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Pasquale for King
1 minute ago, PhoenixHearts said:

 

*laughs incredulously in Austrian*

I meant he plays well in any position, can you imagine Haring wide left or right?

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Pasquale for King
2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

Hopefully he signs if we can get him within budget. Wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves without a club though and tries to use the African Cup to put himself in the shop window a bit more if the move he wants doesn’t happen sooner.

You could be right there, he didn’t have a club when we signed him in September 2015 outside the transfer window.

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Ray Gin
4 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

I’d like Cochrane to take his place.

he can shoot.

 

 

Cochrane has scored once for us in 30 appearances. (1 per 30)

Djoum has scored 16 goals for us in 132 games.  (1 per 8.25)

 

 

 

 

 

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siegementality
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

Still half of your %. 

?

Given your near 27,500 posts under various different guises doubt that very much! 

 

Will you be cheering Hibs on in the cup again next season? That post alone shows how much of a twat you are ??????

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siegementality
4 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

Lost for words. Anybody you do rate

Yes. But I don’t rate Djoum highly,  and certainly not as highly as he rates himself. 

 

Now I know I said I’d wait. Still waiting! You still have a chance to convince me.

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Sir Gio
7 hours ago, siegementality said:

Yes. But I don’t rate Djoum highly,  and certainly not as highly as he rates himself. 

 

Now I know I said I’d wait. Still waiting! You still have a chance to convince me.

Tell you what. You show me the stats that say he's shite. You seem to be itk on stats so show me. I'll be waiting 

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Fort Vallance

EEN saying Cypriot "giants" want him. Is that how far we've fallen when Cyprus are considered giants. Or just crap reporting. 

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Justin Z
11 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said:

EEN saying Cypriot "giants" want him. Is that how far we've fallen when Cyprus are considered giants. Or just crap reporting. 

 

I'd guess this is a reference to APOEL. Relative giants, you might say, and they made it to the quarterfinals of the Champions League not all that long ago after all.

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Smithee
14 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said:

EEN saying Cypriot "giants" want him. Is that how far we've fallen when Cyprus are considered giants. Or just crap reporting. 

To be fair we weren't able to compete when Cypriot giants signed Bruno Aguiar and Christos Karipidis ten years ago either

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graygo
17 hours ago, OTT said:

£9k p/w. Nah, **** off. 

 

Y'know who gets £9k p/w? Someone like Naismith, and at a club our size, we're lucky to afford one of those players at an absolute push. Does Djoum think he is a more influential player than Naismith? Does he think he offers leadership, drive and tenacity? Sorry Arnaud, you're delusional mate. 

 

If he wants to stay, great. But theres pushing the boat out and then there is trying to canoe across the Atlantic. Utter lunatic. 

 

Is it not more likely that some stupid club has offered him that and he's simply told us that we need to match it to keep him?

 

That doesn't make him delusional or deserving of the vitriol.

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Smith's right boot
11 hours ago, siegementality said:

Given your near 27,500 posts under various different guises doubt that very much! 

 

Will you be cheering Hibs on in the cup again next season? That post alone shows how much of a twat you are ??????

 

Two points 

 

It was % not number count so 10 posts or 27500 it's irrelevant. 

Never cheered on hibs, you are lieing. 

 

Your % of shite just increased again. 

 

 

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siegementality
Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

Two points 

 

It was % not number count so 10 posts or 27500 it's irrelevant. 

Never cheered on hibs, you are lieing. 

 

Your % of shite just increased again. 

 

 

 

I understand how percentages work. Given you talk utter bollocks half the time, and that’s being generous! And God’s knows you’ve been told that often enough, by a number of different posters, maybe you need to lay of the keyboard for a wee bit. 

 

Did you say you wanted Hibs to win the Scottish Cup?

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siegementality
3 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

Tell you what. You show me the stats that say he's shite. You seem to be itk on stats so show me. I'll be waiting 

I didn’t think so.

 

 

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Renoir

For me, Saturday summed up his game. Very tidy player, composed and has a good touch but not effective enough in critical phases of the game. Rarely contributes with critical passes or decent shots in the final third of the pitch and not effective enough at reading the game or tackling to be a defensive midfielder.  Call me cynical but his best form for Hearts has come when his contract has been running down. If he was a lower earner then I'd be happy to keep him but given his wage demands then I believe its worth player a younger player or spending the cash elsewhere.

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old school tie
22 hours ago, Uncle Buck said:

 

Naismith must be shite too then.

No, he has glass knees and has missed about 80% of the season. 

