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Mikey1874
12 minutes ago, Portable Badger said:

That's not being smug !   That's confidently assured of our natural place in the pecking order

 

What the USA women are. 

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ToadKiller Dog
2 hours ago, Rudolf said:

I was simply answering another poster who said the USA women's team would spank some of the teams in our league.

 

They clearly wouldn't.

Agree with that 100%, they wouldn't. 

Physicality the women teams can't compete. 

Playing against  under 15 boys is a good challenge for women's teams. 

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, Portable Badger said:

That's not being smug !   That's confidently assured of our natural place in the pecking order

In women’s football the US team is the same. 

 

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JamboM003
On 08/07/2019 at 13:49, Nucky Thompson said:

There must be a reason why Women's national sides get put up against 15 year old boys teams?

 

The same reason why some of the lowest ranked male tennis players would beat the top ranked female players. Physicality - it isn’t a level playing field. Beyond a certain age, boys become too strong and fast for women to be able to compete regardless if they have better technique. My daughter played at a high level in the women’s game  and I seen this time and again in pre-season friendlies.  Even if the boys team were average, they could rely on greater speed and strength to usually win the game.

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Der Kaiser
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Seymour M Hersh
1 hour ago, Der Kaiser said:

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Not a swallower then! :oohmatron:

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JamboM003
15 hours ago, JamboM003 said:

The same reason why some of the lowest ranked male tennis players would beat the top ranked female players. Physicality - it isn’t a level playing field. Beyond a certain age, boys become too strong and fast for women to be able to compete regardless if they have better technique. My daughter played at a high level in the women’s game  and I seen this time and again in pre-season friendlies.  Even if the boys team were average, they could rely on greater speed and strength to usually win the game.

I should add I am not being critical of the women’s game. I’m genuinely not and there are quality and technically gifted players and I have found a number of the games entertaining. My point is that you cannot make an assessment of the quality of the women’s game through comparison to the men’s game or through results from female v male games.

 

Perhaps another example taking different genders out of it is men’s boxing. You could have the most gifted pound for pound boxer at flyweight but you would not put him in against a heavyweight. The difference in size, weight and strength would make it a complete mismatch of a contest. That does not though result in the flyweights abilities not being recognised or valued. Everyone just accepts that it wouldn’t be a fair and even contest.

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jack D and coke

What an absolute arse that Rapinoe is. A proper annoying bint. 

All chanting equal pay as well...

:cornette:

 

 

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Fozzyonthefence
9 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

What an absolute arse that Rapinoe is. A proper annoying bint. 

All chanting equal pay as well...

:cornette:

 

 

 

What has she said now?

 

The equal pay thing is laughable.  The fans chanting it - do they even know what they are chanting for?  Is it equal pay for one particular team, or all teams? Do they want the amateur women players to get paid the same as professional men?   

 

Do they really believe the women should be paid the same as the men who generate billions of pounds through TV rights, sponsorships, etc, not to mention huge crowds at overpriced ticket prices?  Once they start generating the same levels of income as the men do, then people might start to take them seriously.

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jack D and coke
11 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

 

What has she said now?

 

The equal pay thing is laughable.  The fans chanting it - do they even know what they are chanting for?  Is it equal pay for one particular team, or all teams? Do they want the amateur women players to get paid the same as professional men?   

 

Do they really believe the women should be paid the same as the men who generate billions of pounds through TV rights, sponsorships, etc, not to mention huge crowds at overpriced ticket prices?  Once they start generating the same levels of income as the men do, then people might start to take them seriously.

I’ve just seen numerous videos of her on twitter and stuff and she just comes across a proper annoying idiot to be quite honest. Really, really annoying :lol: 

This equal pay lark has just got to stop as well imo. I seen the American fans all singing it at their games too, cringey as feck. 

Women need to get a grip of themselves and face facts their sport is for the most part, shite. 

