Des Lynam Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just now, Absolute Scenes said: it is facts, still regular football - the fact is he has done more for that club than he did for us because our fans are too impatient with player development None of what you said is true though. He’s not playing in a better league. He’s scored one goal. He’s not a regular starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: None of what you said is true though. He’s not playing in a better league. He’s scored one goal. He’s not a regular starter. Danish league is better than Scottish League: FACT Didn't say starter I said regular football, since he signed for that team One goal more than he scored here: FACT Anything else I need to counter? Pi55 off and stop being a TW@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said: Danish league is better than Scottish League: FACT Didn't say starter I said regular football, since he signed for that team One goal more than he scored here: FACT Anything else I need to counter? Pi55 off and stop being a TW@ It’s not better. He’s a sub. Yes he’s scored lots of one goal. Stop making stuff up to have a go at the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Folk saying we gave up on Amankwaa too soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gershwin said: Folk saying we gave up on Amankwaa too soon Aye he was awful. Although if theres a worst sub of the season it has to go to him in the League Cup Semi Final. I believe he was thrown in to rescue his career and I don't like that sort of management one bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, rudi must stay said: Aye he was awful. Although if theres a worst sub of the season it has to go to him in the League Cup Semi Final. I believe he was thrown in to rescue his career and I don't like that sort of management one bit In fairness to absolute scenes I actually thought he done ok when he came on as sub in the league cup semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 hours ago, true-jambo said: He was at the POTY dinner on Sunday night, no idea if that is relevant or not Tbh he probably had as good a chance as anyone of winning it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Danish league is better than Scottish League: FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: in a better, bigger league than ours too Really! He got plenty of opportunities here and was found wanting. two starts and a few sub appearances and a solitary goal is little or nothing to go by to make these expansive claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Absolute Scenes said: it is facts, still regular football - the fact is he has done more for that club than he did for us because our fans are too impatient with player development The fans had nothing to do with Amankwa’s failure to make it at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1964m Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 He should be OK for the cup final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Aye will be okay for Final to carry the hampers off bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Sir Gio said: White was originally very well thought of Leeds, as a left back then into a more modern wing back, before really losing his way a bit, becoming a bit of square peg in a round hole. If he got back to his formative days, he could be very useful for us, but that is a big if. Would do well to keep him out of the spotlight until he has had plenty of game time, preseason It's a big if though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: It's a big if though. Does that mean you wouldn't have signed him or it's a chance worth taking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Does that mean you wouldn't have signed him or it's a chance worth taking? Not a question to me, I found it strange that an injury riddled position we sign an injured player for the past two years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: Does that mean you wouldn't have signed him or it's a chance worth taking? Your on a roll tonight Al, somebody must have upset you. I think you make too many assumptions and read too much into what people post. I have no objections to CL signing the guy but as we all know he is a big risk having not played for two years and we don't know how things will work out for him and us as a club. That was why I said "it's a big if" in reply to Sir Gio's post which contained a lot of "if's" nothing more than that Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Your on a roll tonight Al, somebody must have upset you. I think you make too many assumptions and read too much into what people post. I have no objections to CL signing the guy but as we all know he is a big risk having not played for two years and we don't know how things will work out for him and us as a club. That was why I said "it's a big if" in reply to Sir Gio's post which contained a lot of "if's" nothing more than that Al. I'm not asking if you had any objections to CL signing him. I was asking Would YOU have signed him? Yes or No? The reason I am asking is (if you believe what you read) we have the opportunity to sign a guy way above our level for a problem position and one would assume we have checked out the medical "What Ifs". I am sure AB and CL will have been astute enough regarding the terms of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, JamboAl said: I'm not asking if you had any objections to CL signing him. I was asking Would YOU have signed him? Yes or No? The reason I am asking is (if you believe what you read) we have the opportunity to sign a guy way above our level for a problem position and one would assume we have checked out the medical "What Ifs". I am sure AB and CL will have been astute enough regarding the terms of the contract. Bit of a silly question in my opinion asking if I would have signed him. I am not the Hearts Coach and I would question based on some of our previous signings the accuracy of your last sentence. If I were the Hearts Coach I would not have signed a large number of the players that CL has signed but then it is a hypothetical question and hardly appropriate. I have no idea what sort of deal White is on and as much as I would like him to regain full fitness and turn out to be a great signing for us I would have preferred to see us sign a fit left back who could have slotted into the team much sooner than White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Bauld said: I thought he was here with a view to playing next season not this? He's not played in 2 years. It's going to be a brutal summer for him before he's ready to play. Injury relapse half way up the first dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Bit of a silly question in my opinion asking if I would