Jump to content
Francis Albert

Scottish Drink Drving Law

Recommended Posts

Francis Albert
Posted (edited)

I see reported in the London press that England and Wales are not  planning to follow the Scottish example of reducing the drink driving limit because it has shown no effect on deaths and injuries from drink driving offences (in fact both have slightly  increased since the change). The AA says that this is because we need to focus on habitually  drunker drivers (for whom the change made no difference) than those marginally exceeding the limit. Safety experts say that anything that improves safety is good (seemingly whether there is evidence for improvement or not). I have not seen a comparison with trends in England and Wales since the Scottish change.

 

Ed. Oops the thread title suggests I should not get behind the wheel!

 

Edited by Francis Albert

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Herbert

Should be a zero tolerance on drink driving. You wouldn't have a drink then go play with a chainsaw. Anyone caught drink driving should get banned for life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DETTY29

My father in law has a pal who is an Irish traffic cop who claims the 2 pint rule makes no difference under the testing they have done, but trying to tell the politicians that.

 

May Alcoholics Anonymous have a point. :)

 

Suppose thinking is if you keep bare minimum, folk might do a lager tops but if you go to 2, then folk will just have 3 and 4 as their take a chance limit.

 

So the A

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
been here before
38 minutes ago, Herbert said:

Should be a zero tolerance on drink driving. You wouldn't have a drink then go play with a chainsaw. Anyone caught drink driving should get banned for life.

 

There is zero tolerance to drink driving.

 

Its not workable to have an absolute zero limit of alcohol in the bloodstream.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
iantjambo
2 minutes ago, been here before said:

 

There is zero tolerance to drink driving.

 

Its not workable to have an absolute zero limit of alcohol in the bloodstream.

 

Correct.

 

Products like mouthwash contain alcohol.

Have a mouthwash in the morning and get a lifetime driving ban?

 

Bit harsh!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dannie Boy

Should never have changed it imo. Just like minimum alcohol pricing it’s had no effect. In fact the consumption of alcohol went up after it was introduced. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jonnothejambo

Anyone having an alcoholic drink then getting behind the wheel should be banned for life and jailed. 

 

My wife's brother was killed by a drunk driver in the 1970s and back then the sentence that piece of trash got was derisory. 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ri Alban

There is no excuse to drink and drive. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Francis Albert
1 hour ago, Herbert said:

Should be a zero tolerance on drink driving. You wouldn't have a drink then go play with a chainsaw. Anyone caught drink driving should get banned for life.

I think the guy who cut in front of me on the motorway yesterday at over 70mph to pass cars travelling in the outside lane and forced me to brake should be banned for life. There is of course no chance he will be.

And I'd have to very drunk indeed to play with a chainsaw!

I am not against the lower limit and stick rigidly within it but there are far greater dangers to other road users and pedestrians than someone having a glass of wine or bottle of beer with their lunch..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jonesy

Difficult one.

 

Anyone who drives drunk is obviously irresponsible and should be banned for a very long time, if not indefinitely.

 

However, given everyone's tolerances are different, it's hard to say exactly what limit there should be.

 

Dangerous driving, drunk or sober, is the problem, and needs to hit hard. How that can be done (more telematics driving up costs for idiots?) is the hard part.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1971fozzy

The most I’ve ever had (and this is a good few hours before driving) is a half and half shandy. I wouldn’t dare have any more than that

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1971fozzy

I’ve always thought that cars should only start when the driver has a breathalyser test (could be built in to the car) and passes.

if people were to abuse it (ie a passenger) and they get caught then jail.

I’m sure in the not too distant future all cars will have some sort of tracker and dash cam , all for insurance purposes. And the breathalyser may not be too far away either

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Craig Gordons Gloves
Posted (edited)

My attitude to drink driving has changed since moving to the US.  When i was 13, my dad drunkenly smashed his car into another (close to the polis station in Oxgangs), breaking his jaw, leg and a few other injuries and also injuring - but not critically or permanently thankfully, the people in the other car. With that, i was always vehemently anti drinking and driving.  That being said, i would go to the pub before a hearts game, have a couple of  pints and then drive home after the game (a gap of 2.5 hours in total).  

