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All these players are either first team players or been involved in the first team.

1. Bobby zlamal.

2. Colin doyle.

3. John souttar.

4. Christophe Berra.

5. Michael Smith.

6. Ben garruccio.

7. Clevid dikamona.

8. Aidy white.

9. Arnaud djoum.

10. Jake mulraney.

11. Olly Lee.

12. Oliver bozanic.

13. Bobby burns.

14. Peter haring.

15. Sean Clare.

16. Steven maclean.

17. Uche ikpeazu.

18. Steven Naismith.

19. David vanecek.

20. Craig wighton.

21. Jamie Brandon.

22. Harry Cochrane.

23. Aidan keena.

24. Anthony Macdonald.

25. Marcus godinho.

26. Maulary Martin.

27. Calumn Morrison.

28. Ryan Edwards.

29. Rory Currie.

30. Dario zanatta.

31. Euan Henderson.

32. Lewis Moore.

33. Alex peskov.

34. Andrew Irving.

35. Chris Hamilton.

36. Daniel baur.

37. Connor Smith.

38. Leeroy makovora.

39. Aaron hickey.

40. Craig halkett.

That's 40 players in that list and I'm sure I've probably missed some and that's even with sammon and Hughes already been released!! Need to get rid of an awful lot of dead wood because we're paying wages for no return at all with some players.

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Included a lot of reserve players and U18 players. 

 

We increased squad for reserve league which we are continuing with. And we play in the U18 league. 

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2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Included a lot of reserve players and U18 players. 

 

We increased squad for reserve league which we are continuing with. And we play in the U18 league. 

Every player on that list is either first team player or been involved with the first team 

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Dr Ian Malcolm

We had a much smaller squad in 2017/18 and look what happened - imagine we'd had the same number of injuries as this season then?

 

Several of those haven't actually played this season, have been on loan and one hasn't even signed yet. The squad in terms of numbers is actually fine.

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8 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Every player on that list is either first team player or been involved with the first team 

At least 16 of the 40 played significantly more games for reserves or u18’s than first team. 

Names you missed include Logan, Silva

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6 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Every player on that list is either first team player or been involved with the first team 

 

The odd time. So we could play this team from your list? 

 

Seriously? 

 

1. Doyle

2. Hamilton

3. White

4. Petkov

5. Baur

6. Burns

7. Irving

8. Martin

9. Henderson

10. Makovora

11. Currie

 

Is the team for Dundee United? 

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2 minutes ago, Phil D. Corners said:

 

You did. Or who do you call dead wood out those 40. 

No I never! I said we've got dead wood but certainly not the 16 or 17 year olds infact we've got some wonderful talent within that age group as hickey showed in Scottish cup final 

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17 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

All these players are either first team players or been involved in the first team.

2. Colin doyle.

13. Bobby burns.

19. David vanecek.

20. Craig wighton.

25. Marcus godinho.

26. Maulary Martin.

27. Calumn Morrison.

 

This is who I’d start with. In my opinion none of these players are good enough to take us to the next level. 

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1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

No I never! I said we've got dead wood but certainly not the 16 or 17 year olds infact we've got some wonderful talent within that age group as hickey showed in Scottish cup final 

 

You said we have 40 first team players. 

 

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1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

No I never! I said we've got dead wood but certainly not the 16 or 17 year olds infact we've got some wonderful talent within that age group as hickey showed in Scottish cup final 

 

So taking out the youth players who do you call dead wood. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You said we have 40 first team players. 

 

I said they're either first team players or been involved in the first team

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3 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

No I never! I said we've got dead wood but certainly not the 16 or 17 year olds infact we've got some wonderful talent within that age group as hickey showed in Scottish cup final 

 

You used many 16/17 year olds to inflate your numbers.

 

Pro tip - that’s when you lost any credibility.

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4 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

I said they're either first team players or been involved in the first team

 

So what is the first team squad? And which players in your list should be cut? 

 

Dembele of Celtic was involved in first team. 

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2 minutes ago, Phil D. Corners said:

 

So taking out the youth players who do you call dead wood. 

 

 

1. Colin doyle.

2. David vanecek.

3. Craig wighton.

4. Jamie Brandon.

5. Marcus godinho.

6. Rory Currie.

7. Dario zanatta.

8. Euan Henderson.

9. Lewis Moore.

10. Daniel baur.

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3 minutes ago, Whatever said:

 

You used many 16/17 year olds to inflate your numbers.

 

Pro tip - that’s when you lost any credibility.

 

Along with the thread title. 

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3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So what is the first team squad? And which players in your list should be cut? 

 

Dembele of Celtic was involved in first team. 

