Mr Elwood P Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: I agree that Freedman was an ambitious choice and it was unfortunate that he got the DOF role. We should have widened the search at that point imo. Alessio will immediately command respect from the players, given the level he has worked at, and won trophies at. He has worked with top players along with Conte and will have vast experience to bring to the club. Steven Gerrard too was an ambitious appointment with next to no experience in management and he did well last season. Steven Gerrard did not do well. They had the flukiest Europa League run imaginable, were bombed out of both cups by an Aberdeen team with less than a third of their budget and finished some distance behind a Celtic team who were nowhere near as convincing as they had been. The two Old Firm wins have altered perceptions but they effectively handed Celtic the treble, by capitulating against Aberdeen and by perusing the disastrous Lafferty signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Did he have a football career as a player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: Maybe after Cathro - one of the most ambitious appointments ever in Scotland - Budge wanted to play it safe and the season had already started so time was running out. I thought Dougie Freedman was a very exciting and ambitious target personally. Some you win... What is it about Alessio, a 54 year old who has never managed at this level, that makes you think it's an ambitious appointment out of interest? Anyhow, here's a list of EPL assistant managers and what they do. Maybe we can tempt one of them away? Seems to be a very specialist role though and a willingness to promote youth is a key ask for our future managers so we'll always look for someone with a record of working with and improving young players. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/14/premier-league-assistant-managers-who-are-they-what-do And Zola's contract is up at the end of the season so there it is - our dream team of CL as DoF and Zola as H/Coach. Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 An interesting appointment but one that I doubt will pay off. This is someone who is used to working with technically much better players and for clubs with massive budgets. He has little experience as a manager and hasn't worked in Scotland. I think people also underestimate the rebuild needed at Killie. That doesn't look like being the case this summer. Jones is off to Rangers. Bachmann, Mulumbu, Miller, Ndjoli, McAlney and Tshibola loans come to an end. No Stewart this year. Guys like Broadfoot, Burke, Boyd, Boyd, Dicker and Bruce all in their mid-30s. Maybe this appointment gets them lots of exciting loan signings but will believe it when I see it. Achieving the same result again this season would be even more impressive than managing it last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Very few foreign head coaches/managers do well in scotland tbh hope this once failed miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 hours ago, frankblack said: You are on every thread taking them off topic into a circular tedious anti-Levein rant with your followers. The main fans pissed off seem to be you and a select bunch of trolls. I for one couldn't care less about Killie, and want to see what transfer activity we make during the close season. Why on earth in that case are you viewing and posting on a thread about Killie and their new manager then? You don’t care but will use it to take pot shots at posters and call others that you don’t agree with trolls? Half the support as polls show are pissed off incase you missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Very few foreign head coaches/managers do well in scotland tbh hope this once failed miserably. Celtic and Rangers most successful coaches since 2000 have both been foreign. Sergio and Big Ivanauskis won the cups with us and not many other teams have actually appointed foreign managers apart from Bonetti who done not bad and Livi who appointed about a million duds. At Le Chimp to the hall of shame too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Good luck playing decent football on that pitch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: Good luck playing decent football on that pitch ? Does Contes teams play decent football? I remember them being hoofball shite and defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, jr ewing said: We are being left behind. Just 5 words but says it all. A sound post, jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 10 hours ago, JamboAl said: With that ratio we would have won 10 matches last season - we won 15. Just saying. We lost 17. So hopefully we can forget last season and do better this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: As Robbie Neilson did well for us. Rangers previous 3 managers bombed. Some you win etc... Killie appointing a new manager shouldn’t be an excuse to knock Hearts. Everything and anything is an excuse to knock Hearts. It's what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 7 hours ago, jr ewing said: We are being left behind. ?????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Inch Hearts said: Does Contes teams play decent football? I remember them being hoofball shite and defensive. Conte at Killie as well? How much times did you watch Contes teams to come to such a conclusion? Has he not won the Epl, seria A, fa cup plus a few others as manager... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Inch Hearts said: Why on earth in that case are you viewing and posting on a thread about Killie and their new manager then? You don’t care but will use it to take pot shots at posters and call others that you don’t agree with trolls? Half the support as polls show are pissed off incase you missed that. You accuse me of going off topic replying to a poster who derailed yet another thread and yet finish taking a dig at the manager. Hardly surprising as you have been all over these Levein Out threads and must be gutted no one cares what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: What makes you think that? I think that'll be what closed the deal. His salary will be modest compared to what he was on at Chelsea, Italy, Juventus etc. Billy Bowie will no doubt have offered incentives, and for a club like Killie, the EL group stages is as much the land of milk and honey as the CL is to Celtic for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Steven Gerrard did not do well. They had the flukiest Europa League run imaginable, were bombed out of both cups by an Aberdeen team with less than a third of their budget and finished some distance behind a Celtic team who were nowhere near as convincing as they had been. The two Old Firm wins have altered perceptions but they effectively handed Celtic the treble, by capitulating against Aberdeen and by perusing the disastrous Lafferty . It was a great achievement to get to the Europa League group stages. He also got them closer to Celtic . The sad fact for the rest of us next season is that the OF will both be considerably stronger and the 30 point gap between us will only increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Locky said: I think that'll be what closed the deal. His salary will be modest compared to what he was on at Chelsea, Italy, Juventus etc. Billy Bowie will no doubt have offered incentives, and for a club like Killie, the EL group stages is as much the land of milk and honey as the CL is to Celtic for example. You think an imaginary bonus for completing an impossible task sealed the deal? Kilmarnock are unlikely to be seeded and will most likely be knocked out the Europe League qualifiers in the first round they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: It was a great achievement to get to the Europa League group stages. He also got them closer to Celtic . The sad fact for the rest of us next season is that the OF will both be considerably stronger and the 30 point gap between us will only increase. Closed the gap from 12 points to 9 points. Still miles behind. They’re getting players on freedom of contract from Motherwell, Celtic are bidding £3m for their top prospect. I think Gerrard will be found out this season. Out the Europa League early doors and still way behind Celtic come May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Thommo414 said: Edit: apologies I do see you've now fielded this comparison a few times now. That'll teach me to read threads through before replying Anybody ever seen Cathro and Limmy in the same room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Closed the gap from 12 points to 9 points. Still miles behind. They’re getting players on freedom of contract from Motherwell, Celtic are bidding £3m for their top prospect. I think Gerrard will be found out this season. Out the Europa League early doors and still way behind Celtic come May. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You think an imaginary bonus for completing an impossible task sealed the deal? Kilmarnock are unlikely to be seeded and will most likely be knocked out the Europe League qualifiers in the first round they play. The opportunity to manage his own team will have likely sealed the deal, but I don't doubt Bowie will be prepared to offer bonuses is success is delivered. Getting beyond 2 or 3 rounds is a massive ask for Killie, of course I know that, but you seem shocked to think that a club would offer someone success based bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Everything and anything is an excuse to knock Hearts. It's what he does. You are on a thread about Alessio. It was derailed by posters trying to big up Levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 hours ago, 5jambo1 said: Yes. Very interesting appointment Recommended by Clarkey boy no doubt.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 hours ago, DG_HMFC said: The kind of appointment we should be making instead of what we currently have IMO, and that's not a dig at Levein, i just think we have so much potential to be great. Agree with this. Everything has changed for the good at the club except the philosophy of coaching. If Levein wasn't around, I wonder how Ann would approach the appointment of a new first team coach...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Locky said: The opportunity to manage his own team will have likely sealed the deal, but I don't doubt Bowie will be prepared to offer bonuses is success is delivered. Getting beyond 2 or 3 rounds is a massive ask for Killie, of course I know that, but you seem shocked to think that a club would offer someone success based bonuses. No. I’m shocked that anyone thinks Kilmarnock could get to the Europa League group stages. They will be lucky to win a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 8 hours ago, To Be Frank said: Good luck playing decent football on that pitch ? Pretty sure they’re tearing up the plastic this summer and putting down grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5jambo1 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Section Q said: Recommended by Clarkey boy no doubt.....? Quite possibly. He will certainly have lots of contacts which you would assume get him some decent players for this level. Being assistant is very different to actually being the main man so will be interesting to see how he does, also a step down in level so a brave decision for him to take the job. Obviously has learned and been part of a very successful management team so on paper a very ambitious appointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Anybody ever seen Cathro and Limmy in the same room? They’ve turned the fans against me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: No. I’m shocked that anyone thinks Kilmarnock could get to the Europa League group stages. They will be lucky to win a match. Not saying I think they will, just saying I think there'll be big incentives if they can get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Killie for the treble then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobreath Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 It might work for them, it might not. Not going to get too upset that we