Stephen Muddie Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 A boy's ex-GF lures him to a remote spot so her new fella and his mate can murder him. The two murderers get 23 and 24yr minimum sentences but the arranger of the killings gets 10 years (the maximum for culpable homicide). Should the law be changed? What do you think? I find it ridiculous that people could potentially order a hit on others and pretend they never intended for murder to happen (otherwise it'd be conspiracy to murder - I'm not a lawyer?) and only get 10yrs or even less if good behaviour inside? How the judge can say "it's unlikely she'll offend again" is puzzling too.https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/904040/she-had-a-trap-laid-for-him-she-is-worse-10-years-not-enough-for-tasmin-glass-say-steven-donaldsons-closest-friends/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 It does seem mental from the outset that she only got charged with culpable, which she has been sentenced strongly for I may add, and wasn't charged with conspiracy to murder. She must have either heavily co-operated or launched a defence that she didn't want him to be murdered, only attacked, and the PF accepted it before the trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I don't know if it's a flaw with the law, like has been said, conspiracy to murder exists. It's a specific case and I'd assume there is a very good reason she only got culpable homicide (always important to remember much more comes out in the court than gets released to public). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I don't know if it's a flaw with the law, like has been said, conspiracy to murder exists. It's a specific case and I'd assume there is a very good reason she only got culpable homicide (always important to remember much more comes out in the court than gets released to public). Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I should imagine she did a deal to turn Queen's evidence. Typical scheming bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 The CPS and Procurator Fiscal would have chosen what to charge her with, according to which charge had the best evidence available and the highest possible chance of a successful conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 One of the best recent examples of the PF overstretching their evidencial reach and getting burned for it was John Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Phamism Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 There was a case in the USA recently, where a boy lent his car to a 'mate' who was then involved in a drug deal which went wrong. The 'mate' killed someone and when the case went to court, the boy who lent the car was found guilty (conspiracy?) and jailed for life. Not sure what the actual charge was, but it does show a massive difference in interpretation of laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, Hugh Phamism said: There was a case in the USA recently, where a boy lent his car to a 'mate' who was then involved in a drug deal which went wrong. The 'mate' killed someone and when the case went to court, the boy who lent the car was found guilty (conspiracy?) and jailed for life. Not sure what the actual charge was, but it does show a massive difference in interpretation of laws. There's a law called accomplice liability or the like in the USA, this article is interesting; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-43673331 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, Hugh Phamism said: There was a case in the USA recently, where a boy lent his car to a 'mate' who was then involved in a drug deal which went wrong. The 'mate' killed someone and when the case went to court, the boy who lent the car was found guilty (conspiracy?) and jailed for life. Not sure what the actual charge was, but it does show a massive difference in interpretation of laws. Correct. Many states have similar laws. There was a recent case in Texas where barmaid was arrested for serving alcohol to someone who then committed a mass shooting. Murder-related charges were initially discussed, but I think she was only actually charged with violated state laws around serving bevvy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Phamism Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: There's a law called accomplice liability or the like in the USA, this article is interesting; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-43673331 That is some scary shit right there. It looks like the law is Felony-Murder, and your link included a link to the case I was referring to: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: I don't know if it's a flaw with the law, like has been said, conspiracy to murder exists. It's a specific case and I'd assume there is a very good reason she only got culpable homicide (always important to remember much more comes out in the court than gets released to public). Oh I agree, which I tried to express in the OP. But I think it creates a situation whereby a death planner could form a defence based on fallacy, be out in 5-7 years and see that as worthwhile time for getting rid of someone they didn't like. I wasn't acting as judge on this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Am I culpable if any former Geography pupils I taught kill anyone? Does it have to be Geography related such as they cracked their head open with a globe or deliberately gave them wrong map directions and they drove into a Fjord? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Am I culpable if any former Geography pupils I taught kill anyone? Does it have to be Geography related such as they cracked their head open with a globe or deliberately gave them wrong map directions and they drove into a Fjord? Premeditated if they use a Fjord Fiesta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Maybe there was evidence that she wanted him beaten up not killed. Hence culpable homicide for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 17 hours ago, Peebo said: Correct. Many states have similar laws. There was a recent case in Texas where barmaid was arrested for serving alcohol to someone who then committed a mass shooting. Murder-related charges were initially discussed, but I think she was only actually charged with violated state laws around serving bevvy. Only? She shouldn't have been charged, at all. Saying that, did she have a gorilla in the passenger seat of her car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: Only? She shouldn't have been charged, at all. She was charged because she served alcohol to someone that she knew she was intoxicated. A clear offence in Texas, regardless of how fair one thinks it is. Edited June 1, 2019 by Peebo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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