 

It's a societal no-no to drive drunk in Scotland and it should be.  However, since i've moved here my attitude to drink driving has changed because its socially acceptable to have a couple of beers and drive home.  I think this is partly to do with the nonexistent public transport options, to do with the fact that the infrastructure is built around the car (most bars have car parks ffs), the limits are higher, the roads are wider and easier to drive, cars are automatic so it's easier to drive and traffic tends to just be slower in general.  So now, i'll happily have a couple of beers if we're out for dinner and then drive home and feel none the worse for it.  I will also limit my beer to less strong blondes or the like as opposed to IPA's or stronger beers.  Don't get me wrong, i am still anti drunk driving but i also think that the limits are set at a reasonable level as opposed to the zero tolerance limits and anyone who is pished or had more than a couple shouldn't be getting in a car to drive.

Edited by Craig Gordons Gloves

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
superjack

I remember reading somewhere that when the limit changed in Scotland, some guy got done for DD. However, he was only over the Scottish limit but not the rest of the UK limit. He tried to go to court to state that he should still be allowed to drive south of the border, not sure of the outcome though. Thinking about it, the guy had a valid point in my opinion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Gards
1 hour ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

My attitude to drink driving has changed since moving to the US.  When i was 13, my dad drunkenly smashed his car into another (close to the polis station in Oxgangs), breaking his jaw, leg and a few other injuries and also injuring - but not critically or permanently thankfully, the people in the other car. With that, i was always vehemently anti drinking and driving.  That being said, i would go to the pub before a hearts game, have a couple of  pints and then drive home after the game (a gap of 2.5 hours in total).  

 

It's a societal no-no to drive drunk in Scotland and it should be.  However, since i've moved here my attitude to drink driving has changed because its socially acceptable to have a couple of beers and drive home.  I think this is partly to do with the nonexistent public transport options, to do with the fact that the infrastructure is built around the car (most bars have car parks ffs), the limits are higher, the roads are wider and easier to drive, cars are automatic so it's easier to drive and traffic tends to just be slower in general.  So now, i'll happily have a couple of beers if we're out for dinner and then drive home and feel none the worse for it.  I will also limit my beer to less strong blondes or the like as opposed to IPA's or stronger beers.  Don't get me wrong, i am still anti drunk driving but i also think that the limits are set at a reasonable level as opposed to the zero tolerance limits and anyone who is pished or had more than a couple shouldn't be getting in a car to drive.

 

Interesting CGG.  All my time in Boston and exactly the same as yourself.  Very anti drink driving but probably got a bit more relaxed about it the longer I was there.  An example, having our work 'holiday party' in a country club in the middle of nowhere with only option to drive - and they put on a free bar...i shook my head at that one.  But like you, probably had a couple of beers and would drive home.

Now just relocated back to Scotland and absolutely paranoid about being over the limit - even next day.  Certainly think the Scotland limit is correct but it is interesting to compare to other countries where the car is a necessity, not a luxury.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Lemongrab
1 hour ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said:

My attitude to drink driving has changed since moving to the US.  When i was 13, my dad drunkenly smashed his car into another (close to the polis station in Oxgangs), breaking his jaw, leg and a few other injuries and also injuring - but not critically or permanently thankfully, the people in the other car. With that, i was always vehemently anti drinking and driving.  That being said, i would go to the pub before a hearts game, have a couple of  pints and then drive home after the game (a gap of 2.5 hours in total).  

 

It's a societal no-no to drive drunk in Scotland and it should be.  However, since i've moved here my attitude to drink driving has changed because its socially acceptable to have a couple of beers and drive home.  I think this is partly to do with the nonexistent public transport options, to do with the fact that the infrastructure is built around the car (most bars have car parks ffs), the limits are higher, the roads are wider and easier to drive, cars are automatic so it's easier to drive and traffic tends to just be slower in general.  So now, i'll happily have a couple of beers if we're out for dinner and then drive home and feel none the worse for it.  I will also limit my beer to less strong blondes or the like as opposed to IPA's or stronger beers.  Don't get me wrong, i am still anti drunk driving but i also think that the limits are set at a reasonable level as opposed to the zero tolerance limits and anyone who is pished or had more than a couple shouldn't be getting in a car to drive.

A bit off topic, but...I driving down towards Oxgangs police station on my way to work yesterday, and saw a police officer with a speedcam down the road. I wasn't doing over 30 when I passed her, but was worried she might have caught me earlier,  as it's easy to pick up speed going down there. 