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Fozzyonthefence
1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve just seen numerous videos of her on twitter and stuff and she just comes across a proper annoying idiot to be quite honest. Really, really annoying :lol: 

This equal pay lark has just got to stop as well imo. I seen the American fans all singing it at their games too, cringey as feck. 

Women need to get a grip of themselves and face facts their sport is for the most part, shite. 

 

USA is probably the only country where the women’s team generates more income than their men’s team.  However, to suggest the prize funds, as a whole, should be equal for the men’s and women’s world cups is mental.  

 

If women’s football is going to remain professional it really should do it off it’s own back instead of being bankrolled by FIFA or, at club level, by the FA or men’s clubs.  

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Normthebarman

Isn't it possible that they're asking for the same pay as the US men's team? In which case, they have a point. 

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jack D and coke
55 minutes ago, Normthebarman said:

Isn't it possible that they're asking for the same pay as the US men's team? In which case, they have a point. 

One of the Scottish girls mentioned it too during the tournament. 

At the end of the day if they can start to generate the same crowds and interest etc you can’t have any truck with it but it’s not there yet is it. It’s just unreasonable demands because they think it’s some sort of discrimination when it’s just not. 

 

 

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Justin Z

It honestly boggles my mind, this equal pay thing. I just can't wrap my head around it.

 

I say this as someone who got a big laugh out of a tweet I saw the day the US women won the World Cup for the fourth time--"So we're just gonna call it soccer and men's soccer now, right?" I mean, that's quality, and a wholly justified dig considering how shit the US men's team has been lately.

But similar to the women's tennis prize fund argument, the money has to come from somewhere--specifically, how many dollars/pounds/euros/yen/whatever your sport moves, and we all know women's football does not come close to comparing to men's football in that respect, even in the US. The American women's professional league has nine teams and no national TV agreement, while MLS has reached 24, an average attendance over 20,000, and live TV of every match.

 

 

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Taffin
18 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

It honestly boggles my mind, this equal pay thing. I just can't wrap my head around it.

 

I say this as someone who got a big laugh out of a tweet I saw the day the US women won the World Cup for the fourth time--"So we're just gonna call it soccer and men's soccer now, right?" I mean, that's quality, and a wholly justified dig considering how shit the US men's team has been lately.

But similar to the women's tennis prize fund argument, the money has to come from somewhere--specifically, how many dollars/pounds/euros/yen/whatever your sport moves, and we all know women's football does not come close to comparing to men's football in that respect, even in the US. The American women's professional league has nine teams and no national TV agreement, while MLS has reached 24, an average attendance over 20,000, and live TV of every match.

 

 

 

 

That's the crux of it. Equality is the equal opportunity to earn an equal wage imo. I don't see that women's football is being prevented that, it's up to them to market their game and generate those kind of funds.

 

They're not actually asking for equal pay, they're asking for subsidised pay. Would that accerlarate their game to help it stand on its own two feet sooner? Possibly. But it might not. I do think at an international level there would be merit to the associations investing equal amounts but at club level probably not.

 

As you say, the money has to come from somewhere and until the product commands that revenue from the market then it either needs to have lower salaries or be subsidised.

 

 

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Normthebarman
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Subsidised football already takes place in the mens game. It's arguable that it happens in our top flight. The sponsorship and TV deals are earned mainly because of the OF. Yet the cash is spread through the leagues. We've even argued ourselves that we should have an even bigger chunk of money to create a more level playing field. 

 

I don't think players at club level should earn the same but there's definitely an argument that the US women's team should get paid the same for their national appearances as their men. 

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Fozzyonthefence
1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

One of the Scottish girls mentioned it too during the tournament. 

At the end of the day if they can start to generate the same crowds and interest etc you can’t have any truck with it but it’s not there yet is it. It’s just unreasonable demands because they think it’s some sort of discrimination when it’s just not. 

 

 

 

Aren’t some of the Scottish internationalists only amateur?  How can amateurs expect to get paid the same as professionals, or even paid at all?  Aren’t they only supposed to get expenses?

