Lovecraft Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, chester copperpot said: This thread just shows you that no matter the subject, Hearts fans will ****ing moan about absolutely anything. Some right weirdo's in our support How dare you try and make people safer while attending a sporting event? It's disgusting I tells ya............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I spent £500 on cctv and I still can't get clear pictures of my neighbours wife. The prices are horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: We'd have had an absolute superteam with the money squandered on this. Yup. We'd have another half a Craig Wighton. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Considering the amount we have squandered on absolute crap signings (Sammon, Martin, Osh, Vanacek and loads more) we shoudn't worry about 100k. Just a drop in the ocean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, rick witter said: Of course it could have but then they wouldn’t have the high and mighty Newspaper headlines. Its all a bit pathetic. Just spend the money and put the CCTV in but there is absolutely no need to broadcast it to the world. Why shouldn't the fans know how much the pricks that are responsible for this in the first place are costing the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boab said: I think most people accept change. I will make a, pretty sure, prediction though. There will be threads...maybe even this one...after an OF visit to Tynecastle, with many posts questioning the validity of this system, when it appears, appears mind, that the rules are not being enforced across the board. To put my cynical hat on....if this results in a big increase in Roseburn bad behaviour being prosecuted at Cat A games...i’ll eat my hat ! She started off being quite strong in her condemnation of them. I still think she just realised that you have to get your own shit in order first. That’s certainly what I hope anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said: Why shouldn't the fans know how much the pricks that are responsible for this in the first place are costing the club? Exactly !! Soend million quid on new pitch and they think it's acceptable to burn it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: She started off being quite strong in her condemnation of them. I still think she just realised that you have to get your own shit in order first. That’s certainly what I hope anyway. Indeed. Glass houses etc.. Scottish football has been taking a nasty turn recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinger Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 i swear this was announced months ago. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 usual p1sh if u include the 1mil on the pitch thats like 4 whightons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 What did the police monitor previously in the control tower with all the cabling we were told was critical to observation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: What did the police monitor previously in the control tower with all the cabling we were told was critical to observation? Pornhub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: What did the police monitor previously in the control tower with all the cabling we were told was critical to observation? Not sure about that. But the control box also held all the wiring for lighting, security systems, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Taffin said: What did the police monitor previously in the control tower with all the cabling we were told was critical to observation? They were looking for folk standing up... amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) Every negative incident at Tynecastle from our fans and visiting fans costs the club actual money and indirect reputation damage. 100 grand for permanent infrastructure that helps safety inside the ground doesn't seem like a big deal. It might entice some back who have been put off by recent incidents. Plus it could help when trying to prove claims against visiting clubs so we can claw back some money from vandalism. Edited July 5, 2019 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just another attack on the working class football fan. Football is a passionate, emotional outlet to escape from the 9-5. I'm not condoning truly unacceptable conduct, but part of what makes football unique and special is the atmosphere, be that hostile and volatile - Its raw passion. Things like this are a ridiculous waste of money that aims to sterilise Tynecastle of what makes it unique. Budges inability to comprehend this will forever be a 'yes but..' in her legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, OTT said: Just another attack on the working class football fan. Football is a passionate, emotional outlet to escape from the 9-5. I'm not condoning truly unacceptable conduct, but part of what makes football unique and special is the atmosphere, be that hostile and volatile - Its raw passion. Things like this are a ridiculous waste of money that aims to sterilise Tynecastle of what makes it unique. Budges inability to comprehend this will forever be a 'yes but..' in her legacy. This is a societal change that will affect all of us. Budge is just keeping ahead of the curve, and it’s a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, OTT said: Just another attack on the working class football fan. Football is a passionate, emotional outlet to escape from the 9-5. I'm not condoning truly unacceptable conduct, but part of what makes football unique and special is the atmosphere, be that hostile and volatile - Its raw passion. Things like this are a ridiculous waste of money that aims to sterilise Tynecastle of what makes it unique. Budges inability to comprehend this will forever be a 'yes but..' in her legacy. Mind you, when it’s left to poor stewards of all sizes to sort a hostile crowd out we probably f**kin need cctv. The police do **** all these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol1874 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said: She started off being quite strong in her condemnation of them. I still think she just realised