davemclaren Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I think we can seriously say...he wont be missed (I've "unfriended" him on FB as well so that'll show im). Harsh. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Thank feck we never paid a fee to get him early!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You not got google? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/new-hearts-striker-david-vanecek-wants-to-be-scotland-s-top-goalscorer-1-4854204/amp “Wants to” is different from “will be”, wouldn’t you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Very similar to Musemc, Witteween, Eskilson, Beslija, Makela, et al. Probably a lot more that I have forgotten as well. We have signed some duds over the years. Willie Irvine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Can't believe he is getting knocked for saying he wanted to be top scorer.I bet we were all happy when we initially read the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/new-hearts-striker-david-vanecek-wants-to-be-scotland-s-top-goalscorer-1-4854204/amp I really, really like how you’ve posted this link three times, presumably without realising that it doesn’t prove your point at all. Quite the opposite, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Also to be fair to the guy if you don't get the opportunity there is not a lot you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You not got google? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/new-hearts-striker-david-vanecek-wants-to-be-scotland-s-top-goalscorer-1-4854204/amp So is this what everyone has been going on about him bigging himself up My word seriously. Hopefully the next guy comes in and says he only wants to score 3 goals and win no cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 This might sound slightly naive but we as a support need to know what went wrong. There have been some clangers over the past few years this one needs to be explained properly as folks hard earned is being thrown at these no hopers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: “Wants to” is different from “will be”, wouldn’t you agree? Yes, they are different words. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: I really, really like how you’ve posted this link three times, presumably without realising that it doesn’t prove your point at all. Quite the opposite, actually. Can you read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Strange all round. Got to think his family never settled, his wife gave birth over here, no family, friends. He never hit the ground running either so he could not have been happy. Imagine moving abroad, nae pals, wife gives birth, nae family, your new job went South. You'd want to go back home. Good luck. We must have freed up a decent amount of wages now. Hopefully we see the new arrivals steaming in soon, although might have to wait until Moyes is announced, he'll want to stamp his own authority over the team. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Armageddon said: And to think some JKB scouts wanted us to fork out the cash and get him here early. I'm glad he's away - we haven't half sign some unbelievably shite players these last few seasons! Ironically if came in early the Thailand trip might never have happened! Edited June 17, 2019 by Poseidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: Can you read? Yup. I read an interview saying he wanted to be top goal scorer and win trophies at Hearts. Not that he was definitely going to do it. Trying to pan a player for wanting to do well is peak Kickback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Morph said: So is this what everyone has been going on about him bigging himself up My word seriously. Hopefully the next guy comes in and says he only wants to score 3 goals and win no cups. Ambition seems to be a confusing concept to many on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 There is no way this guy is worse than Wighton.Given time to settle in and a proper run in the team he would have been an asset all imo of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: This might sound slightly naive but we as a support need to know what went wrong. There have been some clangers over the past few years this one needs to be explained properly as folks hard earned is being thrown at these no hopers. What if the reasons were personal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: This might sound slightly naive but we as a support need to know what went wrong. There have been some clangers over the past few years this one needs to be explained properly as folks hard earned is being thrown at these no hopers. It does not sound slightly naive. It's just plain ****ing stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Shite player stays for 3 years, this place greets. Shite player gets punted tout suite, this place greets. Few of you could do with having a day off tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Moysey Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Levein bigged him up before he arrived. Can't help but think he's not a bad player, just obviously pissed CL off. Move on though, there will be someone out there who can score more than 20 goals as a striker for us in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Willie Irvine. At least he had a few boozers in Rose St! