Салатные палочки Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 A three week old baby is in a critical condition in hospital after being mauled by a dog. Not sure of the circumstances or the breed of dog, however IMO if it is proven that the baby was left alone with the dog then the parents and owners should be jailed. I am sick of seeing these pictures on social media of big, bull-terrier type dogs lying next to new-born babies and people saying how gentle they are around them. It is just irresponsible, they are totally unpredictable dogs and once one of them gets a hold of a baby so small, the injuries must be absolutely horrific. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-47899787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 That logic should be applied to ALL breeds of dogs not just the demonised bull terrier & similar breeds . I fully agree with you in the punishment of the person who left the baby and dog together unattended . Most dogs are fantastic pets ,sadly the same can’t be said about the owners . Another tragic and avoidable incident that I hope the baby survives . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just horrible and sad. Personally, I wouldn’t have any dog (even cat) if there was a newborn or young child about. Yes they are wonderful pets, but even if it is a poodle or Doberman they are too unpredictable and can be provoked by accident by a kid just waving a hand about. Really hope this wee one pulls through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Pretty much all dogs can do this if they get the chance. But yes, allowing a dog to be a danger to a baby should be a visit to the jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The dogs aren't the problem it is the arsehole owners who don't know how to train or handle a dog properly. Unfortunately that dog will likely be destroyed and a kid scarred for life. I have owned staffies and pit bulls in the past and they were gentle as anything.i got them very young so trained them well. My last dog was a westie jack Russel cross she was abused and came to me incredibly aggressive and who could blame her? Took ages to get her to trust me and calm down. But she did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 We have the most lovable, friendly dog you could ask for but he was never left alone with the wee man when he was a baby. Now they're best of friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better call Saul Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: A three week old baby is in a critical condition in hospital after being mauled by a dog. Not sure of the circumstances or the breed of dog, however IMO if it is proven that the baby was left alone with the dog then the parents and owners should be jailed. I am sick of seeing these pictures on social media of big, bull-terrier type dogs lying next to new-born babies and people saying how gentle they are around them. It is just irresponsible, they are totally unpredictable dogs and once one of them gets a hold of a baby so small, the injuries must be absolutely horrific. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-47899787 That social media thing also does my head in "my two babies together " etc etc etc *U*k right off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: Not sure of the circumstances or the breed of dog, however IMO if it is proven that the baby was left alone with the dog then the parents and owners should be jailed. Correct. Or even if just left beside the dog at all at that age, even if the parents were in the same room. Asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 Local councillor on the news earlier saying that there are a lot of stray dogs in the area. I don't know if by that he means that the dog wandered into the house off the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Staffies = guns If you want one, you should be the last person to have one. I cannot remember the last person mauled to death by a retriever, or a spaniel. "its not the gun that kills " " its not the dog, its the owner" erm, no. The staffies are physically built to attack. There are thousands of other breeds- why would anyone want a staffie? they managed to get over not being allowed pitbulls perfectly well. Get yourself a labradoodle, and you may find your inadequacy that drives you to buy a muscle hound resolves itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Generally it is down to the owner how a dog behaves. However in the Instances of small children around dogs, all it takes is the wave of an arm or such, especially when the baby is so young and the dog could feel that it's territory is threatened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Staffies = guns If you want one, you should be the last person to have one. I cannot remember the last person mauled to death by a retriever, or a spaniel. "its not the gun that kills " " its not the dog, its the owner" erm, no. The staffies are physically built to attack. There are thousands of other breeds- why would anyone want a staffie? they managed to get over not being allowed pitbulls perfectly well. Get yourself a labradoodle, and you may find your inadequacy that drives you to buy a muscle hound resolves itself They want a dog? Get a chihuahua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Reekin' Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, AlimOzturk said: The dogs aren't the problem it is the arsehole owners who don't know how to train or handle a dog properly. Unfortunately that dog will likely be destroyed and a kid scarred for life. I have owned staffies and pit bulls in the past and they were gentle as anything.i got them very young so trained them well. My last dog was a westie jack Russel cross she was abused and came to me incredibly aggressive and who could blame her? Took ages to get her to trust me and calm down. But she did. No matter how well trained a dog is and how friendly, gentle, and obedient it is towards its owner(s), bringing a baby or toddler or young child into the equation can cause big changes in the dog's