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Smith's right boot
22 minutes ago, siegementality said:

 

I understand how percentages work. Given you talk utter bollocks half the time, and that’s being generous! And God’s knows you’ve been told that often enough, by a number of different posters, maybe you need to lay of the keyboard for a wee bit. 

 

Did you say you wanted Hibs to win the Scottish Cup?

 

If you know how % works, then why bring in post count? 

 

No, I said I prefer rangers to get beat. 

 

I'd take a broken arm over a broken leg, but wouldn't want one over the other or cheer when I have broken my arm. 

 

Either way, there was no cheering. ?

 

 

Pm me if you want as this is increasing both our shite % or if you want to talk about hibs winning the cup the week after we got beat in a final go on party planners, you'll get more willing conversation partners. 

 

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Fort Vallance
1 hour ago, Smithee said:

To be fair we weren't able to compete when Cypriot giants signed Bruno Aguiar and Christos Karipidis ten years ago either

Fair point but cash doesn't necessarily equal stature.

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Fort Vallance
1 hour ago, Justin Z said:

 

I'd guess this is a reference to APOEL. Relative giants, you might say, and they made it to the quarterfinals of the Champions League not all that long ago after all.

Cant remember the club mentioned but not sure it was.

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graygo
5 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said:

Cant remember the club mentioned but not sure it was.

 

Apollon Limassol.

 

Also interested are a couple of clubs in Greece and Turkey apparently.

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graygo
1 hour ago, Justin Z said:

 

I'd guess this is a reference to APOEL. Relative giants, you might say, and they made it to the quarterfinals of the Champions League not all that long ago after all.

 

Nope, it was Apollon Limassol that are in for him and they have only ever played 1 Champions League qualifier and got knocked out by Cork City.

 

They are not giants by any stretch of that description.

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Lovecraft

For 9K a week, we could probably sign Greg Stewart.

 

 

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Dusk_Till_Dawn

Like a lot of players at the club, if he goes then I'm not really bothered.

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4marsbars
1 hour ago, Renoir said:

For me, Saturday summed up his game. Very tidy player, composed and has a good touch but not effective enough in critical phases of the game. Rarely contributes with critical passes or decent shots in the final third of the pitch and not effective enough at reading the game or tackling to be a defensive midfielder.  Call me cynical but his best form for Hearts has come when his contract has been running down. If he was a lower earner then I'd be happy to keep him but given his wage demands then I believe its worth player a younger player or spending the cash elsewhere.

 

Yes, Saturday summed up his game quite well. Involved in the goal (and much else).

 

I was in my forties before I saw Hearts take the lead in a Scottish Cup Final (Colin Cameron, obviously). 

 

Not effective enough? Really?

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Sir Gio
1 hour ago, siegementality said:

I didn’t think so.

 

 

Nor did I

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45846824

 

Maybe why Aberdeen were interested though eh. Or why he is a regular in the reigning African Champions side. But you know best :lol:

 

 

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Sir Gio
12 minutes ago, Lovecraft said:

For 9K a week, we could probably sign Greg Stewart.

 

 

Why would we do that? Or even compare

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hoof.hearted
1 hour ago, siegementality said:

 

I understand how percentages work. Given you talk utter bollocks half the time, and that’s being generous! And God’s knows you’ve been told that often enough, by a number of different posters, maybe you need to lay of the keyboard for a wee bit. 

 

Did you say you wanted Hibs to win the Scottish Cup?

Do you not mean he talks bollocks 50% of the time. ?

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Lovecraft
9 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Why would we do that? Or even compare

Because he is a better player than Djoum.

 

 

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Sir Gio
1 minute ago, Lovecraft said:

Because he is a better player than Djoum.

 

 

They have very different roles. May as well compare Peter Haring with Steven Naismith

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siegementality
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

Nor did I

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45846824

 

Maybe why Aberdeen were interested though eh. Or why he is a regular in the reigning African Champions side. But you know best :lol:

 

 

Aberdeen were interested in Connor Sammon. No accounting for taste eh ? 

 

My request was fairly simple. Give me a bit evidence that shows Djoums value to Hearts, particularly given the money he is rumoured to want, and I’ll consider it.

 

To me he is a half decent midfileder. He hasn’t got the drive going forward we need, the killer pass, nor creativity. He doesn’t even hit a particularly good dead ball. What he can do is easily disappear out of games, that’s if he has even bothered to turn up! And in my opinion he has failed to turn up too often. 