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Yup. I read an interview saying he wanted to be top goal scorer and win trophies at Hearts. Not that he was definitely going to do it. Trying to pan a player for wanting to do well is peak Kickback. You said he didn’t talk himself up, three times. He clearly did, semantics over whether he was going to score the most goals or wanted to score the most goals. He gave the impression he was going to bang in the goals. He rocked up unfit and one flick aside did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Phil Dunphy said: Ambition seems to be a confusing concept to many on here. The guy has probably just thought he’s given a wee nothing statement to the press about how he wants to do well and this is what it’s turned into Will be very frustrating if he starts banging them in for his next club, personalities potentially getting in the way of the team having a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo414 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Armageddon said: And to think some JKB scouts wanted us to fork out the cash and get him here early. I'm glad he's away - we haven't half sign some unbelievably shite players these last few seasons! We almost bloody did apart from Teplice deciding they weren't gonna sell anymore. Thank god for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: What if the reasons were personal? Then without giving away in-depth details just simply say the minimum. Even say he left for personal reasons as things weren’t gong to plan rather than mutual consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: You said he didn’t talk himself up, three times. He clearly did, semantics over whether he was going to score the most goals or wanted to score the most goals. He gave the impression he was going to bang in the goals. He rocked up unfit and one flick aside did nothing. Surely you can’t actually believe that that article is him bigging himself up? Seriously, surely not? *Player signs for new club, tells the press he wants to do well for them* “***** THINKS HE’S MESSI” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I recall one of residents ikn’ers saying only a few days ago DV was fit and would get another chance.....or words to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: You said he didn’t talk himself up, three times. He clearly did, semantics over whether he was going to score the most goals or wanted to score the most goals. He gave the impression he was going to bang in the goals. He rocked up unfit and one flick aside did nothing. Why did we play him if he was unfit? And not just once. As regards his comments it's clearly the standard fayre you get from most strikers and most probably literally translated from his own language thus losing any nuance there may have been in his actual statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Morph said: The guy has probably just thought he’s given a wee nothing statement to the press about how he wants to do well and this is what it’s turned into Will be very frustrating if he starts banging them in for his next club, personalities potentially getting in the way of the team having a good player. A player saying he wants to win things at his new club turning into people saying he was bigging himself up is peak Kickback Anyway, good luck to him. Seemed like a nice lad, just didn’t work out for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: Surely you can’t actually believe that that article is him bigging himself up? Seriously, surely not? *Player signs for new club, tells the press he wants to do well for them* “***** THINKS HE’S MESSI” Wanting to score the most goals in the Scottish Premiership, which includes the like of Morelos, Defoe and Edouard is definitely a bold personal target. You can see why saying that would give folk the impression that he was going to score some goals, don’t you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, iainmac said: At least he had a few boozers in Rose St! ? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You said he didn’t talk himself up, three times. He clearly did, semantics over whether he was going to score the most goals or wanted to score the most goals. He gave the impression he was going to bang in the goals. He rocked up unfit and one flick aside did nothing. Heard his inability/ unwillingness to communicate in our language was one of the problems so can’t really be accused of talking himself up, if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Big Moysey said: Levein bigged him up before he arrived. Can't help but think he's not a bad player, just obviously pissed CL off. Move on though, there will be someone out there who can score more than 20 goals as a striker for us in a season. Really the closest we have came to that since Robbo was Lafferty and Walker(he ain't a striker) who didn't quite reached the 20.Im struggling to think of many that even get near 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Shite player stays for 3 years, this place greets. Shite player gets punted tout suite, this place greets. Few of you could do with having a day off tbh. ?????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: Wanting to score the most goals in the Scottish Premiership, which includes the like of Morelos, Defoe and Edouard is definitely a bold personal target. You can see why saying that would give folk the impression that he was going to score some goals, don’t you ? No, you’re right. That throwaway comment about him wanting to do well for Hearts is basically him saying he’s Raul. I hope any players coming into Hearts tell us they only want to score three goals and avoid relegation from now on. Positivity isn’t our bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: It does not sound slightly naive. It's just plain ****ing stupid. Not at all. Hyped up by many including the club and leaves with out a whimper not even sufficient game time to allow a proper appraisal by the fans. Let’s be clear here it’s obvious the club or most probably John Murray didn’t appraise his ability or temperament sufficiently for him to be a success. He is now one of many as indicated by others. Edited June 17, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scud Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Whoever replaces him has big shorts to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: No, you’re right. That throwaway comment about him wanting to do well for Hearts is basically him saying he’s Raul. I hope any players coming into Hearts tell us they only want to score three goals and avoid relegation from now on. Positivity isn’t our bag. “That’s why I wanted to come here. Ever since I was a boy my dream has been to play in British football. Now it’s happened I am very happy. I think my style will be very successful here.