 

Today driving to work, she was there again. A ****ing cardboard cut-out. :facepalm:

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The Real Maroonblood
8 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

A bit off topic, but...I driving down towards Oxgangs police station on my way to work yesterday, and saw a police officer with a speedcam down the road. I wasn't doing over 30 when I passed her, but was worried she might have caught me earlier,  as it's easy to pick up speed going down there. 

 

Today driving to work, she was there again. A ****ing cardboard cut-out. :facepalm:

 

Had the same going along Lanark Road a few times.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FinnBarr Saunders

I'm in a weird situation with regards to drink driving, I could pass a police test outside work but fail a test inside as their limit is lower and that means the sack

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
davemclaren
2 hours ago, superjack said:

I remember reading somewhere that when the limit changed in Scotland, some guy got done for DD. However, he was only over the Scottish limit but not the rest of the UK limit. He tried to go to court to state that he should still be allowed to drive south of the border, not sure of the outcome though. Thinking about it, the guy had a valid point in my opinion.

Not really, we have different laws for some things. 

 

I think it’s too early to judge and there are so many other factors that need to be isolated. It’s certainly changed the attitude of me and most people that I know to drinking and driving and brings our limit into line with most of Europe. I think it’s a good thing. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Lemongrab

I've heard of people being done for driving while on drugs. How do they measure that?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Smithee
11 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

I've heard of people being done for driving while on drugs. How do they measure that?

 

I think they use a portable swab test roadside then take urine or blood back at the station. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Barack
7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

I think they use a portable swab test roadside then take urine or blood back at the station. 

Is the correct answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BarneyBattles

I always stick to soft drinks if I'm in a pub or restaurant and driving but I honestly think a couple of pints would have zero impact on my ability to drive as I appreciate I'm in charge of a big fast piece of metal. Weird one but the Scottish rules seem far too knee jerk to me. 

 

Drink driving rules need to kick in at the point a driver is incapacitated enough to endanger others and that's impossible to set as everyone is different. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Smithee
5 minutes ago, Barack said:

Is the correct answer.

You might think I have reason to know this, but just an educated guess, I don't drive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FinnBarr Saunders
2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

I always stick to soft drinks if I'm in a pub or restaurant and driving but I honestly think a couple of pints would have zero impact on my ability to drive as I appreciate I'm in charge of a big fast piece of metal. Weird one but the Scottish rules seem far too knee jerk to me. 

 

Drink driving rules need to kick in at the point a driver is incapacitated enough to endanger others and that's impossible to set as everyone is different. 

 

So how do you set the rules then? Not getting at you BB as I realise everyone is different

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Barack
7 minutes ago, Smithee said:

You might think I have reason to know this, but just an educated guess, I don't drive.

Never even entered my thoughts.??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BarneyBattles
6 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said:

 

So how do you set the rules then? Not getting at you BB as I realise everyone is different

 

I don't want bevvied folk jumping in the car! I do however have a degree of sympathy with someone who hasn't caused any accident but who is marginally above the limit the morning after given that the limit is so low. It's the equivalent of having drank a half pint or so. 

 

Either have zero tolerance (whilst accepting the body has alcohol in it naturally so can't outlaw it completely) or go back to the judgement system, a policeman judges how competent you are, can you walk in a straight line etc.

 

No easy answer because someone who has had one pint could kill someone and it would go down as drunk driving even if that pint didn't have an impact and someone who has had 10 pints could drive home without incident. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
sadj
7 hours ago, Herbert said:

Should be a zero tolerance on drink driving. You wouldn't have a drink then go play with a chainsaw. Anyone caught drink driving should get banned for life.

Well..........you maybe wouldn’t

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jonesy
1 hour ago, Lemongrab said:

I've heard of people being done for driving while on drugs. How do they measure that?

 

By either how boring your chat is or how fast you try singing the Olly Lee song.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IronJambo
8 hours ago, Lemongrab said:

I've heard of people being done for driving while on drugs. How do they measure that?

There are plenty of prescription drugs that you can get done for driving whilst using as well, it's not just cokeheads and stoners that they're looking for.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AlphonseCapone
Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

Should never have changed it imo. Just like minimum alcohol pricing it’s had no effect. In fact the consumption of alcohol went up after it was introduced. 

 

It's far too early to make any judgements on this. You need to wait several years before judging something. 

