Coburg Hearts Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gizmo said: So let's get this straight. As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to: - Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement - Hire the PureGym for pre-season training - Hire the Oriam for reserve matches The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever. It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf. So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. This is a great post and I hope some of the hobbits on here read it, though they are usually conspicuous by their absence on those kind of threads. Thanks, Gizmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, SUTOL said: I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said: I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ? I was wondering if there was still some kind of "goodwill" from that. Edited August 21, 2019 by Coburg Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said: I might be wrong but didn't we contribute a fair whack of the original building costs when we got cash from SMG in the dim and distant past ? £2.35 million, almost half the costs. Since then what we've been paying in rent has more than paid off the rest. It would be interesting to compare the startup costs and annual rent we pay to what it cost Hibs to build their shed, and how much it costs them to run it every year, as well as comparing what each club gets for the money facilities wise. Edited August 21, 2019 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gizmo said: So let's get this straight. As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to: - Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement - Hire the PureGym for pre-season training - Hire the Oriam for reserve matches The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever. It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf. So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads! Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its. Edited August 21, 2019 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads! Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Gizmo said: So let's get this straight. As 100% fully paid up owners of East Mains, Hibs still have to: - Hire the Jack Kane centre for indoor training when the weather is inclement - Hire the PureGym for pre-season training - Hire the Oriam for reserve matches The "academy" side of it hasn't brought through a sellable asset in years, if ever. It's basically a barn with a small indoor 5 a side pitch and a couple of bits of astro-turf. So yeah, go on about "owning" such an asset. It's like boasting you own a fully paid up lada rather than leasing a BMW. Sounds like it’s only fit for getting flattened and houses built on it... if only someone would buy it and take out security on it... oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 "In perpetuity" was something they bandied about when they opened their place. Aye the sole cost of running and maintaining a place in a s**t location, "in perpetuity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Prof said: What sort of training ground is best. A new state of the art facility run in conjunction with a leading University on the outskirts of Edinburgh or a pitch built by laying a few inches of top soil on the ruins of a clapped out diary next to an outdoor pig farm run by a Deidco supporter near Ormiston. It's kind of like a guy who owns a 1 bedroom flat trying to score points over a guy who rents a luxury penthouse, because the penthouse guy doesn't own his property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: Not only that but they went into a free-fall starting THE DAY AFTER it opened that lasted over 10 years. Money well spent lads! Opened on the 19th December and Collins resigned on the 20th. One of my favourite HIbsing-its. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Sums them up perfectly Edited August 21, 2019 by 1971fozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Speaking to a really interesting chap last night who seemed to know quite a bit about the goings on inside ER. He reckoned that as part of Ron’s “ come back with your plans for the next year” that Dempster had been told to prepare a report for him on reducing the overheads. Maybe some serious belt tightening on the horizon for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 12 hours ago, SUTOL said: I don't know the figures involved, in either our deal with Oriam or Hibs costs at EM, but in response to the bit about part-time/limited access...We have our own area within Oriam, our own offices and changing rooms etc. Those bits aren't used by anyone else. Even on the sponsors morning visit we didn't get access into there. The pitches both of the indoor pitches and the outdoor pitches are available to rent for the general public, but have priority for these for training and matches. But the HMFC training centre (which we contributed to) was there before ORIAM, so aren't the two places different, i.e. are you sure HMFC has offices etc. in ORIAM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, ericb said: But the HMFC training centre (which we contributed to) was there before ORIAM, so aren't the two places different, i.e. are you sure HMFC has offices etc. in ORIAM? The whole place is now Oriam, the Hearts area is still where it was/mostly was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 8 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: Sums them up perfectly A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, martoon said: A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". and an additional soap cannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: and an additional soap cannon They wouldn't know what hit 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav M Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, milky_26 said: and an additional soap cannon Tcp would be more apt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, milky_26 said: and an additional soap cannon I’ll upgrade that to 