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who_put_the_ball_in... Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Making way for Moyes to bring in his own men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: You can’t actually believe that? If he was unfit, surely that was either obvious in training or during the Cup game. Why give him another 30 minutes 3 days later? Also, towards the end, Levein stated he was fit, but was lacking confidence. So, he couldn’t spot a players severe lack of fitness in weeks of training or a full 90 minutes of football. His way of ‘dealing with it’ shattered his confidence to the point of a mutual separation within 6 months. Or, the whole thing was to cover up the fact that the player was shite, and another example of woeful recruitment. In which of these scenarios did Levein do a ‘good job’? Sometimes it just doesn’t work out with a player. Best to get them out of the door ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Didn't work out. Money saved off the payroll so limited wage thief tendencies. Hopefully lessons learnt, get someone else who will fit in and be an asset to the team. Onto the next one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jodami said: Why did we play him if he was unfit? And not just once. As regards his comments it's clearly the standard fayre you get from most strikers and most probably literally translated from his own language thus losing any nuance there may have been in his actual statement. Perhaps didn’t realise how lacking in match sharpness he was until he saw him in a match. Then wanted to get him match fit. Then gave up with him or they’ve fallen out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Really the closest we have came to that since Robbo was Lafferty and Walker(he ain't a striker) who didn't quite reached the 20.Im struggling to think of many that even get near 10. Velicka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Pagey said: Hopefully lessons learnt, get someone else who will fit in and be an asset to the team. Onto the next one.. We don’t seem to be very good at doing this at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: “That’s why I wanted to come here. Ever since I was a boy my dream has been to play in British football. Now it’s happened I am very happy. I think my style will be very successful here.” One sentence? You’re basing his whole “bigging himself up” on one ****ing sentence? That’s a bit of a comedown from you previously saying he told us he was 100% going to be the top goalscorer in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said: Not at all. Hyped up by many including the club and leaves with out a whimper not even sufficient game time to allow a proper appraisal by the fans. Let’s be clear here it’s obvious the club or most probably John Murray didn’t appraise his ability or temperament sufficiently for him to be a success. He now one of many as indicated by others. Appraisal by the fans ???? Poor signing leaves club. Shocker. Go and check how many players have left clubs, it's part and parcel of the game. Some work out, some don't. The reasons for letting a player go by mutual consent is obvious. We don't want him, he doesn't want to be here. No explanation needed, "mutual consent" covers all you and I need to know. Go and email the club or write a letter if you want an explanation, doubt they will risk breaking the law though and indulge you on why a contract of employment was terminated with one of it's employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Dannie Boy said: Not at all. Hyped up by many including the club and leaves with out a whimper not even sufficient game time to allow a proper appraisal by the fans. Let’s be clear here it’s obvious the club or most probably John Murray didn’t appraise his ability or temperament sufficiently for him to be a success. He now one of many as indicated by others. Appraisal by the fans ???? Poor signing leaves club. Shocker. Go and check how many players have left clubs, it's part and parcel of the game. Some work out, some don't. The reasons for letting a player go by mutual consent is obvious. We don't want him, he doesn't want to be here. No explanation needed, "mutual consent" covers all you and I need to know. Go and email the club or write a letter if you want an explanation, doubt they will risk breaking the law though and indulge you on why a contract of employment was terminated with one of it's employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Embarrassing. Sounding like a broken record but the manager, backroom staff (every single scout) needs emptied. Complete and utter joke of a club with signings recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil Dunphy said: One sentence? You’re basing his whole “bigging himself up” on one ****ing sentence? That’s a bit of a comedown from you previously saying he told us he was 100% going to be the top goalscorer in the league. “I want to score the most goals in the Scottish league, and help Hearts win a trophy as well,” he stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Rangers signed Umar Sadiq and from the very first training session every Rangers player knew he wasn’t going to fit in or make it. Your first biggest challenge at a new club is making a positive impression with your new team mates. If you fail to make a impact with your team mates then you’ll always struggle. That’s what it come down to with Vanecek, IMO. His touch, his finishing, his passing all miles off it according to what I heard from players and coaches (Paul Gallagher, Jamie Brandon). That’s what killed him here. Managements first day back today and all ready getting things rolling in a positive way. Either way you look at the Vanecek situation at least the club have acted quickly and got him out the door. Having players like him, Sammon, Martin etc round the club mustve been doom and gloom for the players. Fresh start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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