that you have to get your own shit in order first. That’s certainly what I hope anyway. Agreed, there is a long game here. What I've always liked about Ann is that she acknowledges that our support is not faultless and she has been willing to tackle that and has never tried to defend the indefensible. Responses to her comments about away supports though (and there are only 2 or 3 this applies to really), have always been the usual whataboutery. If, as many on this board would argue, the problem is actually 20/80 when these clubs are in town, then being able to demonstrate that beyond any doubt is worth £100k of anyone's money. If we have more of a problem, that will be proven too. I don't expect there to be many hiding places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, rick witter said: Of course it could have but then they wouldn’t have the high and mighty Newspaper headlines. Its all a bit pathetic. Just spend the money and put the CCTV in but there is absolutely no need to broadcast it to the world. Look at me. Look at me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Icon of Symmetry said: She started off being quite strong in her condemnation of them. I still think she just realised that you have to get your own shit in order first. That’s certainly what I hope anyway. She doesn't have to condemn the OF fans. She doesn't have to get into a war of words with OF clubs over this. Hearts have every right to decide who they want in OUR STADIUM if it's decided we only want a minimal amount of away fans then that's our choice. Rangers and Celtic have already restricted away supports. It would be hypocritical of them to complain if we followed suit. One section for OF and two sections for Aberdeen and Hibs imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, FarmerTweedy said: Why shouldn't the fans know how much the pricks that are responsible for this in the first place are costing the club? Not only that but this is a warning shot across the bows of anyone intent on making a tit of themselves, this will also make it easier to police the away support and identify the erses as it seems the police don’t intervene but want evidence to deal with things retrospectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: People were warned. They ignored the warnings. Yes it could and should have been spent elsewhere but that isnt down to our chairwoman, its down to the fukwits in our support who go to matches to cause bother. I hope it makes an impact. Our travelling fans need to do more at away games too, some things seem to be more easily accepted on the road. Correct. The problem is with the fukwits - they are costing us all monet which could be better spent. I'm glad Budge has gone seriously public with this. It might, (although it's unlikely given past experience) make some people realise that we all have to work together to eradicate this crap behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, OTT said: Just another attack on the working class football fan. Football is a passionate, emotional outlet to escape from the 9-5. I'm not condoning truly unacceptable conduct, but part of what makes football unique and special is the atmosphere, be that hostile and volatile - Its raw passion. Things like this are a ridiculous waste of money that aims to sterilise Tynecastle of what makes it unique. Budges inability to comprehend this will forever be a 'yes but..' in her legacy. Nonsense, lots of working class folk can go to the football without acting like a *****. You are actually being a dick by implying working class folk can't go to a game without breaking the law or acting in a normal way. Horrible post imo. The cctv will help remove the direct racists and bigots. That is a good thing. It will also help identify arseholes and allow the police and club to keep a diligent eye on them. All that will allow the 99% of us to enjoy the games in a atmosphere free of racism, bigotry and general arseholness. If you want to act like a ***** then Tynecastle isn't for them. All good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 If you walk down the main street of any city, or enter most big shops, you will be subject to close camera surveillance perhaps without realising. If you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about. Here Mrs B is alerting people to the fact that cameras do/will exist so you'd have to be stupid or p*ssed to commit an indiscretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, rick witter said: Of course it could have but then they wouldn’t have the high and mighty Newspaper headlines. Its all a bit pathetic. Just spend the money and put the CCTV in but there is absolutely no need to broadcast it to the world. Pretty sure you have been very vocal about the club and how it communicates. Surely you aren't saying all our costs should be kept secret and money should just be spent without any notification? You've been on here saying we should be more transparent etc, but when it doesn't suit you come out with shite like this. Ffs, if we spent £50 on a new lock that wasn't needed you'd be the first on here balling your eyes out and screaming about the fans money and accountability. Tbh, You've gone that far you are now a parody of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, luckydug said: She doesn't have to condemn the OF fans. She doesn't have to get into a war of words with OF clubs over this. Hearts have every right to decide who they want in OUR STADIUM if it's decided we only want a minimal amount of away fans then that's our choice. Rangers and Celtic have already restricted away supports. It would be hypocritical of them to complain if we followed suit. One section for OF and two sections for Aberdeen and Hibs imo. Correct. No problem with the money spent here or the condemnation of the complete and utter arseholes in our support. As long as she continues to ignore the behaviour of Celtic and Hibs fans in the roseburn in favour of coin, she’s going to (quite rightly imo) open herself up to criticism. Show the Hearts fans you’re being consistent with regards ALL fans inside the stadium. This ‘get our house in order first’ EXCUSE no longer washes. Our players and staff are being