 

15 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I see reported in the London press that England and Wales are not  planning to follow the Scottish example of reducing the drink driving limit because it has shown no effect on deaths and injuries from drink driving offences (in fact both have slightly  increased since the change). The AA says that this is because we need to focus on habitually  drunker drivers (for whom the change made no difference) than those marginally exceeding the limit. Safety experts say that anything that improves safety is good (seemingly whether there is evidence for improvement or not). I have not seen a comparison with trends in England and Wales since the Scottish change.

 

Ed. Oops the thread title suggests I should not get behind the wheel!

 

 

You got the source? I just want to be sure it actually shows drink driving incidents have went up rather than traffic incidents in general. 

 

I'd also assume the research was clever enough to account for the fact that the lower tolerance limit means the liklihood of being over the limit increases, therefore an accident being defined as "drink driving" is more likely now than before the change. 

Edited by AlphonseCapone

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ri Alban
13 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

I think the guy who cut in front of me on the motorway yesterday at over 70mph to pass cars travelling in the outside lane and forced me to brake should be banned for life. There is of course no chance he will be.

And I'd have to very drunk indeed to play with a chainsaw!

I am not against the lower limit and stick rigidly within it but there are far greater dangers to other road users and pedestrians than someone having a glass of wine or bottle of beer with their lunch..

Utter bollox. Maybe you should have a glass of water with your lunch instead,  ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ri Alban
Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, Dannie Boy said:

Should never have changed it imo. Just like minimum alcohol pricing it’s had no effect. In fact the consumption of alcohol went up after it was introduced. 

Poor Danny, greets about violence, drink, drug, sectarian and health problems. But greets even more when the Scottish government tried to do something about it.

People really must have a drink problem if they can't go the day without one, or can't at least wait to park the car at home first or leave it there or at work. Feck everyone else , I WANT A DRINK!

As for the next day, why are folk getting sozzled when they're meant to be driving the next morning. I love a bevvy, but  I'm getting a taxi, I just hope he's not had a couple himself.

 

And don't give me the moothwash  excuses. 

Edited by ri Alban

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dazo
6 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Poor Danny, greets about violence, drink, drug, sectarian and health problems. But greets even more when the Scottish government tried to do something about it.

People really must have a drink problem if they can't go the day without one, or can't at least wait to park the car at home first or leave it there or at work. Feck everyone else , I WANT A DRINK!

 

And don't give me the moothwash  excuses. 

 

There is a clear distinction between driving while drunk and driving with alcohol detectable in your bloodstream. Clearly the first is unacceptable while the other has zero impact on your driving capability. People in the 2nd category shouldn’t be treated with zero tolerance imo. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The Real Maroonblood
9 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Poor Danny, greets about violence, drink, drug, sectarian and health problems. But greets even more when the Scottish government tried to do something about it.

People really must have a drink problem if they can't go the day without one, or can't at least wait to park the car at home first or leave it there or at work. Feck everyone else , I WANT A DRINK!

As for the next day, why are folk getting sozzled when they're meant to be driving the next morning. I love a bevvy, but  I'm getting a taxi, I just hope he's not had a couple himself.

 

And don't give me the moothwash  excuses. 

Difficult to argue with that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Lemongrab
8 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I think they use a portable swab test roadside then take urine or blood back at the station. 

 

8 hours ago, Barack said:

Is the correct answer.

I was more wondering if they have a way of measuring how jaked one was. Like is there a 'safe' limit, as with alcohol?

 

7 hours ago, jonesy said:

 

By either how boring your chat is or how fast you try singing the Olly Lee song.

That wouldn't work. I'd be banned for life for the first one, without having taken anything. 

 

50 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

There are plenty of prescription drugs that you can get done for driving whilst using as well, it's not just cokeheads and stoners that they're looking for.

At least with drugs prescribed to you, you could have some sort of defence, if you were only slightly affected.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Jambof3tornado
15 hours ago, Herbert said:

Should be a zero tolerance on drink driving. You wouldn't have a drink then go play with a chainsaw. Anyone caught drink driving should get banned for life.

Never worked with forestry commission guys then!!! Lol

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ri Alban
17 minutes ago, Dazo said:

 

There is a clear distinction between driving while drunk and driving with alcohol detectable in your bloodstream. Clearly the first is unacceptable while the other has zero impact on your driving capability. People in the 2nd category shouldn’t be treated with zero tolerance imo. 