 

Now if Djoum is the player you think he is why aren’t there a queue of far better clubs than us lining up for him? All he talked about since he arrived was wanting to step up to the next level. Are Aberdeen the next level? Or some Cypriot team? He’ll get a new club, or course he will, he is a free agent, and that also tells you something. If Djoum is so good how come no bids, or interest, was reported whilst he was under contract?

 

Let’s not let the fact that we’ve had lots of below average midfielders disguise what Djoum is. He is a half decent midfield player and he is is certainly not worth us pushing the boat out for financially.

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siegementality
1 hour ago, hoof.hearted said:

Do you not mean he talks bollocks 50% of the time. ?

I’m adaptable. I can work in fractions as well ?

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Sir Gio
11 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Aberdeen were interested in Connor Sammon. No accounting for taste eh ? 

 

My request was fairly simple. Give me a bit evidence that shows Djoums value to Hearts, particularly given the money he is rumoured to want, and I’ll consider it.

 

To me he is a half decent midfileder. He hasn’t got the drive going forward we need, the killer pass, nor creativity. He doesn’t even hit a particularly good dead ball. What he can do is easily disappear out of games, that’s if he has even bothered to turn up! And in my opinion he has failed to turn up too often. 

 

Now if Djoum is the player you think he is why aren’t there a queue of far better clubs than us lining up for him? All he talked about since he arrived was wanting to step up to the next level. Are Aberdeen the next level? Or some Cypriot team? He’ll get a new club, or course he will, he is a free agent, and that also tells you something. If Djoum is so good how come no bids, or interest, was reported whilst he was under contract?

 

Let’s not let the fact that we’ve had lots of below average midfielders disguise what Djoum is. He is a half decent midfield player and he is is certainly not worth us pushing the boat out for financially.

We don't have those financial details. I'm comfortable we wont offer him a deal if those details are unacceptable.

 

You seem to be desperate to prove a point, but are reluctant to supply the facts yourself.

 

Scottish football clubs of our ilk will struggle to recruit international midfielders. I still recommend anyone including yourself to watch Djoum and nothing else in a game. He is literally everywhere the ball goes, his tactical awareness definitely sails under the radar.

 

The only qualm I have, do we need a Haring and a Djoum, perhaps not. Other than the horrific injury with the Achilles, Djoum has put a lot in for Hearts. His true value, may only be missed when he is gone.

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siegementality
Just now, Sir Gio said:

We don't have those financial details. I'm comfortable we wont offer him a deal if those details are unacceptable.

 

You seem to be desperate to prove a point, but are reluctant to supply the facts yourself.

 

Scottish football clubs of our ilk will struggle to recruit international midfielders. I still recommend anyone including yourself to watch Djoum and nothing else in a game. He is literally everywhere the ball goes, his tactical awareness definitely sails under the radar.

 

The only qualm I have, do we need a Haring and a Djoum, perhaps not. Other than the horrific injury with the Achilles, Djoum has put a lot in for Hearts. His true value, may only be missed when he is gone.

Producing what? 

 

I’m not desperate to prove a point. This debate came about because I posted saying I wouldn’t be bothered if he lines up against us and you laughed at that. Given that I asked you to provide me with something to suggest why I should be bothered and I’d consider it. I think I’m still waiting on that.

 

For the avoidance of doubt I will not be bothered seeing Djoums name on a teamsheet against us. He is not our best player - and for the reasons I stated in my recent post - and it will be highly likely he won’t even be the best player for the team he’s in. He’s a half decent midfielder, no more.

 

As for his value to Hearts only being missed when he’s gone. Given I don’t think he provides value while he here I doubt I’ll miss it when he’s gone! You can’t miss what you’ve never had.

 

Opinions and arseholes eh, everybody’s got one.

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Sir Gio
2 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Producing what? 

 

I’m not desperate to prove a point. This debate came about because I posted saying I wouldn’t be bothered if he lines up against us and you laughed at that. Given that I asked you to provide me with something to suggest why I should be bothered and I’d consider it. I think I’m still waiting on that.

 

For the avoidance of doubt I will not be bothered seeing Djoums name on a teamsheet against us. He is not our best player - and for the reasons I stated in my recent post - and it will be highly likely he won’t even be the best player for the team he’s in. He’s a half decent midfielder, no more.

 

As for his value to Hearts only being missed when he’s gone. Given I don’t think he provides value while he here I doubt I’ll miss it when he’s gone! You can’t miss what you’ve never had.

 

Opinions and arseholes eh, everybody’s got one.