assaulted ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Whatever said: Correct. No problem with the money spent here or the condemnation of the complete and utter arseholes in our support. As long as she continues to ignore the behaviour of Celtic and Hibs fans in the roseburn in favour of coin, she’s going to (quite rightly imo) open herself up to criticism. Show the Hearts fans you’re being consistent with regards ALL fans inside the stadium. This ‘get our house in order first’ EXCUSE no longer washes. Our players and staff are being assaulted ffs. Whilst being a donater I'm happy with her work at Tynie but we need her to get to work on the true bigots in Scottish football, SFA/SPFL included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: Nonsense, lots of working class folk can go to the football without acting like a *****. You are actually being a dick by implying working class folk can't go to a game without breaking the law or acting in a normal way. Horrible post imo. The cctv will help remove the direct racists and bigots. That is a good thing. It will also help identify arseholes and allow the police and club to keep a diligent eye on them. All that will allow the 99% of us to enjoy the games in a atmosphere free of racism, bigotry and general arseholness. If you want to act like a ***** then Tynecastle isn't for them. All good. Wow... Its not often I can sit here and actually be flabbergasted someone has actually taken the time to delve so deeply into a post to find offence that was not there. I'm implying nothing, and I think your immediate jump to assume that I am is pretty pathetic. Its a face value post aimed at legitimately criticising Budges view. I'd actually argue that your view of my post should be more directed towards Budge, after all, her view, backed up by her actions seem to be that fans can't go to the games without taking part in unacceptable conduct and thus all need to be watched better. I think you've taken my criticism of Budge personally. Its not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 5 hours ago, 7628mm said: Hearts have spent £100,000 installing CCTV in Tynecastle during the close season. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/hearts-owner-ann-budge-outlines-reasons-for-100k-spend-on-cctv-1-4960337?fbclid=IwAR3W26Qv0KkVe9OCigIR3fk_sL5qMBZuZylB77npjKfZLzfcFa7fQzvYWwo Money well spent or would it have been spent better on the playing side? Some other things from the article could also be up for an adult debate on here but we will see what happens. Fill your boots kids Didn't click on the link as it's the EEN however I can only assume the upgrade was necessary and I'm told the 100k is actually a reasonable price for a modern day sporting arena to be fully monitored. What it will be used for God only knows . The Kids are Alright ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 When this was announced today there was a frenzy on Facebook pages about it. Oddly every person getting their knickers in a twist and ranting about it seemed to have very similar Facebook pages. A least one union flag, pictures of themselves and their equally neddy little mates, and if there were any images of players it tended to be Kyle Lafferty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Tazio said: When this was announced today there was a frenzy on Facebook pages about it. Oddly every person getting their knickers in a twist and ranting about it seemed to have very similar Facebook pages. A least one union flag, pictures of themselves and their equally neddy little mates, and if there were any images of players it tended to be Kyle Lafferty. So you seen one union flag on one persons page then yeah and just decided to make the rest up!! Braw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 42 minutes ago, rick witter said: So you seen one union flag on one persons page then yeah and just decided to make the rest up!! Braw Read his post again and again and again. Maybe again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 10 hours ago, rick witter said: Of course it could have but then they wouldn’t have the high and mighty Newspaper headlines. Its all a bit pathetic. Just spend the money and put the CCTV in but there is absolutely no need to broadcast it to the world. There's every need. Now some folk will think twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 10 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: That could have been spent on a decent left back or winger. These pricks must be really proud. 10 hours ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: If small minority behaved that's money that could've been spent on a player Exactly, if it wasn't for the minority of idiots we wouldn't have to have spent that amount and it could have been spent on the playing side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, The Future's Maroon said: Exactly, if it wasn't for the minority of idiots we wouldn't have to have spent that amount and it could have been spent on the playing side. If refs can have VAR so can Stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glottis Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Publicising it is very much a preempt to any media asking "what are the club doing?" if bother happens this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 At least we'll be top of the security league now. Exciting times!