then there is a strong possibilty that you may well cause damage elsewhere?

 

Haring did all this as reported in the media and this is why CL admitted that it may be partly his fault for encouraging him to play in the cup final intsead of resting as he was apparently told to do.

 

It is of course entirely possible that his current problem has nothing to do with the fact he played with an ongoing hernia problem however I would think this is unlikely.

 

It was a gamble that CL and Haring took and it would appear not to have paid off in this instance.

 

Look at Tierney at Celtic he had a double hernia op before Haring and he is now having a groin issue also. I seem to recall he played whilst carrying his injury also.

Hopefully Celtic and Arsenal fans are just as outraged

[mitch41]

You have to send your players to the best consultant for injuries and I really don’t know who Hearts use.

I thought one of the benefits of going to Riccarton was the Uni has a sports science department that included 

sports injuries. These geniuses who teach their students should be able to diagnose Harring easily.

[Chong]

I'm pretty sure he's not waiting a couple of weeks to see his local GP and strolling in with yet another sick line.

[DH1986]

24 minutes ago, mitch41 said:

You have to send your players to the best consultant for injuries and I really don’t know who Hearts use.

I thought one of the benefits of going to Riccarton was the Uni has a sports science department that included 

sports injuries. These geniuses who teach their students should be able to diagnose Harring easily.

 

We send them to London just for a laugh.

[heartstastic]

5 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

 

We send them to London just for a laugh.

We also send them to a few premiership matches so they can get delusions of grandeur and start spouting of about bigger moves.

[ToqueJambo]

6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

It can’t just be bad luck I’m afraid, but keep your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut whilst screaming la la la la la 🙈.

 

You're just coming across like a flat earther or moon landing denier. 

[ToqueJambo]

2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Did I say they’ve been wilfully negligent?

If it’s not the same injury or was cured with the hernia operation why did Levein mention it being a difficult area that’s hard to diagnose?

I’m sure they’ve progressed from nearly twenty years ago when Cameron was injured, Levein said they had a pretty good idea what Harings injury is at last. 

The only thing I’m desperate for is the people we pay good money for to do their job properly and help cure a million pound asset his manager and the team need to be back ASAP. Sorry if that annoys you or isn’t just another hard luck story.

 

If only the human body and medicine were that easy. There would be no injured people or diseases. DO YOUR JOBS PROPERLY HEALTH PROFESSIONALS!

[Mikey1874]

7 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Blame is such a no go word in modern management culture. 😎

 

Craig took responsibility. 

[Zlatanable]

I hope he recovers fully, and will play a full part in the forthcoming season. 

[Pasquale for King]

9 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

You're just coming across like a flat earther or moon landing denier. 

Yeah and the people like you that say it’s just bad luck are worth listening too 🤪👍🏽. 

[Pasquale for King]

9 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

If only the human body and medicine were that easy. There would be no injured people or diseases. DO YOUR JOBS PROPERLY HEALTH PROFESSIONALS!

Or maybe just do the ****ing job we pay the ***** handsomely to do? 

[Pasquale for King]

9 hours ago, DH1986 said:

 

We send them to London just for a laugh.

We send them to Leeds first, when they’re wrong we pay for them to go to London.

[Seymour M Hersh]

13 hours ago, mitch41 said:

You have to send your players to the best consultant for injuries and I really don’t know who Hearts use.

I thought one of the benefits of going to Riccarton was the Uni has a sports science department that included 

sports injuries. These geniuses who teach their students should be able to diagnose Harring easily.

 

So you don't know who the club use but they should be sending them to the best people. So how do you know they are not doing that? Being a lecturer in sports medicine is so far removed than being an accomplished specialist in a particular area of surgery that your final comment should probably be just that. 

[Kiwidoug]

The positive is that he's a really good player coming back in when he's ready.  The negative is that he could be another Andy Driver and that was a tragedy.

 

As ever, just like Rick and I8, I'm thinking positive.

[ramrod]

The worry is it's going to flare up every time he plays. 

Shame because he is a cracking player . 

Can't see him getting a run of games under his belt unfortunately. 

[SUTOL]

15 hours ago, mitch41 said:

You have to send your players to the best consultant for injuries and I really don’t know who Hearts use.

I thought one of the benefits of going to Riccarton was the Uni has a sports science department that included 

sports injuries. These geniuses who teach their students should be able to diagnose Harring easily.

 

It doesn't.

 

Well not in the sense that you seem to imply.  There is no course on sports science and sports injury where there might be a lecturer that could be drafted in to diagnose injuries to players. 

 

There are sports scientists in some parts of the Oriam, and there is facilities for them and physios etc to use.

[davemclaren]

14 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Craig took responsibility. 

Responsibility is different from blame. 😄 

[davemclaren]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Or maybe just do the ****ing job we pay the ***** handsomely to do? 

You still don’t know that they haven’t. 

[JamboAl]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

We send them to Leeds first, when they’re wrong we pay for them to go to London.

I could solve Haring's problem tomorrow.

Just get you and your medical mate into the club and the correct diagnosis would be immediate.

[mitch41]

3 hours ago, ramrod said:

The worry is it's going to flare up every time he plays. 

Shame because he is a cracking player . 

Can't see him getting a run of games under his belt unfortunately. 

many posts on here are caused by fans frustration and i'm sure the same is 

felt by the club & player. Every person just wants the guy back playing and 

at the moment we're just going round in circles.