never went for someone like this. On the balance of probabilities I think he will fail. Interesting appointment all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Armageddon said: Anybody ever seen Cathro and Limmy in the same room? If I did, I'd hope I'd packed the Uzi and plenty ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Rabbit said: Pretty sure they’re tearing up the plastic this summer and putting down grass. They're not. They are laying another fully artifical surface. I've seen people claiming both ways so went on their website and there is a story about how great an artificial surface it will be. Apparently the same surface Barcelona have in their training facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Closed the gap from 12 points to 9 points. Still miles behind. They’re getting players on freedom of contract from Motherwell, Celtic are bidding £3m for their top prospect. I think Gerrard will be found out this season. Out the Europa League early doors and still way behind Celtic come May. That says more about Celtic last season than Rangers. Their recruitment was weird. Maybe they thought just having Rodgers was enough and I suppose it was in Scotland. This season they look like they'll spend some money on Scottish players but that's offset by appointing a much worse manager. I think Gerard will be off either way, especially as Rodgers is away. He'll also see what Lampard's doing and want a slice of that sort of success and recognition in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 hours ago, 5jambo1 said: Quite possibly. He will certainly have lots of contacts which you would assume get him some decent players for this level. Being assistant is very different to actually being the main man so will be interesting to see how he does, also a step down in level so a brave decision for him to take the job. Obviously has learned and been part of a very successful management team so on paper a very ambitious appointment It's also the style of football. Can he turn Killie into an Italian or top end EPL style possession and passing team? That seems to be all he knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 How is working at the very top level with some of the best players in the world a negative thing for someone coming to work in Scotland ffs Obviously killie dont have pirlo and Buffon but from working at that level for a decent part of his career he will have a great understanding of the best players available for their budget. You don’t just get to that level where you have unlimited budgets if you are shite. Im not sure if he’ll work out as a manager but it’s a positive appointment and another great addition to Scottish football. You want these guys in the game here as it boosts the profile of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Slim Stylee Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said: It’s Baywatch with spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: You are on a thread about Alessio. It was derailed by posters trying to big up Levein. And on the first page you derailed it by talking about Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rabbit Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Saint Jambo said: They're not. They are laying another fully artifical surface. I've seen people claiming both ways so went on their website and there is a story about how great an artificial surface it will be. Apparently the same surface Barcelona have in their training facility. A shame as it gives them a competitive advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: And on the first page you derailed it by talking about Hearts Hearts were discussed well before I posted. I didn't mention the club, I referred to fans who absurdly ask "who would we get". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 8 hours ago, doctor jambo said: If I did, I'd hope I'd packed the Uzi and plenty ammo ehhhhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Anyone want a bet that Killie will win a game in Europe this season? They play Welsh side Connah’s Quay in the first qualifying round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: Anyone want a bet that Killie will win a game in Europe this season? They play Welsh side Connah’s Quay in the first qualifying round. That would be huge justification for appointing Alessio, then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Interesting reading this thread when you read sensible Killie fans saying its given them the thought of they could be anywhere from 1-12 under him. Interesting appointment but by no means a guarantee of success. Good for Scottish football however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Not much on YouTube about him Must be ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 17/06/2019 at 10:58, John Findlay said: Killie for the treble then. You forgot the Europa League as well John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 As much as I applaud Killie for thinking outside the box in terms of manager appointments the reality is they will only go one of 2 ways. If successful (al la Clarke) they will be off when the first big offer comes in, if unsuccessful then Killie will have an expensive mistake to deal with. I am not knocking them I am just saying that you would want any managerial appointment to be medium to long term. Having said that Aberdeen have managed to keep hold of McInnes so it is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Bigger riddy - Killie getting humped off posties, or some of the boys on here nearly in tears that this appointment "left us behind"? Not for me to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Bigger riddy - Killie getting humped off posties, or some of the boys on here nearly in tears that this appointment "left us behind"? Not for me to say. ****ing hell I just seen this result. How embarrassing, they have embarrassed the whole of Scottish Football. What a joke. Getting pumped by a Welsh team, jeez! That Itallian boy isn’t going to last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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