 

Anyone know what going rate is for representing your country for men or women?  Presumably for World Cups it increases as there is a bigger prize fund?  But obviously the men’s World Cup generates way more income / prize money so it’s only right they should get paid more.

 

This women’s argument of equal pay is a bit like the worst salesperson at your company demanding to be paid the same as the best one.  It’s **** all to do with equality and I wish they’d give it a rest. And if they’re looking to get neutrals on board to follow their game and take it seriously I can actually see people getting put off with their constant whinging. 

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Justin Z
10 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

What an absolute arse that Rapinoe is. A proper annoying bint.

 

 

Maybe, but this piece does a great job of illustrating the landscape she's found herself thrust into, and her words here are frankly brilliantly presented.

Fifteen minutes on cable television that illustrated one of America's deepest political divides

 

She may not have thought about these issues sufficiently deeply, and therefore come across all wrong. She may be ignoring the very blatant fact that as a percentage of revenue, the women's national team is better compensated than the men's, in the States.

But damn, look at what's across the aisle from her.

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jbee647
13 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

What an absolute arse that Rapinoe is. A proper annoying bint. 

All chanting equal pay as well...

:cornette:

 

 

If clubs ie Hearts were forced to pay the women the same rate as men, the clubs would drop there teams like a hot potato 

I say this as a very proud father of a Hearts playing daughter, whose ambition is to be a professional football player.

 

 

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jack D and coke
2 minutes ago, jbee647 said:

If clubs ie Hearts were forced to pay the women the same rate as men, the clubs would drop there teams like a hot potato 

I say this as a very proud father of a Hearts playing daughter, whose ambition is to be a professional football player.

 

 

I bet you are proud mate and I hope she makes it the absolute best of luck to her. 

Like you say though I hope we don’t get forced down a road where the equality nonsense forces us to pay salaries just not realistic to what money the womans team can generate. 

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Taffin
3 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

Subsidised football already takes place in the mens game. It's arguable that it happens in our top flight. The sponsorship and TV deals are earned mainly because of the OF. Yet the cash is spread through the leagues. We've even argued ourselves that we should have an even bigger chunk of money to create a more level playing field. 

 

I don't think players at club level should earn the same but there's definitely an argument that the US women's team should get paid the same for their national appearances as their men. 

 

 

That's within a structure where those teams are competing against each other though. 

 

If the women's teams played in the same structure as the men's then yes, they should be subsidised to create a better product and improved sporting parity.

 

 

 

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Phil Dunphy

Equal pay in football doesn't exist, because it can't. It isn't a gender equality issue, it's a simple fact of the game.

 

Don't most international footballers donate their appearance money to charity anyway?

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Maple Leaf
16 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

What an absolute arse that Rapinoe is. A proper annoying bint. 

 

 

 

 

Each of us is entitled to our opinion, of course, and we disagree on that.

 

I watched the long interview with her on CNN and she came across as intelligent and articulate and not the least annoying. She's very outspoken on the 'equal pay' demand, which annoys many people but also has the support of many people. However, she is active in other areas of social justice, and more power to her.

 

She impressed me in that interview.

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jack D and coke
8 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Each of us is entitled to our opinion, of course, and we disagree on that.

 

I watched the long interview with her on CNN and she came across as intelligent and articulate and not the least annoying. She's very outspoken on the 'equal pay' demand, which annoys many people but also has the support of many people. However, she is active in other areas of social justice, and more power to her.

 

She impressed me in that interview.

Different strokes and all that ML👍🏼

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Nookie Bear
3 hours ago, jbee647 said:

If clubs ie Hearts were forced to pay the women the same rate as men, the clubs would drop there teams like a hot potato 

I say this as a very proud father of a Hearts playing daughter, whose ambition is to be a professional football player.

 

 

 

Well, we would have to drop one of our teams...🤔

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XB52
16 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve just seen numerous videos of her on twitter and stuff and she just comes across a proper annoying idiot to be quite honest. Really, really annoying :lol: 

This equal pay lark has just got to stop as well imo. I seen the American fans all singing it at their games too, cringey as feck. 