You know the rules. Your choice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
iantjambo
56 minutes ago, Lemongrab said:

 

I was more wondering if they have a way of measuring how jaked one was. Like is there a 'safe' limit, as with alcohol?

 

That wouldn't work. I'd be banned for life for the first one, without having taken anything. 

 

At least with drugs prescribed to you, you could have some sort of defence, if you were only slightly affected.

 

Don’t you have to inform the DVLA if you’re put on medication?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IronJambo
1 hour ago, Lemongrab said:

 

At least with drugs prescribed to you, you could have some sort of defence, if you were only slightly affected.

I can't agree with that at all. There are some prescription drugs that you shouldn't go anywhere near a driver's seat after taking. 

 

It's OK officer, the doctor prescribed the methadone I'm on. The temazepan as well....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
doctor jambo
10 hours ago, Barack said:

Is the correct answer.

Is the wrong answer - the legislation in Scotland is not in place until October.

At present if you get stopped and the police think you are under the influence you will be breath tested for booze- pass that and if they think you are impaired then you will be arrested under sec 4- "driving whilst under the influence of a drug" and taken to a custody suite.

There you will undergo impairment testing by a forensic medical examiner.

fail that test and you will be required to provide a specimen of blood for analysis ( or of you cannot give blood then a urine sample)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
doctor jambo
1 hour ago, Lemongrab said:

 

I was more wondering if they have a way of measuring how jaked one was. Like is there a 'safe' limit, as with alcohol?

 

That wouldn't work. I'd be banned for life for the first one, without having taken anything. 

 

At least with drugs prescribed to you, you could have some sort of defence, if you were only slightly affected.

If you are impaired, then you are not allowed to drive- end of- whether prescribed or not.

That is YOUR call to make and no defence.

You will be subject to an impairment test and if you fail it blood taken under sec4,

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
doctor jambo
8 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

I can't agree with that at all. There are some prescription drugs that you shouldn't go anywhere near a driver's seat after taking. 

 

It's OK officer, the doctor prescribed the methadone I'm on. The temazepan as well....

you are allowed to drive whilst on methadone- BUT you must be "clean" of street drugs and stable on your prescription for 12 months, the DVLA request a report from your prescriber every year to ensure that is the case and ask for proof of drug screens and so on.

When on a stable dose of methadone there is NO impairment to your ability to drive

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IronJambo
4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

you are allowed to drive whilst on methadone- BUT you must be "clean" of street drugs and stable on your prescription for 12 months, the DVLA request a report from your prescriber every year to ensure that is the case and ask for proof of drug screens and so on.

When on a stable dose of methadone there is NO impairment to your ability to drive

Fair play doc. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
doctor jambo
4 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

Fair play doc. 

at the other end... many people lose their license for driving after taking co-codamol or some of the anti depressants- particularly Mirtazapine as it is sedative.

 

drink driving wise there are 2 distinct categories now

1- the people who are utterly blazing

2- the morning afters who are NOT impaired, but are over the limit

there is very little in between

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Francis Albert
3 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

 

 

You got the source? I just want to be sure it actually shows drink driving incidents have went up rather than traffic incidents in general. 

 

I'd also assume the research was clever enough to account for the fact that the lower tolerance limit means the liklihood of being over the limit increases, therefore an accident being defined as "drink driving" is more likely now than before the change. 

The source was a newspaper article quoting the UK government on the reasons for not following the Scottish example including statistics showing an increase in alcohol-related deaths and injuries since the new limit was introduced. I don't know the answer to your second point. No doubt the Scottish Government, having introduced the legislation on the basis of forecast reduction in deaths will (if they have not done so yet)  in due course let us know the outcome and indeed the number of convictions for driving between the new and old limits. I am not advocating restoring the old limit just that decisions should be made rationally. I suspect enforcement of the law against speeding and  reckless and dangerous driving (examples of which I see almost every time I venture onto the roads as driver or pedestrian)  would have a bigger impact than the reduction in the drink driving limit and certainly more than reducing it further.