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Dale Cooper Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I'm not a fan of surveillance in general, but it seems to be the way society is going. On the otherhand, If it identifies the (seemingly) increasing number of miscreants in our support I'm hesitatingly for it. Also it can't be proven but hopefully the 100k outlay will be less than the money saved in future fines etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: People were warned. They ignored the warnings. Yes it could and should have been spent elsewhere but that isnt down to our chairwoman, its down to the fukwits in our support who go to matches to cause bother. I hope it makes an impact. Our travelling fans need to do more at away games too, some things seem to be more easily accepted on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Boab said: I think most people accept change. I will make a, pretty sure, prediction though. There will be threads...maybe even this one...after an OF visit to Tynecastle, with many posts questioning the validity of this system, when it appears, appears mind, that the rules are not being enforced across the board. To put my cynical hat on....if this results in a big increase in Roseburn bad behaviour being prosecuted at Cat A games...i’ll eat my hat ! If the footage of what goes on in the school end at Old Firm games is passed to the police then they haves duty to follow it up. Let’s just see how all of this pans out before passing judgement. I get the impression that our hand (and Hibs hand) has been forced with this after the behaviour of a few at certain games. We have had to be see to be doing something. Folk should forget all the whitabootery because we all know that the GFA will look for someone to scapegoat for the pyrotechnics and the coin throwing. You can bet your bottom dollar that no matter what it won’t be either of the Old Firm. By spending this money we at least can show that we are taking this seriously and taking steps to eradicate the problem. It might just save us money in the long term if the clown that like to indulge in that sort of thing can’t control themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Special Agent Dale Cooper said: I'm not a fan of surveillance in general, but it seems to be the way society is going. On the otherhand, If it identifies the (seemingly) increasing number of miscreants in our support I'm hesitatingly for it. Also it can't be proven but hopefully the 100k outlay will be less than the money saved in future fines etc. Make no mistake. The minority is growing. We need to get on top of this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Everyone objecting to this clearly has something to hide. Either you're behaving badly or you're f\_/ck ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Deevers said: If the footage of what goes on in the school end at Old Firm games is passed to the police then they haves duty to follow it up. Let’s just see how all of this pans out before passing judgement. I get the impression that our hand (and Hibs hand) has been forced with this after the behaviour of a few at certain games. We have had to be see to be doing something. Folk should forget all the whitabootery because we all know that the GFA will look for someone to scapegoat for the pyrotechnics and the coin throwing. You can bet your bottom dollar that no matter what it won’t be either of the Old Firm. By spending this money we at least can show that we are taking this seriously and taking steps to eradicate the problem. It might just save us money in the long term if the clown that like to indulge in that sort of thing can’t control themselves. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle Valhalla Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 This is an absolute must and should have been done decades ago - will start to help improve behaviour away fans can now be identified too - I remember the Celtic game where Lennon got ‘attacked’ and their fans did some right nasty stuff but got away with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deevers said: If the footage of what goes on in the school end at Old Firm games is passed to the police then they haves duty to follow it up. Let’s just see how all of this pans out before passing judgement. I get the impression that our hand (and Hibs hand) has been forced with this after the behaviour of a few at certain games. We have had to be see to be doing something. Folk should forget all the whitabootery because we all know that the GFA will look for someone to scapegoat for the pyrotechnics and the coin throwing. You can bet your bottom dollar that no matter what it won’t be either of the Old Firm. By spending this money we at least can show that we are taking this seriously and taking steps to eradicate the problem. It might just save us money in the long term if the clown that like to indulge in that sort of thing can’t control themselves. Well said mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Artful Dodger said: Excellent stuff. Hopefully get some "eyes" in the toilets at Half time to root out the smokers and Buckie drinkers as well. Get rid of the scum is obviously high on the agenda. Good news. Im ok then, not had buckie for years, midori though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Im ok then, not had buckie for years, midori though ? Drinking midori in the Tynecastle toilets. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Drinking midori in the Tynecastle toilets. ? As if Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 hours ago, OTT said: Just another attack on the working class football fan. Football is a passionate, emotional outlet to escape from the 9-5. I'm not condoning truly unacceptable conduct, but part of what makes football unique and special is the atmosphere, be that hostile and volatile - Its raw passion. Things like this are a ridiculous waste of money that aims to sterilise Tynecastle of what makes it unique. Budges inability to comprehend this will forever be a 'yes but..' in her legacy. Was going to respond to this but OLLB pretty much wrote what I was about to: 8 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: Nonsense, lots of working class folk can go to the football without acting like a *****. You are actually being a dick by implying working class folk can't go to a game without breaking the law or acting in a normal way. Horrible post imo. The cctv will help remove the direct racists and bigots. That is a good thing. It will also help identify arseholes and allow the police and club to keep a diligent eye on them. All that will allow the 99% of us to enjoy the games in a atmosphere free of racism, bigotry and general arseholness. If you want to act like a ***** then Tynecastle isn't for them. All good. I can’t for the life of me see how installing CCTV is an “attack on the working class fan.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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