indianajones Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, felix said: Julain Assange has been discharged on grounds he's too great a suicide risk to be extradited. Decent news for a change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55528241 Is that a dig at the Epstein 'suicide'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Good. The guy's a prick but this entire saga has painted the US and UK authorities in a very dim light and highlighted that the rule of law only just about still applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, indianajones said: Is that a dig at the Epstein 'suicide'? Hadn't really thought of that. Quite sly if so. Up front looks like a face saving way of releasing someone who shouldn't have been in Belmarsh in the first place.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, Cade said: Good. The guy's a prick but this entire saga has painted the US and UK authorities in a very dim light and highlighted that the rule of law only just about still applies. Well the judge today dismissed all the defence arguments. Basically saying it is correct he should face trial in the US. The cruelty of the US penal system in place particularly since 9/11 has let them down. Ball in their court now to arrange a better prison arrangement. Doubt they will be capable of doing that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 His bidey in has just claimed on BBC that the US tried to kill him on British soil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Candy said: His bidey in has just claimed on BBC that the US tried to kill him on British soil That's OK, only Russians are baddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynieman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Unfortunately, he’s not quite free yet. The USA will appeal the ruling and there’s no guarantee that it won’t be successful. The ruling was based on the risk of his suicide rather than whether the US has a legitimate case against him, which strengthens the chances of a successful appeal in my opinion. It’s not only an injustice what has happened to him - but it’s legitimately frightening that the UK has been apart of this. Every human rights organisation has condemned his treatment, as has almost all sensible political voice who has spoken. It really is a disgrace and quite frankly disgusting what has been allowed to happen to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tynieman said: Unfortunately, he’s not quite free yet. The USA will appeal the ruling and there’s no guarantee that it won’t be successful. The ruling was based on the risk of his suicide rather than whether the US has a legitimate case against him, which strengthens the chances of a successful appeal in my opinion. It’s not only an injustice what has happened to him - but it’s legitimately frightening that the UK has been apart of this. Every human rights organisation has condemned his treatment, as has almost all sensible political voice who has spoken. It really is a disgrace and quite frankly disgusting what has been allowed to happen to him. Agreed. Our courts have a tendency to bend over to the U.S. for extradition whereas the reverse never happens, with that diplomat's wife who fled the country being a recent example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 56 minutes ago, Tynieman said: Unfortunately, he’s not quite free yet. The USA will appeal the ruling and there’s no guarantee that it won’t be successful. The ruling was based on the risk of his suicide rather than whether the US has a legitimate case against him, which strengthens the chances of a successful appeal in my opinion. It’s not only an injustice what has happened to him - but it’s legitimately frightening that the UK has been apart of this. Every human rights organisation has condemned his treatment, as has almost all sensible political voice who has spoken. It really is a disgrace and quite frankly disgusting what has been allowed to happen to him. did he not actually hack into official US and Uk government internal websites which is illegal. i have signed as a civil servant the official secrets act if i leaked official secret info i would be jailed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, frankblack said: Agreed. Our courts have a tendency to bend over to the U.S. for extradition whereas the reverse never happens, with that diplomat's wife who fled the country being a recent example. They could offer an exchange deal. That would piss off the Yanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynieman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: did he not actually hack into official US and Uk government internal websites which is illegal. i have signed as a civil servant the official secrets act if i leaked official secret info i would be jailed No, not really. All the information published by wiki leaks was available on dozens on websites beforehand. Also, he published illegal acts, made it known to the public domain, which ultimately is not only morally correct, but also what journalism and freedom of the press is for. Amnesty International has called his treatment inhumane. His only crime was to call out corruption (as well as murderous acts) by both governments. What they called hacking would be better defined as whistleblowing. Edited January 4, 2021 by Tynieman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tynieman said: No, not really. All the information published by wiki leaks was available on dozens on websites beforehand. Also, he published illegal acts, made it known to the public domain, which ultimately is not only morally correct, but also what journalism and freedom of the press is for. Amnesty