Speeding is so prevalent that driving at the speed limit (and especially below it when the safe speed is lower than the limit) is dangerous in itself, because many drivers get frustrated and either drive inches from your rear bumper or engage in dangerous overtaking just to get to the next traffic light or roundabout a few seconds earlier.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
AlphonseCapone
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

The source was a newspaper article quoting the UK government on the reasons for not following the Scottish example including statistics showing an increase in alcohol-related deaths and injuries since the new limit was introduced. I don't know the answer to your second point. No doubt the Scottish Government, having introduced the legislation on the basis of forecast reduction in deaths will (if they have not done so yet)  in due course let us know the outcome and indeed the number of convictions for driving between the new and old limits. I am not advocating restoring the old limit just that decisions should be made rationally. I suspect enforcement of the law against speeding and  reckless and dangerous driving (examples of which I see almost every time I venture onto the roads as driver or pedestrian)  would have a bigger impact than the reduction in the drink driving limit and certainly more than reducing it further.

Speeding is so prevalent that driving at the speed limit (and especially below it when the safe speed is lower than the limit) is dangerous in itself, because many drivers get frustrated and either drive inches from your rear bumper or engage in dangerous overtaking just to get to the next traffic light or roundabout a few seconds earlier.

 

I completely agree that changes should be made rationally and on the basis of evidence. And it's in that philosophy that I asked about my second point because if we, or England, are saying this change hasn't worked then we need to be sure that's the case. I detest anything present in raw numbers ie number of deaths or number of accidents as they have zero context, they need to be presented as rates or proportions to give meaning. 

 

There's another wider aspect to the policy in that it helps send a message about our relationship with alcohol and how we are trying to change that. There is evidence that our attitude is changing, younger generations especially are less likely to drink, or to drink as much as older generations. I'd be interested in the age aspect of the above stats as well. My guess, and it's wild speculation, that older people ie 40's and 50's account for more drink driving than younger generations, purely because they grew up in a time where it was more accepted to have a few and drive and some people may not have changed their attitude along with the law. 

 

On driving safety in general then I agree there is so much dangerous driving going on out there. Sometimes it's speeding, other times it's sheer incompetence. I find it crazy you can pass your test at 17, as I did, then that's it. I could never drive a car for another 30 years but I'm legally allowed to just jump straight back in one, likely having forgot a lot of what I learned. I wouldn't be opposed to a compulsory 10 year competency check, though it might be a bureaucratic nightmare. It'd also deal with the pensioners driving arguments. It's not right to blanket take people's licenses just because they are a certain age, but there are certainly pensioners who should no longer be driving. A certain Royal for example. 

Edited by AlphonseCapone

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Vlad Magic

I was involved in a nasty drink driving crash back in I think 1992? If you lived on Rullion Road Penicuik around that time you will probably remember it. Driver took out a couple of gardens including fences, bushes etc before driving off (no rear tyres as they burst in the crash)

 

We got away unscathed but really shaken up. Driver was at least double legal limit. I’m absolutely convinced that he would have driven that day no matter the DD limit. I’m also convinced that this is the case for the majority of people who decide to DD. Personally I think that if someone is going to DD they will do it no matter the limits and no matter the punishment.

 

Very low limits or even zero only impacts those “morning after the night before” situations in my opinion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tazio

I used to quite happily drive home but had a one pint limit. Then one night I had two and noticed that I was accelerating harder, shorter braking distances, etc. Now nothing as I realised how fine the margins are. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
doctor jambo
3 hours ago, Vlad Magic said:

I was involved in a nasty drink driving crash back in I think 1992? If you lived on Rullion Road Penicuik around that time you will probably remember it. Driver took out a couple of gardens including fences, bushes etc before driving off (no rear tyres as they burst in the crash)

 

We got away unscathed but really shaken up. Driver was at least double legal limit. I’m absolutely convinced that he would have driven that day no matter the DD limit. I’m also convinced that this is the case for the majority of people who decide to DD. Personally I think that if someone is going to DD they will do it no matter the limits and no matter the punishment.

 

Very low limits or even zero only impacts those “morning after the night before” situations in my opinion.

sec 5- drug driving is similar

its either they are utterly wasted and barely able to complete the tests, or have had a joint and by the time they are tested pass the impairment.

Proximity to a custody suite is important and some rural areas you can fail a roadside test then by the time you get to the station and the doc attends then you pass (drugs obviously as with alcohol due to the pretty steady rates of metabolism of booze they can calculate back from your "station reading" to your "time of arrest reading"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




×
×
  • Create New...