have signed him. I am not the Hearts Coach and I would question based on some of our previous signings the accuracy of your last sentence. If I were the Hearts Coach I would not have signed a large number of the players that CL has signed but then it is a hypothetical question and hardly appropriate. I have no idea what sort of deal White is on and as much as I would like him to regain full fitness and turn out to be a great signing for us I would have preferred to see us sign a fit left back who could have slotted into the team much sooner than White. So, from your last sentence that's a "NO" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Lfhearts said: Aye will be okay for Final to carry the hampers off bus. Could help with the Big Flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, JamboAl said: So, from your last sentence that's a "NO" Question for you Al. In the modern game the most athletically challenging position is full back as you are expected to track and defend while overlapping when your team attacks. In addition to this the most important part of playing in a back 4 or back 5 is building a relationship so you can act as a unit together. With these in mind do you think it's worth nursing a player who has played at a superior level back to health when you can't trust him to play every week. If he does get fit he will be back to the Championship for 4 times his wages after a season anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 ]# 1 minute ago, Jodami said: Question for you Al. In the modern game the most athletically challenging position is full back as you are expected to track and defend while overlapping when your team attacks. In addition to this the most important part of playing in a back 4 or back 5 is building a relationship so you can act as a unit together. With these in mind do you think it's worth nursing a player who has played at a superior level back to health when you can't trust him to play every week. If he does get fit he will be back to the Championship for 4 times his wages after a season anyway. He isn't playing while he's being "nursed" and I expect he will subject to a full medical examination before the new season begins. If he fails I'd expect that will be covered within the terms of his contract. If he passes then we have ourselves a fit LB who reportedly is better than we could normally afford. Re your last sentence you might be right that he'll be back in the Championship earning 4 times his wages but we could also have a large fee in our back pocket for a player who cost next to nothing. Good fishing, I'd say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 hours ago, tokyowalnut said: Can you list the 'second chance' players you're referring to? Just wondering Does Naismith not fall into that category, he's doing ok?! Obviously Naismith doesn't fall into the category. It was well publicised that our signing strategy was to aim for players that are looking to kick start their careers after a stuttering period. This strategy hasnt worked well in my opinion. From the top of my head a few examples would be El Hass and Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Vanececk was nowhere near the POTY awards Must've been the only player not in attendance In saying that i had about 40 pints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrekeo Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, JamboAl said: Does that mean you wouldn't have signed him or it's a chance worth taking? I think it probably is and I imagine it is built into his contract. My Leeds supporting mate said he was a stand out for them a few years ago, was on £14k a week and was being watched by a number of Premiership clubs. If he even gets back to 70% of what he was then he thinks we’ve won a watch. I imagine he’s on £3/400 a week with a significant bonus for any appearance he makes. Yes- it’s a big ‘if’ he ever does get to the point where he can play, nevermind the standard he was at. Sadly, these type of signings haven’t gone well for us in recent years but I’m happy for us to take a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, JamboAl said: So, from your last sentence that's a "NO" That's your view because that is what you want to believe that's not what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 13 hours ago, We_are_the_Hearts said: Any word? How long does it take to get someone fit? In Hearts years or human years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: ]# He isn't playing while he's being "nursed" and I expect he will subject to a full medical examination before the new season begins. If he fails I'd expect that will be covered within the terms of his contract. If he passes then we have ourselves a fit LB who reportedly is better than we could normally afford. Re your last sentence you might be right that he'll be back in the Championship earning 4 times his wages but we could also have a large fee in our back pocket for a player who cost next to nothing. Good fishing, I'd say! Sorry Al, I was in the boozer watching the Villa game! I hope he does get fit as we have a vacuum of talented left sided players at the moment (hoping Hickey helps address that in the next couple of years). Can't really see us making money on him though if we're not paying much. I would just like us to have a settled back 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: That's your view because that is what you want to believe that's not what I said. No, you waffled to keep your powder dry. It's quite a simple question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Jodami said: Sorry Al, I was in the boozer watching the Villa game! I hope he does get fit as we have a vacuum of talented left sided players at the moment (hoping Hickey helps address that in the next couple of years). Can't really see us making money on him though if we're not paying much. I would just like us to have a settled back 4. 1 How do you know we're not paying him much? We MIGHT be paying a good wage but with built-in conditions. I think we'd all like a settled back 4, or back 3 or back 5 or whatever works best for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: yep, its ranked 15th in the world, we're 23rd https://www.kickalgor.com/football-leagues/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-for-2018-19/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-2018-19-table/ Its just sad that posters don't have the patience to let players develop Ranking means nothing. Amankwaa was brutal and never going to make it in Scotland.