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***OFFICIAL SUMMER TRANSFER THREAD***

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Icon of Symmetry
25 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said:

 

To be honest, we didn't have much to replace, as long as the new striker can 271 minutes, it will be a great signing.

this Mandron guy, despite it not being an exciting signing, would be a good replacement for Vancek and a good option from the bench. With a fully fit team, uche and Naismith would be my first choice strikers. BUt I know what you mean - I want to see signings!

 

Yeah. Reading the interview with Colquhoun in the EEN (split over two articles), he seems to suggest Levein is going to be far more reliant on young players this coming season. It’s just annoying that we are having to waste time replacing Vanecek in the first place to be honest. A couple of very good signings in midfield and attack, and if nobody else moves on, then I will be pretty happy. A lot would rest on some young shoulders though, in that scenario.

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Absolute Scenes
5 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Yeah. Reading the interview with Colquhoun in the EEN (split over two articles), he seems to suggest Levein is going to be far more reliant on young players this coming season. It’s just annoying that we are having to waste time replacing Vanecek in the first place to be honest. A couple of very good signings in midfield and attack, and if nobody else moves on, then I will be pretty happy. A lot would rest on some young shoulders though, in that scenario.

 

agreed

I genuinely do believe and stand by the thought, that we have the makings of a good squad , a good core (with Naismith signing hopefully!) where we need one or two quality additions - the boy Grot from Leeds looks like the type of winger we need, if Djoum stays we wouldn't need to run about looking for midfielders of the same level - but could still do with one more decent midfielder. We have some of the best young players breaking through, so I wouldn't be against using some, but not all at once. If McDonald comes back I'd like to see him utilised more, Cochrane to get more game time and hickey in a few games as well.  Clare should be better as well, and Mulraney will be more confident to carry on as he finished. I'm feeling quietly excited about how the squad is going to develop this season

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jambo-rocker
10 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Thought Shaughnessy did his job to be honest. Decent cover, no superstar, but cover was all he was meant to be.

 

JRG, is an awkward type. Definitely ability in there, but seems to be trying to come to terms with how to use his body. Couldn't do right at Leeds, probably trying too hard.


Definitely a player that would appeal to Levein, given his success with Fuller and De Vries. Not sure this lad is quite so good as those 2, but if he can get his confidence and balance, he could be a real asset in Scotland

 

If we're looking at it from a cover perspective, then why are we signing a player on loan for cover when Baur, Petkov or Hamilton could easily, between the three of them, cover as 4th choice CB? Levein clearly isn't shy to throw a youngster in out from the cold, so I don't see why this should be any different.

 

It's why I'm sceptical of this loan winger from Leeds, who from what I have read is already quite raw. Surely we can recruit and develop a better winger of our own if he's going to be third choice for now anyway. Is our scouting really that peripherally focused that we can't scout another player in all of Europe that fits this bill, rather than taking all the risk with another winger with less reward than if we found a similar quality player on an 18 month deal?

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Sir Gio
5 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Yeah. Reading the interview with Colquhoun in the EEN (split over two articles), he seems to suggest Levein is going to be far more reliant on young players this coming season. It’s just annoying that we are having to waste time replacing Vanecek in the first place to be honest. A couple of very good signings in midfield and attack, and if nobody else moves on, then I will be pretty happy. A lot would rest on some young shoulders though, in that scenario.

Balance isn't it, between supressing the talent in the ranks, whilst surrounding it with the quality that will allow it to flourish.

 

Personally I like players who have played international football, even if it is for Northern Ireland, they seem to be able to handle pressure situations far better. Our cup final team had nearly all played international football at some level or cup finals, hence why the occasion did not phase them. Edwards, Haring and Clare I think the only 3 who had neither represented their country or previously played a final.

 

3 or 4 more players who have that experience would be very useful.

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Sir Gio
1 minute ago, jambo-rocker said:

 

If we're looking at it from a cover perspective, then why are we signing a player on loan for cover when Baur, Petkov or Hamilton could easily between the three of them cover as 4th choice CB? Levein clearly isn't shy to throw a youngster in out from the cold, so I don't see why this should be any different.

 

It's why I'm sceptical of this winger from Leeds. Surely we can recruit and develop a better winger of our own if he's going to be third choice for now anyway. Is our scouting really that perphieral that we can't scout a player in all of Europe that fits this bill rather than taking all the risk with another winger with less reward than if we found a similar quality player on an 18 month deal?

Were any of those out on loan? Petkov of the 3 perhaps could have been given a chance. Other than the error against Dundee, Shaughnessy really didn't do all that badly. He was average, really don't understand what we were looking for.

 

He was asked to play on the left when left backs kept falling down, he did ok.

 

Peter Haring would suggest that our scouting is not peripheral, suspect it all comes down to availability, affordability and then the doozy, does the player actually want to move to Scotland.