International has called his treatment inhumane. His only crime was to call out corruption (as well as murderous acts) by both governments. What they called hacking would be better defined as whistleblowing. okay if it was all available beforehand seems crazy that he was pulled up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 26 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: did he not actually hack into official US and Uk government internal websites which is illegal. i have signed as a civil servant the official secrets act if i leaked official secret info i would be jailed No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Tynieman said: Unfortunately, he’s not quite free yet. The USA will appeal the ruling and there’s no guarantee that it won’t be successful. The ruling was based on the risk of his suicide rather than whether the US has a legitimate case against him, which strengthens the chances of a successful appeal in my opinion. It’s not only an injustice what has happened to him - but it’s legitimately frightening that the UK has been apart of this. Every human rights organisation has condemned his treatment, as has almost all sensible political voice who has spoken. It really is a disgrace and quite frankly disgusting what has been allowed to happen to him. Absolutely, the court appointees and procedures have again demonstrated just what a corrupt country we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynieman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, coconut doug said: Absolutely, the court appointees and procedures have again demonstrated just what a corrupt country we live in. Totally agree. Unfortunately most of the population are blind to it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tynieman said: Totally agree. Unfortunately most of the population are blind to it all Including most of his fellow journalists. It's little wonder the public know so little. I expect he will now be legally silenced if he wants to be released from prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Pity he was not extradited but if there are medical reasons that can stand up then that's how it has to be Never seemed to have that problem living in the embassy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 hours ago, CJGJ said: Pity he was not extradited but if there are medical reasons that can stand up then that's how it has to be Never seemed to have that problem living in the embassy though Why would you want Assange to be extradited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, coconut doug said: Why would you want Assange to be extradited? he has cost taxpayers a fortune already having police outside the embassy for eight years. maybe he will head back to Australia when he's released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoolfordsHearts Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: he has cost taxpayers a fortune already having police outside the embassy for eight years. maybe he will head back to Australia when he's released. It's a disgrace,hopefully we've not been picking up this wrong un's legal bills aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: he has cost taxpayers a fortune already having police outside the embassy for eight years. maybe he will head back to Australia when he's released. That's not a reason. He didn't ask them to waste their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said: It's a disgrace,hopefully we've not been picking up this wrong un's legal bills aswell. How is he a wrong un? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, coconut doug said: That's not a reason. He didn't ask them to waste their time. well if he hadn't went into the embassy in the first place it could all have been resolved through the courts if he was innocent then fine set free guilty then jailed. was the initial charge not the one the Swedish courts wanted him extradited for an alleged sex crime so he could have ended up in Sweden then it wouldn't have ended up on our doorstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: well if he hadn't went into the embassy in the first place it could all have been resolved through the courts if he was innocent then fine set free guilty then jailed. was the initial charge not the one the Swedish courts wanted him extradited for an alleged sex crime so he could have ended up in Sweden then it wouldn't have ended up on our doorstep. I don't think it could. Assange was going to be extradited to the USA and never see the light of day again. He has done humanity a great service, damaged the usa/west and was never getting a fair trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, coconut doug said: I don't think it could. Assange was going to be extradited to the USA and never see the light of day again. He has done humanity a great service, damaged the usa/west and was never getting a fair trial. Well said Doug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 If the allegations in Sweden were true then I feel very sorry for the women involved. He’s a weird, creepy guy and probably a total prick but it’s the right decision not to extradite him and it’s always important to shine a light on what governments are actually doing. They can’t use national security to hush up things they shouldn’t be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: If the allegations in Sweden were true then I feel very sorry for the women involved. He’s a weird, creepy guy and probably a total prick but it’s the right decision not to extradite him and it’s always important to shine a light on what governments are actually doing. They can’t use national security to hush up things they shouldn’t be doing. You and @WoolfordsHearts are right. He's a weird, creepy wrongun Reminds me of Christopher Jefferies : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Scary to think that some on here are likely to be on Jury Duty during their lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Probably not over. Maybe can appeal again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 It was always going to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Will be a great day for justice if he's sent to US for trial. Will be even better day if he's found guilty. If he is innocent, he has nothing to fear. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will be a great day for justice if he's sent to US for trial. Will be even better day if he's found guilty. If he is innocent, he has nothing to fear. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. For balanced justice an exchange with Anne Sacoolas (killed Harry Dunn)would be more appropriate. Has the USA ever extradited anyone. Answers on a postage stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will be a great day for justice if he's sent to US for trial. Will be even better day if he's found guilty. If he is innocent, he has nothing to fear. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Guilty of what ? 30 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: For balanced justice an exchange with Anne Sacoolas (killed Harry Dunn)would be more appropriate. Has the USA ever extradited anyone. Answers on a postage stamp. I think they've extradited 7 - but details hazy. Anne Sacoolas obvs not one of them 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, felix said: Guilty of what ? I think they've extradited 7 - but details hazy. Anne Sacoolas obvs not one of them 😔 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just to thrown out there The Fifth Estate with Benedict Cumberbatch is a very good film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Will be a great day for justice if he's sent to US for trial. Will be even better day if he's found guilty. Posted in all seriousness too. Sums you up 100%. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: For balanced justice an exchange with Anne Sacoolas (killed Harry Dunn)would be more appropriate. Has the USA ever extradited anyone. Answers on a postage stamp. I don't see them as tied. Yes, I believe she should stand trial in UK but just because she won't be, doesn't mean Assange shouldn't stand trial in US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, felix said: Guilty of what ? 😔 Computer Hacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Savage Vince said: Posted in all seriousness too. Sums you up 100%. 😁 Wouldn't shed 1 tear if he is extradited. Not one. He knew the risk of what he was doing and now wants to run away from consequences. Not a hero, a coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: I don't see them as tied. Yes, I believe she should stand trial in UK but just because she won't be, doesn't mean Assange shouldn't stand trial in US. Do you not slaver at the mouth thinking it would be a good day for justice if she stood trial, particularly if she was found guilty? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: Do you not slaver at the mouth thinking it would be a good day for justice if she stood trial, particularly if she was found guilty? 😁 Of course it would be a good thing if she stood trial. If she's guilty (and by God, I think she is 100% guilty), then she should pay penalty. Where have I said she shouldn't. This thread not about her though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: I don't see them as tied. Yes, I believe she should stand trial in UK but just because she won't be, doesn't mean Assange shouldn't stand trial in US. Unfortunately it always seems to be one way when the Yanks are involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Computer Hacking Despite the fact that the " biggest military computer hack of all time" by a UK citizen (Gary McKinnon) resulted in a blocked extradition by Theresa May ...Assange is really wanted for hacking !? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Unfortunately it always seems to be one way when the Yanks are involved. Tempting though it is, I don't believe we should act the same way as US. We would be no better than them should we do so. It's tough, and I get why people think opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Unfortunately it always seems to be one way when the Yanks are involved. Indeed. It's acceptable to morons though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: Indeed. It's acceptable to morons though. It's surely more moronic to act the same as US than apply case by case logic. Do you just refuse to extradite anyone to US, or just the high profile ones? Where do you draw line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: It's surely more moronic to act the same as US than apply case by case logic. Do you just refuse to extradite anyone to US, or just the high profile ones? Where do you draw line? I'm happy to give them Nonce Andrew. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: I'm happy to give them Nonce Andrew. 😊 They can both go on same flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: They can both go on same flight OK, I'm happy with this. I'm with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: For balanced justice an exchange with Anne Sacoolas (killed Harry Dunn)would be more appropriate. Has the USA ever extradited anyone. Answers on a postage stamp. But but but. The special relationship!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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