behaviour. Often the dog is the focus for the family's attention and each family member may spend more time interacting with the dog rather than each other. Then, when a baby arrives on the scene, this all changes and everyone's attention switches to the new arrival. Dogs can often find this sudden switch difficult to understand and adjust to and can react with jealousy and aggression towards what they see as their rival and competition for the affection and attention of its "pack". The more placid and laid-back breeds are likely to adapt quicker and usually do so with less stress; the breeds you mention - no matter how good they were with you and those around you - as well as other dogs bred for their hunting / guarding / fighting abilities are less able to do so because of their temperaments. Of course, any badly-trained or mistreated dog of any breed can be uncontrollable and aggressive, but that takes us back to arsehole owners... Edited April 12, 2019 by Auld Reekin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Staffies = guns If you want one, you should be the last person to have one. I cannot remember the last person mauled to death by a retriever, or a spaniel. "its not the gun that kills " " its not the dog, its the owner" erm, no. The staffies are physically built to attack. There are thousands of other breeds- why would anyone want a staffie? they managed to get over not being allowed pitbulls perfectly well. Get yourself a labradoodle, and you may find your inadequacy that drives you to buy a muscle hound resolves itself I can safely assume you’ve never owned a Staffie ? And by that I don’t mean one of the many bred by low life scum that are mixed breed and not pedigree . Get one from a reputable breeder and you get a very affectionate loyal dog . If you think labradoodles won’t bite you’re kidding yourself on , poodles can be nasty wee ****ers too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Auld Reekin' said: No matter how well trained a dog is and how friendly, gentle, and obedient it is towards its owner(s), bringing a baby or toddler or young child into the equation can cause big changes in the dog's behaviour. Often the dog is the focus for the family's attention and each family member may spend more time interacting with the dog rather than each other. Then, when a baby arrives on the scene, this all changes and everyone's attention switches to the new arrival. Dogs can often find this sudden switch difficult to understand and adjust to and can react with jealousy and aggression towards what they see as their rival and competition for the affection and attention of its "pack". The more placid and laid-back breeds are likely to adapt quicker and usually do so with less stress; the breeds you mention - no matter how good they were with you and those around you - as well as other dogs bred for their hunting / guarding / fighting abilities are less able to do so because of their temperaments. Of course, any badly-trained or mistreated dog of any breed can be uncontrollable and aggressive, but that takes us back to arsehole owners... Nailed it ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: Nailed it ?? No he hasn't. Any change to a dogs behaviour is the result of lazy or bad training techniques. A well trained dog will adapt to a new family member no problem at all as long as long as the introduction is done properly. Clicker training is the best way to keep a dog in line and plenty exercise. I have had and been around dogs my whole life and not one dog EVER turned against me or anyone I know. And these are all the apparent devil dogs people talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I can safely assume you’ve never owned a Staffie ? And by that I don’t mean one of the many bred by low life scum that are mixed breed and not pedigree . Get one from a reputable breeder and you get a very affectionate loyal dog . If you think labradoodles won’t bite you’re kidding yourself on , poodles can be nasty wee ****ers too . Sure , all other breeds bite- they are descended from wolves. But I have never seen a report of a child being rag-dolled by the head by a cocker spaniel. Or a crying baby being killed by a collie. More people in the UK are killed by staffies than firearms now. Go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Staffies = guns If you want one, you should be the last person to have one. I cannot remember the last person mauled to death by a retriever, or a spaniel. "its not the gun that kills " " its not the dog, its the owner" erm, no. The staffies are physically built to attack. There are thousands of other breeds- why would anyone want a staffie? they managed to get over not being allowed pitbulls perfectly well. Get yourself a labradoodle, and you may find your inadequacy that drives you to buy a muscle hound resolves itself Do you want to explain what you mean by that statement? As it seems quite insulting to the many thousands of decent people like myself who have owned these dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I can safely assume you’ve never owned a Staffie ? And by that I don’t mean one of the many bred by low life scum that are mixed breed and not pedigree . Get one from a reputable breeder and you get a very affectionate loyal dog . If you think labradoodles won’t bite you’re kidding yourself on , poodles can be nasty wee ****ers too . Wouldn't want one- ugly *******s bred to attack things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, AlimOzturk said: Do you want to explain what you mean by that statement? As it seems quite insulting to the many thousands of decent people like myself who have owned these dogs. THink its fairly obvious If you are drawn to such things as staffies, when you could choose from thousands of other breeds, and want to strut around with a mass of muscle and teeth on the end of a leash, then there must be a reason. Same one as people used to want American Pit bulls and all manner of other attack dogs. Either a tiny tadger, or a tiny brain, or both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: THink its fairly obvious If you are drawn to such things as staffies, when you could choose from thousands of other breeds, and want to strut around with a mass of muscle and teeth on the end of a leash, then there must be a reason. Same one as people used to want American Pit bulls and all manner of other attack dogs. Either a tiny tadger, or a tiny brain, or both Ok, explain to me what I have said or done to you to deserve such insults thrown my way? People like you who hide behind keyboards or phone screens thinking they can throw insults and sweeping statements like that are scum bags. If that is your attitude you are simply not worth the time or effort. Edited April 12, 2019 by AlimOzturk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Wouldn't want one- ugly *******s bred to attack things. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Pitbulls are the AR15 of dog breeds. Made to do maximum damage, pointlessly owned by arseholes and asking for danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, doctor jambo said: Staffies = guns If you want one, you should be the last person to have one. I cannot remember the last person mauled to death by a retriever, or a spaniel. "its not the gun that kills " " its not the dog, its the owner" erm, no. The staffies are physically built to attack. There are thousands of other breeds- why would anyone want a staffie? they managed to get over not being allowed pitbulls perfectly well. Get yourself a labradoodle, and you may find your inadequacy that drives you to buy a muscle hound resolves itself What a big steaming pile of shite of a post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: No he hasn't. Any change to a dogs behaviour is the result of lazy or bad training techniques. A well trained dog will adapt to a new family member no problem at all as long as long as the introduction is done properly. Clicker training is the best way to keep a dog in line and plenty exercise. I have had and been around dogs my whole life and not one dog EVER turned against me or anyone I know. And these are all the apparent devil dogs people talk about. But what you’ve got to remember buddy is that there’s levels of training . you are obviously at the high end of the scale , then there’s the bulk of dog owners who have control over their dogs , then there’s those that have dogs who can barely control themselves let alone an animal . When a child is introduced to the family it changes the pack dynamic unfortunately . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The dogs involved were not staffies, they were bull mastiff crosses with another breed, possibly a pitbull. I used to to stay around the corner from that house, I know what kind of dogs lived there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, peter_hmfc said: Pitbulls are the AR15 of dog breeds. Made to do maximum damage, pointlessly owned by arseholes and asking for danger. Pit bulls are illegal in this Country. You’d be able to spot one a mile away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: No he hasn't. Any change to a dogs behaviour is the result of lazy or bad training techniques. A well trained dog will adapt to a new family member no problem at all as long as long as the introduction is done properly. Clicker training is the best way to keep a dog in line and plenty exercise. I have had and been around dogs my whole life and not one dog EVER turned against me or anyone I know. And these are all the apparent devil dogs people talk about. Babies/toddlers are also unpredictable, annoying little shits. There's no accounting for what a baby could do at any moment that will provoke the dog to respond. You'd need to have eyes on them at all times. Edited April 12, 2019 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: Do you want to explain what you mean by that statement? As it seems quite insulting to the many thousands of decent people like myself who have owned these dogs. Exactly, I’ve owned two staffies in my life, both have been the nicest dogs I’ve ever known. Anyone demonising Staffies is unfit to contribute to this thread and possibly doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The old cliché. No such thing as a bad dog. Only a bad owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crete Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 No Dogs should be left alone with children.Thoughts with the baby's family hope the little one pulls through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Crete said: No Dogs should be left alone with children.Thoughts with the baby's family hope the little one pulls through. Indeed. Sounding bad for the kid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: Exactly, I’ve owned two staffies in my life, both have been the nicest dogs I’ve ever known. Anyone demonising Staffies is unfit to contribute to this thread and possibly doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about. They might well be. Woman across the stair from me has one and it seems a friendly (if boisterous and very ‘jump-uppy’) thing. But ... like any other dog I have no doubt that it could be unpredictable. I don’t want to be insulting, but anyone who thinks that unpredictability can be reliably trained out of them, these animals let’s not forget, is kidding themselves. I would never leave a dog alone with a young child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Can someone post me a link to an article covering a situation where a Labrador, poodle or Collie etc has mauled a child? I await with baited breath. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroongoals Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Cygnet said: Can someone post me a link to an article covering a situation where a Labrador, poodle or Collie etc has mauled a child? I await with baited breath. Thanks. http://www.wboc.com/story/10769319/girl-7-hospitalized-after-poodle-attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, maroongoals said: http://www.wboc.com/story/10769319/girl-7-hospitalized-after-poodle-attack Literally 1 min that took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, FWJ said: They might well be. Woman across the stair from me has one and it seems a friendly (if boisterous and very ‘jump-uppy’) thing. But ... like any other dog I have no doubt that it could be unpredictable. I don’t want to be insulting, but anyone who thinks that unpredictability can be reliably trained out of them, these animals let’s not forget, is kidding themselves. I would never leave a dog alone with a young child. It entirely depends on the dog and how well you know it. I know my auld staffy At 12 yr old, who’s terrified of the rabbit, been dressed up, sat on, chased about and has never bitten ‘anything’ in it’s life, is trustworthy and wouldn’t harm a fly. I know of other dogs who seem pleasant enough who I certainly wouldn’t leave in the same room as a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, maroongoals said: http://www.wboc.com/story/10769319/girl-7-hospitalized-after-poodle-attack “Bitten” the article says. Not mauled or killed. I’ve been bitten by a hamster but it doesn’t mean it’s liable to maul me to death. Unlike Staffies etc which are the mutts of the schemie world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: It entirely depends on the dog and how well you know it. I know my auld staffy At 12 yr old, who’s terrified of the rabbit, been dressed up, sat on, chased about and has never bitten ‘anything’ in it’s life, is trustworthy and wouldn’t harm a fly. Sorry CT, but it’s an animal. How can you know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cygnet said: Can someone post me a link to an article covering a situation where a Labrador, poodle or Collie etc has mauled a child? I await with baited breath. Thanks. Collies and Labs are some of the most aggressive dogs I’ve ever come across. Infact my father in law had to get his 3 year old Border Collie put down recently. Lovely dog but had probably been beaten by a teenage boy as a pup. It had been sent to a home where my father in law, who has had Collies all his life, took it. Unfortunately it bit me once, it bit my missus and it was simply a nervous wreck and it didn’t know how to trust people. Unfortunately in the end, it had to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, FWJ said: Sorry CT, but it’s an animal. How can you know that? Because I do. People are more unpredictable than dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: Pit bulls are illegal in this Country. You’d be able to spot one a mile away. It'd be the raging beast with the toddlers arm in its mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I leave my Frenchie with my baby boy all the time. People who wouldn’t leave their dog alone with their children clearly shouldn’t have dogs as pets. Hope the bairn in this case ends up okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Collies and Labs are some of the most aggressive dogs I’ve ever come across. Infact my father in law had to get his 3 year old Border Collie put down recently. Lovely dog but had probably been beaten by a teenage boy as a pup. It had been sent to a home where my father in law, who has had Collies all his life, took it. Unfortunately it bit me once, it bit my missus and it was simply a nervous wreck and it didn’t know how to trust people. Unfortunately in the end, it had to go. Come on mate, you can't use a collie that was beaten to **** to justify saying collies and labs are aggressive. I generally find staffies to be pretty friendly, in fact I can't remember encountering an aggressive one. Pitbull types and crosses again I've not seen many aggressive ones but they always give me a feeling they can turn pretty quick. I think as much as its the owners more than the dog there's a reason the owners pick those breeds. They are built to fight. I find them to be more jealous as well which may explain why it always appears to be them that attacks kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Come on mate, you can't use a collie that was beaten to **** to justify saying collies and labs are aggressive. I generally find staffies to be pretty friendly, in fact I can't remember encountering an aggressive one. Pitbull types and crosses again I've not seen many aggressive ones but they always give me a feeling they can turn pretty quick. I think as much as its the owners more than the dog there's a reason the owners pick those breeds. They are built to fight. I find them to be more jealous as well which may explain why it always appears to be them that attacks kids. Labs are actually responsible for the most dog attacks in the U.K. on people. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-breed-most-likely-to-attack-bite-you-revealed-a7166296.html%3famp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 According to my Missus who is itk on all things in that shitehole Hawick, it was patterdale terriers and a lurcher that attacked the child. Those dugs are used in those parts for deer hunting and badger baiting. Which might explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Dogs and young children = unpredictability Its more sensible not to leave them alone together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: Collies and Labs are some of the most aggressive dogs I’ve ever come across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: Labs are actually responsible for the most dog attacks in the U.K. on people. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-breed-most-likely-to-attack-bite-you-revealed-a7166296.html%3famp 15 minutes ago, felix said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said: Labs are actually responsible for the most dog attacks in the U.K. on people. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-breed-most-likely-to-attack-bite-you-revealed-a7166296.html%3famp They are also pretty much the most popular dogs. Have you any stats on serious attacks? If you think labs in general are more aggressive than staffies or pitbulls you're a bit deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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