Women need to get a grip of themselves and face facts their sport is for the most part, shite. 

The women's game is more popular than the men in USA, at least internationally, so they probably do deserve equal pay

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jack D and coke
2 minutes ago, XB52 said:

The women's game is more popular than the men in USA, at least internationally, so they probably do deserve equal pay

But an American poster has already said it isn’t and they don’t🤷🏽‍♂️

The men’s USA side isn’t doing great atm, granted though. 

Im fairly sure that they’ll get their way though and the governing bodies will have to give in to their demands there’s just no stopping it anymore. 

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Maple Leaf
2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Different strokes and all that ML👍🏼

 

As my mother used to say, it would be a strange world if we were all the same.  :thumb:

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peter_hmfc
On 09/07/2019 at 17:17, ToadKiller Dog said:

Agree with that 100%, they wouldn't. 

Physicality the women teams can't compete. 

Playing against  under 15 boys is a good challenge for women's teams. 

 

The USWNT would get relegated from the Scottish League 2, easily.

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Maroon Sailor
6 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Each of us is entitled to our opinion, of course, and we disagree on that.

 

I watched the long interview with her on CNN and she came across as intelligent and articulate and not the least annoying. She's very outspoken on the 'equal pay' demand, which annoys many people but also has the support of many people. However, she is active in other areas of social justice, and more power to her.

 

She impressed me in that interview.

 

I can see Rapinoe going in to politics

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Maple Leaf
4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said:

 

I can see Rapinoe going in to politics

 

Based on what I've seen and read in the media, she's smarter than a lot of the dullards who are already in Congress.

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Fozzyonthefence
10 hours ago, jbee647 said:

If clubs ie Hearts were forced to pay the women the same rate as men, the clubs would drop there teams like a hot potato 

I say this as a very proud father of a Hearts playing daughter, whose ambition is to be a professional football player.

 

 

 

Isn’t all the equal pay chat in relation to international appearances?  It could never work in men’s club football,  let alone have the women’s club players getting paid the same as the men. Even men at the same club don’t get equal pay with their team mates, although I’m sure they’d all like to get paid the same as Messi or Ronaldo.

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Fozzyonthefence
47 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Based on what I've seen and read in the media, she's smarter than a lot of the dullards who are already in Congress.

 

I’d rather she just shut the **** up. But I think that about Trump too.  People like her mouthing off about equal pay all the time just make me even less likely to watch women’s football.  

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Nookie Bear

The Women’s World Cup was good imo but it reminded me of the Olympics where everyone gets into it big time whilst it’s on and starts asking questions why Chris Hoy earns 100x less than Wayne Rooney, and isn’t it such a refreshing change from that horrible soccer game. 

 

Then, as soon as the Olympics finishes, everyone forgets about rowing, cycling and 10000m runners and gets back to watching Wayne Rooney (in their millions, every week). Olympic sports go back to being watched in their dozens. 

 

No idea what point I am making but it strikes me that the Ladies have a very short window of opportunity here before the men’s game starts a new season. By September we will struggle to name any women football player. 

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Normthebarman
2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

The Women’s World Cup was good imo but it reminded me of the Olympics where everyone gets into it big time whilst it’s on and starts asking questions why Chris Hoy earns 100x less than Wayne Rooney, and isn’t it such a refreshing change from that horrible soccer game. 

 

Then, as soon as the Olympics finishes, everyone forgets about rowing, cycling and 10000m runners and gets back to watching Wayne Rooney (in their millions, every week). Olympic sports go back to being watched in their dozens. 

 

No idea what point I am making but it strikes me that the Ladies have a very short window of opportunity here before the men’s game starts a new season. By September we will struggle to name any women football player. 

Ooooh, I think I'll remember Alex Morgan...... 

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Nookie Bear
1 minute ago, Normthebarman said:

Ooooh, I think I'll remember Alex Morgan...... 

 

Ha, one or two will be memorable (some even for footballing reasons). 

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