 

I doubt its an easy job in all honesty, other clubs are finding it just as tough in our bracket. Rangers are hovering anything that moves that is worthwhile at home

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jambo-rocker
2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Were any of those out on loan? Petkov of the 3 perhaps could have been given a chance. Other than the error against Dundee, Shaughnessy really didn't do all that badly. He was average, really don't understand what we were looking for.

 

He was asked to play on the left when left backs kept falling down, he did ok.

 

Peter Haring would suggest that our scouting is not peripheral, suspect it all comes down to availability, affordability and then the doozy, does the player actually want to move to Scotland.

 

I doubt its an easy job in all honesty, other clubs are finding it just as tough in our bracket. Rangers are hovering anything that moves that is worthwhile at home

 

They were all in the club come January. I'm pretty sure Hamilton was sent back, Petkov wasn't anyway and Baur was on loan the season before. I'm not saying he had an easy job of it considering how this half of the season turned out, but it feels like these players missed out on some valuable minutes and probably done the same job.

 

Peter Haring definitely feels like an exception rather than the rule. Aside from him and Vanecek, (Amankwaa too?) most of recruitment has been in the UK.

 

I'm obviously not saying it's an easy task, and we're definitely harder on signings than most other clubs are, but it doesn't feel like we're learning our lessons. We hired 4 to 5 scouts to help with recruitment for last season and our recruiting style doesn't still feel like it's changed much at all in the last 3 seasons.

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Absolute Scenes
45 minutes ago, jambo-rocker said:

 

If we're looking at it from a cover perspective, then why are we signing a player on loan for cover when Baur, Petkov or Hamilton could easily, between the three of them, cover as 4th choice CB? Levein clearly isn't shy to throw a youngster in out from the cold, so I don't see why this should be any different.

 

It's why I'm sceptical of this loan winger from Leeds, who from what I have read is already quite raw. Surely we can recruit and develop a better winger of our own if he's going to be third choice for now anyway. Is our scouting really that peripherally focused that we can't scout another player in all of Europe that fits this bill, rather than taking all the risk with another winger with less reward than if we found a similar quality player on an 18 month deal?

 

For someone being quite raw, he still managed 6 goals and a good assist playing for one of the lower dutch teams in the top flight

If we can get him and hammer into him to do the basics of a winger, i.e. run down the wing, get crosses in etc, we could have a gem on our hands

If Milinkovic was to come back though, I'd be taking him over JRG, just as he knows the Scottish game, and was a decent player for us.

 

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Sub4TiddlerMurray
15 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said:

If we can get him and hammer into him to do the basics of a winger, i.e. run down the wing, get crosses in etc, we could have a gem on our hands.

 

It worked for Mulraney, fair enough, but who is he crossing it in to?

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Absolute Scenes
12 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said:

 

It worked for Mulraney, fair enough, but who is he crossing it in to?

 

Uche, Haring, Lee, Djoum, Naismith etc

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saxondale
3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Jay Roy Grot from Leeds

 

No chance. The guy looks more out of shape than Vanecek!

 

 

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Famous 1874

Thought we were going for 3/4 players with real quality

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Mikey1874
1 minute ago, Famous 1874 said:

Thought we were going for 3/4 players with real quality

 

Yes, that is what Craig Levein said. 

 

And after we had already signed Halkett. 

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JamboAl
1 hour ago, Absolute Scenes said:

 

agreed

I genuinely do believe and stand by the thought, that we have the makings of a good squad , a good core (with Naismith signing hopefully!) where we need one or two quality additions - the boy Grot from Leeds looks like the type of winger we need, if Djoum stays we wouldn't need to run about looking for midfielders of the same level - but could still do with one more decent midfielder. We have some of the best young players breaking through, so I wouldn't be against using some, but not all at once. If McDonald comes back I'd like to see him utilised more, Cochrane to get more game time and hickey in a few games as well.  Clare should be better as well, and Mulraney will be more confident to carry on as he finished. I'm feeling quietly excited about how the squad is going to develop this season

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Mr Elwood P
2 hours ago, jambo-rocker said:

 

If we're looking at it from a cover perspective, then why are we signing a player on loan for cover when Baur, Petkov or Hamilton could easily, between the three of them, cover as 4th choice CB? Levein clearly isn't shy to throw a youngster in out from the cold, so I don't see why this should be any different.

 

It's why I'm sceptical of this loan winger from Leeds, who from what I have read is already quite raw. Surely we can recruit and develop a better winger of our own if he's going to be third choice for now anyway. Is our scouting really that peripherally focused that we can't scout another player in all of Europe that fits this bill, rather than taking all the risk with another winger with less reward than if we found a similar quality player on an 18 month deal?

 

Dikamona is our 4th choice centre back.

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Bob Loblaw
44 minutes ago, saxondale said:

 

No chance. The guy looks more out of shape than Vanecek!

 

 

Out of shape, what are you looking at?  He is an absolute tank.

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siegementality
1 hour ago, Famous 1874 said:

Thought we were going for 3/4 players with real quality

He might regret saying that. Under promise and over deliver is always the better option.

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