🔥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 look a the state of East mains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Then you look at this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, martoon said: They wouldn't know what hit 'em. ^^^^^^ An underappreciated post Edited August 22, 2019 by Konrad von Carstein None of your business :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, kimosavi said: look a the state of East mains I guess they put their boots on at their cars and that’s them on for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, martoon said: A moment in time that just shrieks "WATER CANNON". Or or even Edited August 22, 2019 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, kimosavi said: Then you look at this But I am a little confused, while Hibs own their own pigsty, what happened to the Hearts' Academy building (west of Oriam), is it still officially the Hearts Academy or has it been absorbed by Oriam and Hearts now only pay for using the Oriam facilities. Did Pieman not invest the STV loan money into the Academy if so did Hearts make any money from Oriam moving in or did it all go Heriot-Watt? I notice that Hibs U20 were using Oriam as their home pitch last season while Hearts U20 used Ochilview. This season I see that the U20/Reserves are using Prestonfield, strange that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1964m Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: Sums them up perfectly Thankyou mum and dad for a great day out on the climbing frames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said: ^^^^^^ An underappreciated post 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Or or even Can't decide, so both please. That would get them back in their seats pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Or or even Hampden would have been flattened as well. Two for one. In fact, chuck in the rangers fans and it's a 3 for 1. Doing a Public service, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, kimosavi said: look a the state of East mains Loving the attempt to make it look nicer: Some bushes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, martoon said: Loving the attempt to make it look nicer: Some bushes. Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron of ness Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 What do the vermin own??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, baron of ness said: What do the vermin own??? Weekends their sisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Ron did say he wanted to improve the training facilities. Even he has seen the issue with the chicken barn not being up to standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dallas Green said: Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂 Scratch 1875-202? and it's a gravestone... ...and me having a wee dance 'roond it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Tasavallan said: But I am a little confused, while Hibs own their own pigsty, what happened to the Hearts' Academy building (west of Oriam), is it still officially the Hearts Academy or has it been absorbed by Oriam and Hearts now only pay for using the Oriam facilities. Did Pieman not invest the STV loan money into the Academy if so did Hearts make any money from Oriam moving in or did it all go Heriot-Watt? I notice that Hibs U20 were using Oriam as their home pitch last season while Hearts U20 used Ochilview. This season I see that the U20/Reserves are using Prestonfield, strange that. The original building is still Hearts academy. Hearts have the rooms, changing rooms and indoor pitch there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 We landed on our feet with our arrangement! What we have now was never the plan, we were going to be joint owners of a much smaller facility. But our journey led us through financial difficulties, administration, then we got really really lucky with it being chosen for Oriam. Now we have a long term lease on genuinely top facilities on a low rent deal that we'd never get anywhere else. The facilities are maintained by a company worth many many millions, with hundreds of staff behind them - we don't even need to worry about costs, just the rent, a known quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Dallas Green said: Dont forget their big carved rock thing 😂 Must have got that cheap off Ed Milliband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Smart eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, kimosavi said: look a the state of East mains Yeah but Hearts are missing out on not having silage silo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, dannymack said: Smart eh ? ******* tramp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Is the ' N ' missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, queensferryjambo said: Yeah but Hearts are missing out on not having silage silo? It does look like they have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Pretty smart for crayon. Pity his Mum/Sister cannae spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 He could get that fixed. Shark bite or a circular saw would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, jamboinglasgow said: The original building is still Hearts academy. Hearts have the rooms, changing rooms and indoor pitch there. Cheers, it's been a few years since my lad played there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 ...and winner should really be plural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Barack said: Option 1. Lovely thing. I'll see you and I'll raise you: "Spooky 32, use 105 shells. Bring the rain." Edited August 22, 2019 by trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, martoon said: ...and winner should really be plural. Didn’t notice that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Reminds me of a guy we saw on holiday once that had a huge tattoo on his back for Wolverhampton WANDERS Edited August 22, 2019 by The Treasurer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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