He is one of our best players. What do you think his role is in the team? He is not a number 10 (don't like that terminology) he is not a wide player. He is not a playmaker. His role is to get the ball back, retain possession and provide us with a solid platform, he does that week in week out. Put him next to a proper ball player and you get results.

 

He consistently dominated John McGinn, like it or not, McGinn has been frequently quoted as the best buy in Britain this season beyond the Premier.

 

His job is to dominate other midfielders, he helped contain a very good Celtic midfield expertly. He does this week in week out, the lack of a quality midfielder next to him that will compliment him, is more of a problem

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Lovecraft
3 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

They have very different roles. May as well compare Peter Haring with Steven Naismith

 They do, but I would prefer Stewart over Djoum for 9K a week.

 

It if was 9k a week for either Naismith or Haring, I would choose Naismith.   

 

Nothing to do with the position they play.  All about the quality that 9K would get you.

 

We can find more players of Djoum's level for less that 9k a week.  IMO.   And I guess what we will see what Craig's opinion is pretty soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Glamorgan Jambo

Think he's a fantastic player and he showed up really well on Saturday on the big pitch, and he did a fair bit of looking after Hickey, however what will be will be. 

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Sir Gio
1 hour ago, Lovecraft said:

 They do, but I would prefer Stewart over Djoum for 9K a week.

 

It if was 9k a week for either Naismith or Haring, I would choose Naismith.   

 

Nothing to do with the position they play.  All about the quality that 9K would get you.

 

We can find more players of Djoum's level for less that 9k a week.  IMO.   And I guess what we will see what Craig's opinion is pretty soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jammy T

I sometimes think I’m ambivalent about this.

 

Then I ask myself - would I want Aberdeen to sign him, and my answer is no.

 

I’d rather have him than Aberdeen have him but it depends on who we replaced him with.

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siegementality
6 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

If you know how % works, then why bring in post count? 

 

No, I said I prefer rangers to get beat. 

 

I'd take a broken arm over a broken leg, but wouldn't want one over the other or cheer when I have broken my arm. 

 

Either way, there was no cheering. ?

 

 

Pm me if you want as this is increasing both our shite % or if you want to talk about hibs winning the cup the week after we got beat in a final go on party planners, you'll get more willing conversation partners. 

 

Because your post count tells me you really need to get yourself a burd, or maybe a boyfriend after your  invitation to pm you ? which I’ll decline thanks.

 

I've read enough of your posts - unfortunately - to know how high an opinion you have of your own opinion. Unfortunately you sound like some daft wee laddie who alternates between JKB and some football manager game. That said you’re not wrong 100% of the time, only half of that ?

 

 

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siegementality
6 hours ago, graygo said:

 

Nope, it was Apollon Limassol that are in for him and they have only ever played 1 Champions League qualifier and got knocked out by Cork City.

 

They are not giants by any stretch of that description.

I went to a game in Limissol a few years ago. About 4K crowd in crap stadium. Football not of great quality either. Nice weather though.

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Smith's right boot
38 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Because your post count tells me you really need to get yourself a burd, or maybe a boyfriend after your  invitation to pm you ? which I’ll decline thanks.

 

I've read enough of your posts - unfortunately - to know how high an opinion you have of your own opinion. Unfortunately you sound like some daft wee laddie who alternates between JKB and some football manager game. That said you’re not wrong 100% of the time, only half of that ?

 

 

 

 

My post count is because I travel a lot on the train and work from home the rest of the time. 

Got to get a break from the the porn. ?

Not that it's your business. 

 

And if you've read enough of my posts, like you say, you're Likley on as much as me?, just don't post as much.  Which is a good thing as you generally go off topic and slaver a lot of shite, 

It's a posting style, tho. I'll give you that. 

 

And also "A burd" ?  And I'm the daft wee laddie, irony of the scale there, bud. 

 

A boyfriend... You fishing? ?

 

 

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siegementality
1 minute ago, Olly Lee's left boot said:

 

 

My post count is because I travel a lot on the train and work from home the rest of the time. 

Got to get a break from the the porn. ?

Not that it's your business. 

 

And if you've read enough of my posts, like you say, you're Likley on as much as me?, just don't post as much.  Which is a good thing as you generally go off topic and slaver a lot of shite, 

It's a posting style, tho. I'll give you that. 

 

And also "A burd" ?  And I'm the daft wee laddie, irony of the scale there, bud. 

 

A boyfriend... You fishing? ?

 

 

That post - in its entirety- sums you up ??????

