Section Q Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 It might be a worthy cause but to me it shows their roots and allegiance are firmly in another country. And before anyone points the finger, no, I'm not a unionist or nationalist. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-to-wear-famine-memorial-jerseys-in-final-league-match-against-hearts-1-4929743 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 We'll be wearing Save the Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Are they not already having something to do with McNeill and Chalmers on their kits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Simple question. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Section Q said: It might be a worthy cause but to me it shows their roots and allegiance are firmly in another country. And before anyone points the finger, no, I'm not a unionist or nationalist. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-to-wear-famine-memorial-jerseys-in-final-league-match-against-hearts-1-4929743 yep. recognise an Irish famine but not the millions of lives lost in the war(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: We'll be wearing Save the Children that'll do for me and was a great move by the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 But the famine was years before they were founded (1845–1849). Is this really necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restonbabe Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Pacific shelf 1994 ashamed of nothing offended by everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said: yep. recognise an Irish famine but not the millions of lives lost in the war(s) ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said: But the famine was years before they were founded (1845–1849). Is this really necessary? Our own highland clearances are no less tragic but why would you want to involve football in this....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Couldnt give a shite. Its a badge on a kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: Couldnt give a shite. Its a badge on a kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsimp77 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Fair play to them. Worthy cause and a tragedy that should never be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-fletch Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) This gesture has **** all to do with football! As far I’m concerned football and politics should be kept apart. They will be lapping up the victim card with this! Their club is steeped in bigotry. **** Celtic! Edited May 17, 2019 by jambo-fletch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 They should have worn the shirts last week at Ibrox. ? A bit cowardly not too, imo. Presumably what they're doing is not breaking any rules but it does stink to high heaven of perpetuating the ills that affect the game up here. A deliberate, wilful move to play to their fans and maintain their mindless adulation of all things Ireland. This move will not put a single crumb into the mouth of a starving child today. All it will do is keep flaming the fires of sectarianism in Scottish football and, for Celtic and Rangers, keep those cash registers busy. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874Gorgie1874 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Strange club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory McNamara Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Great that they have a spot in their hearts for such tragedies. I have too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Someone I respect greatly (Dundee Utd fan fwiw) once said to me “it’s not so much what is said that’s important but who is saying it and for what reason “. For me the famine was a crime against humanity and as such should be remembered and by far more than the Irish diaspora. When Celtic FC do it I don’t trust their motives just like I didn’t when they insisted on yet another minute’s silence (they had already had one) for a recently deceased Pope. I sincerely hope that Hearts (club and fans) just ignore this and let them get on with it. My take is that they will be looking at an angle to get their players sufficiently motivated/angry ahead of the cup final which they will get if we react negatively. The other alternative is for us to embrace it completely bearing in mind we could potentially have 3 players in our starting lineup who could potentially represent the Republic of Ireland opposed to their none ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, lsimp77 said: Fair play to them. Worthy cause and a tragedy that should never be forgotten. Is your second 7 for Malmo or have you got a stutter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsimp77 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Is your second 7 for Malmo or have you got a stutter? Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The rat catcher Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, lsimp77 said: Fair play to them. Worthy cause and a tragedy that should never be forgotten. By footballers from another country? Really? Engage brain please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fila Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 No shock, is anyone really surprsed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Gio said: We'll be wearing Save the Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 7 hours ago, lsimp77 said: Fair play to them. Worthy cause and a tragedy that should never be forgotten. It was a tragedy that had nothing to do with football. Celtic being Celtic. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff the Mince Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 It's pish like this that keep them in the dark ages , A despot club supported by scum . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Sir Gio said: We'll be wearing Save the Children Presumably that's because there are children currently in need of some saving. It's probably a bit late for folk caught up in the great Irish famine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: Presumably that's because there are children currently in need of some saving. It's probably a bit late for folk caught up in the great Irish famine. I find that response hard to disagree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Been very quiet about their paedo convicted coach and the suffering and damage done to the victims and families of that beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, neilnunb said: Are they not already having something to do with McNeill and Chalmers on their kits? That's for the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Jamdub said: Been very quiet about their paedo convicted coach and the suffering and damage done to the victims and families of that beast. Surprising when they usually give out statements left, right and centre if a ref gives a throw-in against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I guess the famine led to mass migration, including Scotland and the eventual founding of Hibs and Celtic. It shouldn't be forgotten but I'm not sure this is the correct place to remember it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 The Irish diaspora after the famine was similar in some ways to the Scottish diaspora after the highland clearances. The economic interests of a handful of landowners (mostly wealthy landowners in the UK) were put ahead of the lives of the indigenous people of Ireland and Scotland. There was a move a few years ago by James Macmillan the composer to have a permanent memorial to the Irish refugees to Scotland in Glasgow. Some thought, me included, that a joint memorial to both communities would have been appropriate. Personally I like the fact that football clubs commemorate significant social and political events in their past, just as we do at Hearts. This isn't necessarily a political act by Celtic, unless you want it to be. I'm one of those who think that Celtic are entitled to do this if it reflects the social history of their club, just as we do at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Couldnt give a shite. Its a badge on a kit. Seconded, famine, caused by the english as were the highland clearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eno Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 We should commemorate with them just to see the look on their faces. Be like when we done the huddle at 4-0. I'll never forget the disgust on their faces (hopefully the same disgust will appear next Saturday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Jambo Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 8 hours ago, martoon said: They should have worn the shirts last week at Ibrox. ? A bit cowardly not too, imo. Presumably what they're doing is not breaking any rules but it does stink to high heaven of perpetuating the ills that affect the game up here. A deliberate, wilful move to play to their fans and maintain their mindless adulation of all things Ireland. This move will not put a single crumb into the mouth of a starving child today. All it will do is keep flaming the fires of sectarianism in Scottish football and, for Celtic and Rangers, keep those cash registers busy. Disgusting. Could not have put it better myself. Celtic are not a football club they are a political organistion who play football to stoke the fires of religous bigotry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Don’t see the problem myself. I would think that a lot of the people that formed Celtic came from families that moved here from Ireland due to the famine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Jambothump said: Seconded, famine, caused by the english as were the highland clearances. Care to elaborate on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Forever Hearts said: It was a tragedy that had nothing to do with football. Celtic being Celtic. Again. But did lead to Irish migration to Scotland which in turn led to the forming of Hibs and Celtic. Its ignorant to deny the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Just now, Dirty Deeds said: But did lead to Irish migration to Scotland which in turn led to the forming of Hibs and Celtic. Its ignorant to deny the connection. We can find a tenuous link to anything if we look hard enough. It's just Celtic at their ambulance chasing best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said: But did lead to Irish migration to Scotland which in turn led to the forming of Hibs and Celtic. Its ignorant to deny the connection. That’s the tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 10 hours ago, maroonsgotop said: yep. recognise an Irish famine but not the millions of lives lost in the war(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 An Irish football club, playing in an Irish loving city, which unfortunately happens to be in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsimp77 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Care to elaborate on that? https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/earthrx-the-irish-potato-famine-was-caused-by-capi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambothump said: Seconded, famine, caused by the english as were the highland clearances. It was more money grabbing clan chiefs who saw sheep farming as more lucrative than collecting rent from the crofters on the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, lsimp77 said: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/earthrx-the-irish-potato-famine-was-caused-by-capi.html Other sources put the cause at the blight and mild, moist weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambothump said: Seconded, famine, caused by the english as were the highland clearances. Er, the famine was caused by insects! The lack of charity shown to the starving was a result of the Liberal government at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Er, the famine was caused by insects! The lack of charity shown to the starving was a result of the Liberal government at the time. There was food available in Ireland at that time that the English took, much a s they did in India, wen people were starving there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambothump Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: It was more money grabbing clan chiefs who saw sheep farming as more lucrative than collecting rent from the crofters on the land. Yes, the clan chiefs who had nothing to do with their clans, except expelling them from their lands, (clan chiefs ownership, Clansmen cultivated)while they lived it up in London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Will they still be serving chips tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsimp77 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Their statement says exactly why they’ll be wearing the badge. Don’t particularly see the anger towards it. Over 1 million people died/emigrated and many emigrated to Glasgow which is why Glasgow/Celtic has a large Irish heritage. It’s only a badge for one game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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