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: In Hearts years or human years? PMSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: In Hearts years or human years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Des Lynam said: It’s not better. He’s a sub. Yes he’s scored lots of one goal. Stop making stuff up to have a go at the fans. https://www.kickalgor.com/football-leagues/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-for-2018-19/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-2018-19-table/ here you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 10 hours ago, indianajones said: Obviously Naismith doesn't fall into the category. It was well publicised that our signing strategy was to aim for players that are looking to kick start their careers after a stuttering period. This strategy hasnt worked well in my opinion. From the top of my head a few examples would be El Hass and Martin. Not sure Norwich fans would agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 8 hours ago, JamboAl said: No, you waffled to keep your powder dry. It's quite a simple question. One word answers don"t always portray the whole meaning though. As I said you believe or read things into others responses that suit what you want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: https://www.kickalgor.com/football-leagues/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-for-2018-19/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-2018-19-table/ here you go We've seen this, but he's hardly going from the SPL to the Bundesliga. Also, that table is open to interpretation as some of it is based on the status of the national side and also how many players played at the World Cup. This means that the EFL is roughly equal to the SPL (which is open to debate) I'm not saying the table is worthless, however it seems to me that the leagues are much the same when you get down to the smaller European nations. I would also imagine the Danish league is less frantic than ours, so may suit Danny more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: https://www.kickalgor.com/football-leagues/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-for-2018-19/the-ka-football-leagues-global-rating-2018-19-table/ here you go You still trying to cover up the FACT you made an absolute tit of yourself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: We've seen this, but he's hardly going from the SPL to the Bundesliga. Also, that table is open to interpretation as some of it is based on the status of the national side and also how many players played at the World Cup. This means that the EFL is roughly equal to the SPL (which is open to debate) I'm not saying the table is worthless, however it seems to me that the leagues are much the same when you get down to the smaller European nations. I would also imagine the Danish league is less frantic than ours, so may suit Danny more? agreed its not a massive leap, and I appreciate your answer It was aimed more at the individual(s) who were being tw@s and needed brought down a peg Frightening how many players we have had walk through the door in the last few years though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, johnthomas said: You still trying to cover up the FACT you made an absolute tit of yourself ? explain? The table clearly shows that the Danish league is ranked higher than the SPL, whether its accurate it could come to debate, and maybe not solely based on the style or football ability - but still an official site with accurate data that you cant completely disregard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 11 hours ago, kimosavi said: Vanececk was nowhere near the POTY awards Must've been the only player not in attendance In saying that i had about 40 pints Vanecek won’t be at the club past the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch41 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 We need a large sign put up at Riccarton Welcome to all players in need of recuperation. Do you have a recurring muscle problem. Do you have a undiagnosed injury. Have you not played football for over 6 months. Come on into our reception and after a friendly chat with our very own injury expert, Mr Levein, we are sure we can give you a generous contract and get you playing a some sort of level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, mitch41 said: We need a large sign put up at Riccarton Welcome to all players in need of recuperation. Do you have a recurring muscle problem. Do you have a undiagnosed injury. Have you not played football for over 6 months. Come on into our reception and after a friendly chat with our very own injury expert, Mr Levein, we are sure we can give you a generous contract and get you playing a some sort of level. don't quit your day job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, wavydavy said: One word answers don"t always portray the whole meaning though. As I said you believe or read things into others responses that suit what you want to believe. Nor does jockeying for position to leave one free to criticise if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMBO747 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 15 hours ago, kimosavi said: Vanececk was nowhere near the POTY awards Must've been the only player not in attendance In saying that i had about 40 pints Vanececk was in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Absolute Scenes said: explain? The table clearly shows that the Danish league is ranked higher than the SPL, whether its accurate it could come to debate, and maybe not solely based on the style or football ability - but still an official site with accurate data that you cant completely disregard Although a 5 year countback shows Denmark ahead on country coefficient, Scotland picked up more in the last available 12 months, so if you want to go by official stats, Denmark has been slightly better in the past, Scotland is currently slightly better. But anyway, is a league with crowds averaging less than 6,000 bigger and better than ours? Less than 5k per home game for Mr Amankwaa too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 21 hours ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Another gamble. Craig likes a punt Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) . Edited May 15, 2019 by Scotland Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, Smithee said: Although a 5 year countback shows Denmark ahead on country coefficient, Scotland picked up more in the last available 12 months, so if you want to go by official stats, Denmark has been slightly better in the past, Scotland is currently slightly better. But anyway, is a league with crowds averaging less than 6,000 bigger and better than ours? Less than 5k per home game for Mr Amankwaa too! Yeah I guess these countries are not followed well, which is annoying as they are rated higher, but we bring in more crowds and support our teams so much more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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