So dembele involved with first team

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1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

1. Colin doyle.

2. David vanecek.

3. Craig wighton.

4. Jamie Brandon.

5. Marcus godinho.

6. Rory Currie.

7. Dario zanatta.

8. Euan Henderson.

9. Lewis Moore.

10. Daniel baur.

 

Almost entirely young players on very modest wages. Disaster of a thread!

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4 minutes ago, Whatever said:

 

You used many 16/17 year olds to inflate your numbers.

 

Pro tip - that’s when you lost any credibility.

As I've already said every player I've listed has been involved in the hearts first team that's fact

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Just now, Mr Elwood P said:

 

Almost entirely young players on very modest wages. Disaster of a thread!

Money wasted if you ask me 

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Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

1. Colin doyle.

2. David vanecek.

3. Craig wighton.

4. Jamie Brandon.

5. Marcus godinho.

6. Rory Currie.

7. Dario zanatta.

8. Euan Henderson.

9. Lewis Moore.

10. Daniel baur.

 

You going with just one Keeper? . Bold move

 

You want Martin in side? 

 

Fair enough if you don't rate the others. So no signings then? 

 

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1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

As I've already said every player I've listed has been involved in the hearts first team that's fact

 

Doesn't make them part of first team squad. 

 

We have 3 teams. Needs a decent number of players. 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

You going with just one Keeper? . Bold move

 

You want Martin in side? 

 

Fair enough if you don't rate the others. So no signings then? 

 

Sorry yeah Martin needs out door asap and in my opinion we need a new number one with Bobby back up 

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Just now, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Sorry yeah Martin needs out door asap and in my opinion we need a new number one with Bobby back up 

 

So a new keeper does not reduce the number. So scrap that. You said there are too many players. 

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3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Doesn't make them part of first team squad. 

 

We have 3 teams. Needs a decent number of players. 

A don't know how much of the games outwith the first team you watch hearts but I watch all the ages and the ones I've mentioned just not good enough in my opinion and no return for the money they paid

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Selkirkhmfc1874
1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So a new keeper does not reduce the number. So scrap that. You said there are too many players. 

How many times ? In my opinion we gave got far too many players and need to get players off the books 

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Mr Elwood P
4 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

Money wasted if you ask me 

 

I’d have a look at how many players all other football teams have and also check how employment contracts work. 

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1 minute ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

As I've already said every player I've listed has been involved in the hearts first team that's fact

 

And that so many 16/17 year olds have been involved is hugely positive!!

 

Do you not see? 

 

FlawedSoggyIndianpalmsquirrel-size_restr

 

If only you’d just listed the 3 or 4 senior players who we all know should be moved on. ?

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1 minute ago, Whatever said:

 

And that so many 16/17 year olds have been involved is hugely positive!!

 

Do you not see? 

 

FlawedSoggyIndianpalmsquirrel-size_restr

 

If only you’d just listed the 3 or 4 senior players who we all know should be moved on. ?

I've already said we've got some wonderful 16 and 17 year olds who I watch regularly and as we also seen with hickey in the Scottish cup final 

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48 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

All these players are either first team players or been involved in the first team.

1. Bobby zlamal.

2. Colin doyle.

3. John souttar.

4. Christophe Berra.

5. Michael Smith.

6. Ben garruccio.

7. Clevid dikamona.

8. Aidy white.

9. Arnaud djoum.

10. Jake mulraney.

11. Olly Lee.

12. Oliver bozanic.

13. Bobby burns.

14. Peter haring.

15. Sean Clare.

16. Steven maclean.

17. Uche ikpeazu.

18. Steven Naismith.

19. David vanecek.

20. Craig wighton.

21. Jamie Brandon.

22. Harry Cochrane.

23. Aidan keena.

24. Anthony Macdonald.

25. Marcus godinho.

26. Maulary Martin.

27. Calumn Morrison.

28. Ryan Edwards.

29. Rory Currie.

30. Dario zanatta.

31. Euan Henderson.

32. Lewis Moore.

33. Alex peskov.

34. Andrew Irving.

35. Chris Hamilton.

36. Daniel baur.

37. Connor Smith.

38. Leeroy makovora.

39. Aaron hickey.

40. Craig halkett.

That's 40 players in that list and I'm sure I've probably missed some and that's even with sammon and Hughes already been released!! Need to get rid of an awful lot of dead wood because we're paying wages for no return at all with some players.

 

 

 Need 36 players for reserve and first team. 

A lot of teenagers in there. 

 

Quality of the first team needs improvement. 

Some will move on and we'll get others in. 

