Roxy Hearts Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 My wife has her friends over and not one of them support independence. When you try to explain to them some of the reasons it's literally fingers in ears and I mean literally! I gave an example of that lieing moron Boris Johnson and although they think he's an axxxhxxx they still can't think for themselves. These are intelligent women! I despair at some of our people, especially those who should know better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 hours ago, indianajones said: Someone buy me a 50 tonne excavator and I'll start digging the trench sea to sea immediately. We are completely different people. Not even close to having the same mindsets and ideologies. Absolutely correct. Being Scottish can be hard work as lot of uneducated........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Lord BJ said: Well I wouldn’t class my self a unionist. Voted no last time and if a referendum tomorrow would likely vote yes. Though in truth my decision would be based on where we were if one was called; which I don’t think will be all that soon actually. However, watching the clips, I just found it funny. Strangely I don’t put too much worth in what Paul Burrell (ex butler), Nicola someone (glamour model/wag/big brother contestant) and a journalist/columnist who I recognise as a 80’s version of Katie Hopkins. Their opinion doesn’t really impact the effectiveness of Scotland’s place in the union. Does it? Paul Burrell thinking Scotland has oil, whiskey and monster just shows why his skills lay at being told what to do and keep his mouth. It doesn’t impact anything other than me being aware that some ignorant people in England. That’s not a unique thing to England, I come across lots of ignorant Scottish people everyday!!!’ To be honest I would be more concerned if someone watched that and it influenced the way they voted. Who votes on the basis of some no mark think sScotland couldn’t cope? I think that that clip will appeal to people who like to stir grievance with England. Independence isn’t really about Scotland v England for me. It’s about the best form of governance for Scotland. That actually doesn’t get influenced by idiots saying stupid things . It just doesn’t factor into my thinking in much the same way that Scottish bams claiming we will be land and honey when cut free from evil English don’t. A lion doesn’t concern himself with the thoughts of sheep. ??♂️ This is a good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Jeremy Vine seems a good guy. It's only views of the ignorant, it's no his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 11 hours ago, indianajones said: We are completely different people. Not even close to having the same mindsets and ideologies. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 14 hours ago, John Findlay said: I have a simple unscientific method of how bias this union is. Watch any general quiz programme on television. If an English person gets a question with regards Scotland. 9 times out of 10 they get it wrong. Aye. Stock answers are Glasgow, Rangers/Celtic and Mary Queen of Scots/Bonnie Prince Charlie to pretty much any question an English lerson gets asked about Scotland. Unless its Tipping Point where the average punter on that struggles with their name, the days of the week and numbers over 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 19 hours ago, indianajones said: We are completely different people. Not even close to having the same mindsets and ideologies. Absolutely agree with this 100%, it's time we just wished each other all the best and went our own separate ways now, the two countries have pretty much nothing in common any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Anyone else watch Children of the Devolution? Donald Dewar was some man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Anyone else watch Children of the Devolution? Donald Dewar was some man. Was in the wrong party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Was in the wrong party. SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: SNP? Should have been imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Should have been imho A good socialist, tho. Just like I was. When I mean I, I mean ma Da. Edited June 27, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 23 hours ago, indianajones said: We are completely different people. Not even close to having the same mindsets and ideologies. The only Jocks who ever come out with this, never have much to do with the English or England, and usually stay in some background town. In my experience anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, pablo said: The only Jocks who ever come out with this, never have much to do with the English or England, and usually stay in some background town. In my experience anyway. I take it you're not Scottish. Cause you receive a swift boot in the baws if you called me a Jock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, pablo said: The only Jocks who ever come out with this, never have much to do with the English or England, and usually stay in some background town. In my experience anyway. Laughable post. I live on Deeside. Surrounded by white settlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Watched the clip. My god! Ignorant folk preaching to simpletons. Do those presenters actually believe what they are saying? And whats that blonde bimbo on about? Born to Scottish parents as well my wife tells me! Feck sake!!! Seems you can get away with saying almost anything on TV as long as you deliver it like you really seem to know what you are talking about and the morons will lap it up! "A monster in a lake" A LAKE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, pablo said: The only Jocks who ever come out with this, never have much to do with the English or England, and usually stay in some background town. In my experience anyway. Ignorant opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Watched the clip. My god! Ignorant folk preaching to simpletons. Do those presenters actually believe what they are saying? And whats that blonde bimbo on about? Born to Scottish parents as well my wife tells me! Feck sake!!! Seems you can get away with saying almost anything on TV as long as you deliver it like you really seem to know what you are talking about and the morons will lap it up! "A monster in a lake" A LAKE!!! The Lake Ness Monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, ri Alban said: The Lake Ness Monster. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 On 26/06/2019 at 20:58, John Findlay said: I have a simple unscientific method of how bias this union is. Watch any general quiz programme on television. If an English person gets a question with regards Scotland. 