vegas-voss Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Simple question really.I look at the team sheet most weeks and I just think what a poor side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1976 team would run them close, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambmoz Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Too young to know about the 76 team but this is a very poor cup final team with very little chance of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, S Form said: 1976 team would run them close, I think. 8 years before my time supporting Hearts so I will take your word for.They must have been brutal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 We could be on the wrong end of a complete hiding. It's the worst team since my first final in 1986. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) Probably. Thinking back....v Rangers 98, Cameron, Adam, Salvatori, Flogel, Fulton, Weir and the rest. v Gretna 06, Fyssas, Skacel, Hartley, Jankauskas, and the others. v Hibs 12... Skacel, Grainger, Suso, Driver blah de blah... yes, I think it probably is. That said, I don't think we have bad, bad players in particular, just players that are coached incorrectly. Edited April 20, 2019 by jambonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Certainly in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: 8 years before my time supporting Hearts so I will take your word for.They must have been brutal ? Shuggy Shaw was one of the stars of the team - says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Simple question really.I look at the team sheet most weeks and I just think what a poor side. Definitely simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1976 was a poor side, subsequently became the first ever Hearts side to be relegated in 1977 The current side don’t have the belief to beat Celtic in a cup final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The '76 team and John Haggart would beat this feeble, gutless Craig Levein shambles. Even allowing for the latters superior fitness, training facilities. One look at Drew Busby and co and today's lot would burst oot greetin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, jambonian said: Probably. Thinking back....v Rangers 98, Cameron, Adam, Salvatori, Flogel, Fulton, Weir and the rest. v Gretna 06, Fyssas, Skacel, Hartley, Jankauskas, and the others. v Hibs 12... Skacel, Grainger, Suso, Driver blah de blah... yes, I think it probably is. That said, I don't think we have bad, bad players in particular, just players that are coached incorrectly. ‘86 v Aberdeen had Jardine,Levein,Mackay,Colquhoun,Clark,Robertson. ’96 v Rangers had, Rousett, Ritchie, McPherson,Bruno,Pointon, Colquhoun, Johnston, Robertson. Any of the Hearts cup final teams in my lifetime would hammer the current lot. Edited April 20, 2019 by iantjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, S Form said: Shuggy Shaw was one of the stars of the team - says it all. Still a PHM btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Shaton Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 That team v St Mirren were no great shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Police Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Just now, Pants Shaton said: That team v St Mirren were no great shakes Beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) Worst Hearts team I have seen for a while. Even the team under Gary Locke which was eventually relegated had more fight and guile than this lot under Levein. Edited April 20, 2019 by Class of 75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The team v St Mirren were pretty awful, yet we had a few leaders and certainly a few guys who could create something. This lot are a bunch of imposters bar a select few. Worst SC final team certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 68 final against Dunfermline for me. My first big cup final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trapper John McIntyre Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) The '76 team would beat the present squad but were an admittedly comparatively poor team in regards to other cup final sides we've fielded, even ones that lost. They were on hiding to nothing against that Rangers team and even a strong Hearts team would have struggled. On saying that they could still have avoided the ignominy of relegation that year. There were decent players in that squad. It could have been avoided along with the subsequent years of decline that followed. Edited April 20, 2019 by Trapper John McIntyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, iantjambo said: ‘86 v Aberdeen had Jardine,Levein,Mackay,Colquhoun,Clark,Robertson. ’96 v Rangers had, Rousett, Ritchie, McPherson,Bruno,Pointon, Colquhoun, Johnston, Robertson. Any of the Hearts cup final teams in my lifetime would hammer the current lot. yes, I was going to mention those teams as well but just went with the winning ones. But I agree, those were actually pretty decent teams as well, even the 96 League Cup Final team v (proper) Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pants Shaton said: That team v St Mirren were no great shakes 7 minutes ago, Thought Police said: Beat me to it Not great. Would still fancy them against the current spineless lot though. Edited April 20, 2019 by iantjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Simply put yes. 100% yes. and without a doubt the worst management team. Player wise we are decent but the management are shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Our LC final team v St Mirren was poor, but it had Ryan Stevenson who produced one of the best individual performances on the day I’ve seen from a Hearts player. The rest of them were a disgrace that day. Our current team doesn’t have a Ryan Stevenson though. However, if Naismith is somehow fit he is a game changer for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 They aren't poor, it is the coaching and style of play. They are capable of so much better performances. So up and down with Levein but against Celtic, and particularly Lennon, he's performed better. So I still have hope for the cup final! A team of cult heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I think it's fair to say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Pants Shaton said: That team v St Mirren were no great shakes I still think they are better than this lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2013 League Cup final side probably was worse in terms of personnel but bigger on heart. Still should have won that final. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 It’s a team that has a 1% chance of winning that’s for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Simple question really.I look at the team sheet most weeks and I just think what a poor side. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, iantjambo said: ‘86 v Aberdeen had Jardine,Levein,Mackay,Colquhoun,Clark,Robertson. ’96 v Rangers had, Rousett, Ritchie, McPherson,Bruno,Pointon, Colquhoun, Johnston, Robertson. Any of the Hearts cup final teams in my lifetime would hammer the current lot. That 86 team lost to an Alex Ferguson Aberdeen team who were one solid side.They would go to town with this current side. Starting to wonder if it's worth my while busting a gut to get to Hampden next month. Sorry for the certain troll type post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 We hardly ever get to cup finals so hardly a lot to compare with. We were within minutes of the league title in 86 and got hammered in the cup final. I thought the 1996 team was full of great players and they got pumped 5-1 will this team lose by a bigger margin? I think the 98 team was excellent but they got pumped stupid by Rangers in both home games season 97/98 - 5-2 and 3-0. This thread is a pointless jab at a team who have gotten us to a final - lots of much better teams have let us down badly long before this stage. Instead of trying to slag off one of only a handful of teams who have been successful enough to get there try getting behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Yes. I'd say that individually, we have some pretty decent players. As a 'team" though they are shite, this being down to the way they are set-up by the manager. Confidence seems to be very low and in turn, it appears that the majority of them don't give a hoot about playing for Hearts. 1976 team was shite too but at least had some fight and pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17710952 7 years tomorrow. Also 25 Apr 1998 Hearts 0 Rangers 3 Nothing new. We scored today Progress Edited April 20, 2019 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1976 wins easily. And the 2013 League Cup Final side was much, much worse than this. It's a bit of a daft question, because Hearts so rarely reach finals when we don't have a good or very good side. And the only time we've ever won anything when we hadn't had a great season beforehand was 2012. We're extremely fortunate to be in a position whereby one huge performance transforms the entire season into a great success. So let's take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said: 1976 wins easily. And the 2013 League Cup Final side was much, much worse than this. It's a bit of a daft question, because Hearts so rarely reach finals when we don't have a good or very good side. And the only time we've ever won anything when we hadn't had a great season beforehand was 2012. We're extremely fortunate to be in a position whereby one huge performance transforms the entire season into a great success. So let's take it. It would have to be awfy 'huge' Shaun. It's Celtic, in Glasgow, going for the 'treble treble'. What proverbial rabbit from the hat could Craig pull for this scenario? That's too 'huge' an ask for this team. Surely? Please let me be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I think people are looking at the '12 team with maroon tinted specs. If that team was about to play Celtic in a final, we'd be just as pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairdryer Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, rick witter said: It’s a team that has a 1% chance of winning that’s for sure. Spot on terrifies me even thinking about the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Morgan said: It would have to be awfy 'huge' Shaun. It's Celtic, in Glasgow, going for the 'treble treble'. What proverbial rabbit from the hat could Craig pull for this scenario? That's too 'huge' an ask for this team. Surely? Please let me be wrong. Not necessarily. 1. We have a manager who has beaten Celtic twice over these last two seasons. Thrashing them to within an inch of their lives on the first of those occasions. 2. They have a manager who, at Hampden, has lost to Ross County, Kilmarnock, Hearts, St Mirren... and has been knocked out of Cup competitions, at home, by Morton and Aberdeen. 3. Who (if fit) is our trump card? Steven Naismith of course. Who's every bit as vital to this side as Rudi was to the 2011/12 side. A fit Naismith then makes Uche a much more effective threat too. Of course we're second favourites; of course we'll need the rub of the green. But we have a chance too. It's not a hopeless quest at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Morgan said: Yes. I'd say that individually, we have some pretty decent players. As a 'team" though they are shite, this being down to the way they are set-up by the manager. Confidence seems to be very low and in turn, it appears that the majority of them don't give a hoot about playing for Hearts. 1976 team was shite too but at least had some fight and pride. Or is Levein who can't get them motivated to win 3 points over a poor rangers team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: I think people are looking at the '12 team with maroon tinted specs. If that team was about to play Celtic in a final, we'd be just as pessimistic. Possibly. That 2012 team would beat our team today. I have zero doubts about that. Oh for a Suso, Rudi or Andy Driver at Hampden ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambomjm74 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The 2012 team were similar.. although they played the wee team which was easy peasy and but for Paulo showing compassion would have been 7 or 8 .... “it could have been ten” They had to beat a better Celtic team on the way to the final than the one ahead of us... so whilst levein has them playing within themselves... there is always a chance and to quote keegan..: I’d love it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, rick witter said: It’s a team that has a 1% chance of winning that’s for sure. About 30% IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 hour ago, vegas-voss said: Simple question really.I look at the team sheet most weeks and I just think what a poor side. Going to the final out of love for the maroon jersey and with a big dose of blind faith. The sad thing is there’ll hardly be any pre match talk of who should play where, who can hurt Celtic and what different ways we can play to get the win. We are that bland, lacking variety and exciting options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, The Doc said: Possibly. That 2012 team would beat our team today. I have zero doubts about that. Oh for a Suso, Rudi or Andy Driver at Hampden ? The 2012 side were a very average lot until Beattie joined us. He gave us such an X-factor that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The 2013 team was pretty poor. Probably worse than the current bunch tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doc Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, shaun.lawson said: The 2012 side were a very average lot until Beattie joined us. He gave us such an X-factor that day. Never started the final of course. We had a player in black who was able to boss the midfield, wide players who played the pitch perfectly and Rudi who hated the vermin. We have none of that on the 25th May 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Doc said: Never started the final of course. We had a player in black who was able to boss the midfield, wide players who played the pitch perfectly and Rudi who hated the vermin. We have none of that on the 25th May 2019 Ah - but like Norm above, what I'm doing here is comparing the meeting ahead with Lennon's Celtic with the semi-final with Lennon's Celtic. Would our current side be big favourites against Hibs 2012? Of course it would. The question's whether we can raise it and produce one glorious, inspirational effort in a similar way to the semi-final seven years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I actually think the group of players we have are that bad, would even be comparable to the 2012 team. Just very, very poorly managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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