 

Numbers are fine. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

How many times ? In my opinion we gave got far too many players and need to get players off the books 

 

 

Have you compared this squad size to the rest of the league? 

 

Are we hugely different?

 

Are we high/ average/ low?

 

How many players  so you think we should have? 

And why? 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

All these players are either first team players or been involved in the first team.

1. Bobby zlamal.

2. Colin doyle.

3. John souttar.

4. Christophe Berra.

5. Michael Smith.

6. Ben garruccio.

7. Clevid dikamona.

8. Aidy white.

9. Arnaud djoum.

10. Jake mulraney.

11. Olly Lee.

12. Oliver bozanic.

13. Bobby burns.

14. Peter haring.

15. Sean Clare.

16. Steven maclean.

17. Uche ikpeazu.

18. Steven Naismith.

19. David vanecek.

20. Craig wighton.

21. Jamie Brandon.

22. Harry Cochrane.

23. Aidan keena.

24. Anthony Macdonald.

25. Marcus godinho.

26. Maulary Martin.

27. Calumn Morrison.

28. Ryan Edwards.

29. Rory Currie.

30. Dario zanatta.

31. Euan Henderson.

32. Lewis Moore.

33. Alex peskov.

34. Andrew Irving.

35. Chris Hamilton.

36. Daniel baur.

37. Connor Smith.

38. Leeroy makovora.

39. Aaron hickey.

40. Craig halkett.

That's 40 players in that list and I'm sure I've probably missed some and that's even with sammon and Hughes already been released!! Need to get rid of an awful lot of dead wood because we're paying wages for no return at all with some players.

 

The Hearts website has a breakdown of who is in which squad. The fact a lot were involved with the first team is a reflection of our injuries.

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8 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

I've already said we've got some wonderful 16 and 17 year olds who I watch regularly and as we also seen with hickey in the Scottish cup final 

 

Elm Street.

 

 

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Brighton Jambo

Honestly the number of ways people find to moan.  

 

Last season (i.e 17/18) we all had concerned we had too much reliance on kids 

 

this season we have a bigger squad and the OP wants to cut meaning we either get rid of a whole bunch of kids or get rid of senior pros and rely on kids again

 

couldnt make this nonsense up.

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39 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

At least 16 of the 40 played significantly more games for reserves or u18’s than first team. 

Names you missed include Logan, Silva

I made it around 25/27 who would actually be classed as part of the first team then maybe a couple who would be part time first team to get integrated into it properly ie Hickey and Smith

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23 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

A don't know how much of the games outwith the first team you watch hearts but I watch all the ages and the ones I've mentioned just not good enough in my opinion and no return for the money they paid

 

So would you scrap the U18 team. Or the reserves? 

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Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

So would you scrap the U18 team. Or the reserves? 

That wasn't answer to question I asked you 

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2 minutes ago, Vlad Magic said:

Lesson to OP

 

Do some research before coming on here on the windup.

 

 

Who's on the wind up? 

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Cruyff Turn

Agree with OP.

 

The squads far too big.

 

We’ve got 4 right backs, 4 left backs. 

 

We’re looking to improve the midfield and forward areas as well as giving youngsters more game time. Some of those youngsters are better players than Lee and  Bozanic for example, and we’ve also now got Edwards who has played his way into contention. 

 

Bramdon, Burns, Keena probably need to go out on loan. 

 

Lee, Bozanic, MacLean and Vanecek could be moved on. 

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5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

The Hearts website has a breakdown of who is in which squad. The fact a lot were involved with the first team is a reflection of our injuries.

 

This

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20 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

I've already said we've got some wonderful 16 and 17 year olds who I watch regularly and as we also seen with hickey in the Scottish cup final 

 

So who else on your list is good enough? And since you watch all the U18 and reserve  games what do they bring? 

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8 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Have you compared this squad size to the rest of the league? 

 

Are we hugely different?

 

Are we high/ average/ low?

 

How many players  so you think we should have? 

And why? 

 

 

Don't think we should have players who aren't simply good enough 

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21 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said:

I've already said we've got some wonderful 16 and 17 year olds who I watch regularly and as we also seen with hickey in the Scottish cup final 

 

As above who are they? 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So who else on your list is good enough? And since you watch all the U18 and reserve  games what do they bring? 

Don't ask me questions when you fail to answer questions yourself 

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Just now, Vlad Magic said:

 

 

Do you need a clue?

Certainly not on the wind up! In my opinion we've got players who simply not got enough and our squad is far to big 

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I think there's some harsh treatment of Godinho here.

 

He's had his injury problems but I think he's much better than Brandon and will prove it given the time.

 

I would definitely try giving him a good run in the team when fit.

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