 

Now, have you not got something to do ? 

 

 

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Smith's right boot
17 minutes ago, siegementality said:

That post - in its entirety- sums you up ??????

 

Now, have you not got something to do ? 

 

 

 

 

Of course it does, I posted it

 

wash my hands?

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Lovecraft said:

 They do, but I would prefer Stewart over Djoum for 9K a week.

 

It if was 9k a week for either Naismith or Haring, I would choose Naismith.   

 

Nothing to do with the position they play.  All about the quality that 9K would get you.

 

We can find more players of Djoum's level for less that 9k a week.  IMO.   And I guess what we will see what Craig's opinion is pretty soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good post. 

Yip, value for money is the question. 

 

For £9k a week, I'd say no. 

 

At half that, yes, but even then that's a fair chunk. 

 

He is good quality tho. 

 

When Mcormiack (sp) from villa is getting £70k a week it really puts things into perspective. 

 

Edited by Olly Lee's left boot

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heartmussel
5 hours ago, siegementality said:

Aberdeen were interested in Connor Sammon. No accounting for taste eh ? 

 

My request was fairly simple. Give me a bit evidence that shows Djoums value to Hearts, particularly given the money he is rumoured to want, and I’ll consider it.

 

To me he is a half decent midfileder. He hasn’t got the drive going forward we need, the killer pass, nor creativity. He doesn’t even hit a particularly good dead ball. What he can do is easily disappear out of games, that’s if he has even bothered to turn up! And in my opinion he has failed to turn up too often. 

 

Now if Djoum is the player you think he is why aren’t there a queue of far better clubs than us lining up for him? All he talked about since he arrived was wanting to step up to the next level. Are Aberdeen the next level? Or some Cypriot team? He’ll get a new club, or course he will, he is a free agent, and that also tells you something. If Djoum is so good how come no bids, or interest, was reported whilst he was under contract?

 

Let’s not let the fact that we’ve had lots of below average midfielders disguise what Djoum is. He is a half decent midfield player and he is is certainly not worth us pushing the boat out for financially.

Spot on?

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Spellczech

9k a week. No way...

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OTT
8 hours ago, graygo said:

 

Is it not more likely that some stupid club has offered him that and he's simply told us that we need to match it to keep him?

 

That doesn't make him delusional or deserving of the vitriol.

 

If he can actually get that money, I'd urge him to go and get it. For anyone to be offering him £9k p/w is utterly insane. 

 

To my, its key player wages, and he's far from key player material. Its absolutely true the work he does goes unappreciated but its a ridiculous wage to even attempt to match. I don't feel like his performances over the last couple of seasons warrant any sort of serious wage increase either. 

 

The vitriol is more directed at the idea we might be considering trying to negotiate with him on those terms. Our offer should be pretty much the same terms again. Although tbh we'd be far better thanking him for his work and moving him on. We'll find someone younger and hungrier without too much effort. 

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Pasquale for King
22 hours ago, Sir Gio said:

He is one of our best players. What do you think his role is in the team? He is not a number 10 (don't like that terminology) he is not a wide player. He is not a playmaker. His role is to get the ball back, retain possession and provide us with a solid platform, he does that week in week out. Put him next to a proper ball player and you get results.

 

He consistently dominated John McGinn, like it or not, McGinn has been frequently quoted as the best buy in Britain this season beyond the Premier.

 

His job is to dominate other midfielders, he helped contain a very good Celtic midfield expertly. He does this week in week out, the lack of a quality midfielder next to him that will compliment him, is more of a problem

Great post.

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Renoir
On 29/05/2019 at 13:02, 4marsbars said:

 

Yes, Saturday summed up his game quite well. Involved in the goal (and much else).

 

I was in my forties before I saw Hearts take the lead in a Scottish Cup Final (Colin Cameron, obviously). 

 

Not effective enough? Really?

 

I disagree, yes he was involved in the goal (via a scuffed shot). But tell me how many games has he taken responsibility in and affected the outcome. 

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Justin Z
On 29/05/2019 at 12:13, graygo said:

 

Nope, it was Apollon Limassol that are in for him and they have only ever played 1 Champions League qualifier and got knocked out by Cork City.

 

They are not giants by any stretch of that description.

 

That's what I get for not reading the article. Yeeeaaahhhh... to say "giants" is a stretch is understating it a bit. :lol:

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Sir Gio
31 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

That's what I get for not reading the article. Yeeeaaahhhh... to say "giants" is a stretch is understating it a bit. :lol:

Average height is 6ft 3

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