9 times out of 10 they get it wrong. Ask a Scottish person a question regarding England and 9 times out of 10 they get it correct. My two eldest English born and bred and English educated. Were unaware that Edinburgh was the capital of Scotland. Cardiff the capital of Wales and Belfast the capital of Northern Ireland. They are taught at school that Britain is England. Get sick of English people referring to any town or city in Scotland as .... Scotland. They don't go to Edinburgh they go to Scotland. They don't go to Aberdeen they go to Scotland. I'm going to London, I'm going to Liverpool. I don't say I'm going to England Fecking peasants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 11 hours ago, pablo said: The only Jocks who ever come out with this, never have much to do with the English or England, and usually stay in some background town. In my experience anyway. Possibly the worst trolling seen for a good while. I'd suggest your experience is very limited, perhaps like someone from a 'background town's, whatever that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I must admit I wasn’t aware that Scottish GDP per capita was higher than rUK. I think it’s one of these things where both sides bend statistics to suit their arguments. Scotland also has a much higher public spend per capita. Happy to be corrected, but last time I checked the delta in public spending between Scotland and rUK outweighed the delta in incomes so Scotland is reasonably significantly out of pocket, a gap currently bridged by the UK government. At the end of the day, it comes down to whether you think a more localised government (Holyrood) would be sufficiently more successful in governing Scotland than Westminster to make the transition worth it. In my personal opinion, in spite of the utter cluster**** seen down South, I don’t see the Scottish government being able to make up the shortfall for two reasons. 1) The shortfall is not insignificant. It would require a lot of additional income (through tax receipts realistically) or a lot of public spending cuts. 2) Scotland leans further left than rUK so the likelihood of Scotland accepting additional public sector cuts is very unlikely. That’s my personal opinion and I fully appreciate others believe an independent Scotland, with full fiscal autonomy, would be able to overcome the shortfall and then more, making it a more prosperous place to live. I totally respect that opinion. What I don’t respect, and this applies equally to both sides, is the vitriol and groupthink bullshit that goes on. The extremes of both camps seems to be more and more polarised and growing, making people more and more hardened in their position. I’d ask people to climb down and have positive constructive discussions on the matter, it’s the only way to break the impasse. Sadly, there’s more chance of me sucking myself off than that happening in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 26/06/2019 at 05:44, ri Alban said: Unification and Scottish Independence would and wouldn't solve a lot. Just flips the coin. But Independence is the best thing for everybody. Scotland will still be part of the United Kingdoms, so the I really don't get the loyalists rage. (unless it becomes a republic). But, I'm sure we're not going to act like the British have with the EU during the Brexit years. That would be pathetic, wouldn't it. Anyway, after 300+(Officially) years of trying to turn us into English. If it hasn't worked by now, well... Defence is the main reason England needs Scotland, our border is huge. And we die easily enough for them to sleep at night. There's the natural resources too, which bolster the credit rating and their English pound. We'll see soon enough, how much Scotland is really worth and isn't £180b GDP. Have a look at Norway, were bigger and have more resources than they do, they're about £400b GDP and rising. They don't give away their oil for free, simple. Edinburgh is also something like the 35th biggest GFC in the world. Only two places behind Monaco and ahead of places like Madrid. Theres a **** load of money in Scotland and the English want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Keep saying it and I'll say it again. If we go independent the English will be begging us to help them out in 30-40 years when they run dry of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Keep saying it and I'll say it again. If we go independent the English will be begging us to help them out in 30-40 years when they run dry of water. I believe they’re already in the process of building pipelines to pump water out of Scotland like they already do in Wales. Pumping it out of here into private water companies hands to charge their customers ffs. Unreal. Water will be a precious commodity in years to come without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: I believe they’re already in the process of building pipelines to pump water out of Scotland like they already do in Wales. Pumping it out of here into private water companies hands to charge their customers ffs. Unreal. Water will be a precious commodity in years to come without a doubt. Which is why it should be in public hands, and not at the caprice of private enterprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, Boris said: Which is why it should be in public hands, and not at the caprice of private enterprise. It’s one of the things conveniently forgotten when people say stuff like we’re the highest taxed in the U.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Get sick of English people referring to any town or city in Scotland as .... Scotland. They don't go to Edinburgh they go to Scotland. They don't go to Aberdeen they go to Scotland. I'm going to London, I'm going to Liverpool. I don't say I'm going to England Fecking peasants It annoys me when on the BBC they say (for example) “We’ve had callers from Little Twiddleham, Small Blighty-on-the-Down, Godforsaken-on-Humber and Edinburgh.... Scotland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I have to say though, you Central Belt sorts are the same when it comes to “The Highlands” which is all one place north of Dumbarton/Perth. I’ve sat in the away end at ICT and heard someone (was it you?) confidently tell his mates that the large body of water adjacent was Loch Ness and been on a train going through Killiecrankie and hearing that we were in Glencoe.... ”Oh you’re from Fort William? We were at a wedding in Dornoch last month” Very nice. It’s 110 miles north, but very nice. <sigh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, FWJ said: I have to say though, you Central Belt sorts are the same when it comes to “The Highlands” which is all one place north of Dumbarton/Perth. I’ve sat in the away end at ICT and heard someone (was it you?) confidently tell his mates that the large body of water adjacent was Loch Ness and been on a train going through Killiecrankie and hearing that we were in Glencoe.... ”Oh you’re from Fort William? We were at a wedding in Dornoch last month” Very nice. It’s 110 miles north, but very nice. <sigh> You might also add the historical hatred and contempt the lowland Scots had for the 'highland Irish' people and their culture. Now everyone likes to show off in a kilt. Funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, FWJ said: I have to say though, you Central Belt sorts are the same when it comes to “The Highlands” which is all one place north of Dumbarton/Perth. I’ve sat in the away end at ICT and heard someone (was it you?) confidently tell his mates that the large body of water adjacent was Loch Ness and been on a train going through Killiecrankie and hearing that we were in Glencoe.... ”Oh you’re from Fort William? We were at a wedding in Dornoch last month” Very nice. It’s 110 miles north, but very nice. <sigh> Invernessians are the same. Us Southerners are ok as long as we're not living there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said: You might also add the historical hatred and contempt the lowland Scots had for the 'highland Irish' people and their culture. Now everyone likes to show off in a kilt. Funny that. You'd give a migraine a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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