BigAlim Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Hopefully this will spur us on to look for left backs in the transfer window if we weren't already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: I am not sure what age you are mate but when I first got into football "burn out" was not even known about, it's now widely acknowledged that younger players need gradually brought in and well protected. I saw the complete opposite of that last season with young Harry. playing at hearts level is a cause for burn out in 16 year olds, playing at hearts level for real Madrid reserves isn't burn out ? by that reasoning nobody should be allowed to play for the top teams 1st teams because of the pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Artful Dodger said: I'm blaming the negativity on JKB for this one. Here here. Need to get ourselves sorted out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, BigAlim said: Hopefully this will spur us on to look for left backs in the transfer window if we weren't already We’ve already signed Aidy White. Presuming he will be competing with Garrucio and Hickey for 2019/20 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: We’ve already signed Aidy White. Presuming he will be competing with Garrucio and Hickey for 2019/20 season. I know but I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on him being our regular left back for half a season, I only say that because of how long he's been out of action, just don't want to get into a situation where our only option is Hickey for a long period of time just because I don't want to see the lad get hounded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Hickey any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Ikpeazu - during a game Berra - during a game Souttar - during a game Naismith x 2 - during a game Smith - during a game Mitchell - recurrance of an old injury Haring - hernia Dunne - injured in training Garuccio - injured in training Yeah...it's the training regime Beat me to it. Re Garrucio it’s a shame but not sure CL is his biggest fan TBH. Not like losing Naismith or Uche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: Hickey any good? Surely a better option playing an actual Left back, at Left back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, BigAlim said: I know but I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on him being our regular left back for half a season, I only say that because of how long he's been out of action, just don't want to get into a situation where our only option is Hickey for a long period of time just because I don't want to see the lad get hounded I’d be surprised if we added another left back with White, Hickey, Garrucio and Burns. Halkett could maybe provide cover as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voiceofreasonfortheseason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, reaths17 said: playing at hearts level is a cause for burn out in 16 year olds, playing at hearts level for real Madrid reserves isn't burn out ? by that reasoning nobody should be allowed to play for the top teams 1st teams because of the pressure. I am trying to move on from this as my point relates to more than Harry. Harry was played last season as a 16 year old whilst injured, Harry was also put continually in the firing line to the point the Brown's and McGinn's of the world seen him as a target. My point is it was bad management, he should have been drip fed into things. I said it at the time and nothing that has happened since has made me change that view. I am sorry folk don't like it but I dont really care tbh. This season I have seen further examples that make me question Levein in regards to injuries. I think anyone that can't see it is a bit daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Ikpeazu - during a game Berra - during a game Souttar - during a game Naismith x 2 - during a game Smith - during a game Mitchell - recurrance of an old injury Haring - hernia Dunne - injured in training Garuccio - injured in training Yeah...it's the training regime You just don't get it do you. It is the build up to these incidents that will be a huge factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 And yet we still are not allowed to question our 'bad luck'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voiceofreasonfortheseason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: You just don't get it do you. It is the build up to these incidents that will be a huge factor. Correct, this is what I am getting at mate but its hard on here. Get accused of believing in the flat earth etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: That's what you are being told, you have to look at the big picture and the out of date ideas of our management and coaches. Cochrane last season, Naismith, Berra and Morrison this season. Am I the only one that has real concerns over the way we treat players when they are injured or on the way back from injury. I have real and genuine concerns, folk need to look at the cold hard facts before saying "another poster blaming the training". Wake up guys sniff sniff... all smells a bit green here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin MacGlee Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I have been wondering for ages why we've been persisting with Berra when he's clearly not right. Why continue to play him when he's being ripped apart for pace every game. Is he not 100% fit and we're playing him regardless or is he just done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voiceofreasonfortheseason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said: sniff sniff... all smells a bit green here... Really? Explain your views please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: Correct, this is what I am getting at mate but its hard on here. Get accused of believing in the flat earth etc. The game is just where it comes to head. Our medical staff are so grossly incompetent it is criminal. We play players when they are not ready, we mis-diagnose and our training is sub standard. Everything is bad luck to most on here. We lose to a bunch of diddies and it was the ref, we lose an entire team in a season to long term injury and it is 'an unfortunate incident'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: The game is just where it comes to head. Our medical staff are so grossly incompetent it is criminal. We play players when they are not ready, we mis-diagnose and our training is sub standard. Everything is bad luck to most on here. We lose to a bunch of diddies and it was the ref, we lose an entire team in a season to long term injury and it is 'an unfortunate incident'. So what is the evidence of the causal relationship between our training techniques and players getting a variety of injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: The game is just where it comes to head. Our medical staff are so grossly incompetent it is criminal. We play players when they are not ready, we mis-diagnose and our training is sub standard. Everything is bad luck to most on here. We lose to a bunch of diddies and it was the ref, we lose an entire team in a season to long term injury and it is 'an unfortunate incident'. Take it you’ve got literally nothing else going on in your life so just post the same repetitive nonsense on here everyday? You’ve posted that same post almost verbatim after every single injury this season. Tedious as .... Also, as pointed out previously, it is potentially defamatory to accuse the medical staff of incompetence. Even if they were guilty of medical negligence it would be a civil action rather than a criminal offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Take it you’ve got literally nothing else going on in your life so just post the same repetitive nonsense on here everyday? You’ve posted that same post almost verbatim after every single injury this season. Tedious as .... Also, as pointed out previously, it is potentially defamatory to accuse the medical staff of incompetence. Even if they were guilty of medical negligence it would be a civil action rather than a criminal offence. I think the medical staff are not fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, i8hibsh said: I think the medical staff are not fit for purpose. Says the man who abhors trial by internet. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jamhammer said: Beat me to it. Re Garrucio it’s a shame but not sure CL is his biggest fan TBH. Not like losing Naismith or Uche Mmm, it is when Mitchell has gone and Smith is injured. We have little cover in this position now, or the right side either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I think the medical staff are not fit for purpose. I think the medical staff are fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: I think the medical staff are fit for purpose. How dare you disagree with our window cleaning numbskull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I think the medical staff are not fit for purpose. You had better get lawyer-ed up for the incoming lawsuit i8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I think the medical staff are not fit for purpose. Ben Garrucio twisted his knee in training and you think that is the fault of the medical staff? Why repeat the same post after every injury. To know the medical staff are not fit for purpose you presumably have a medical background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: our training is sub standard. Which similar resourced club do you consider to be 'of standard' and what are the main differences that you have identified in the training between them and us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: I don't want to argue or come across that I am, you can either see where I am coming from of you don't, there are plenty of Hearts fans that share my concerns. Shame for Ben and I wish him well. There may well be plenty of Hearts fans who share your concerns but there have been plenty of Hearts fans (on this thread) who have explained that almost 100% of our injuries have nothing to do with the training methods or the surface they are carried out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allystrachan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Anyone denying that training & strength isn’t related to injuries & injury prevention doesn’t know what they are talking about. Its a fact & the information is out there. Thats not to say it’s the coaches fault or the medical staffs fault. No one wants our players injured but it seems we have such a high amount of injuries that not enough is being done about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, allystrachan said: Anyone denying that training & strength isn’t related to injuries & injury prevention doesn’t know what they are talking about. Its a fact & the information is out there. Thats not to say it’s the coaches fault or the medical staffs fault. No one wants our players injured but it seems we have such a high amount of injuries that not enough is being done about it. Nonsense, it might be related to some types of injuries but you can't make a sweeping statement like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Hasn't really worked out for this guy ... late goals to lose games regularly and most of the squad having had serious injuries. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/big-interview-hearts-fitness-coach-planning-big-pre-season-1-4723073 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Can’t believe people are blaming the medical staff Jesus Christ ????, not got a clue about football man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, soonbe110 said: That sounds good. How many times have you watched him? Ive seen him play 8-10 times, it's slightly early for him at 1st team level but the same could be said for Gary Naismith all those years ago and look how that turned out. Players either sink or swim and I think he's going to be far better than any of our other left backs in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: I am not sure what age you are mate but when I first got into football "burn out" was not even known about, it's now widely acknowledged that younger players need gradually brought in and well protected. I saw the complete opposite of that last season with young Harry. So you're saying that Craig Levein has handled Cochrane well this season? He was played last season out of necessity. This season, is more in line with the way Levein wanted to develop him and introduce him to 1st team football. The boy has talent but his body is not yet ready for the rigors of the SPL as he is still developing physically and emotionally. He will come good, no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Ikpeazu - during a game Berra - during a game Souttar - during a game Naismith x 2 - during a game Smith - during a game Mitchell - recurrance of an old injury Haring - hernia Dunne - injured in training Garuccio - injured in training Yeah...it's the training regime Where they got injured is not relevant. Edited March 28, 2019 by McCrae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: And yet we still are not allowed to question our 'bad luck'. I think if you didn't ordinarily post such negative shite you may be afforded the opportunity to debate without being shot down. You take every opportunity to be negative so hold no credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, McCrae said: Where they got injured is not relevant. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Finlay James said: I think if you didn't ordinarily post such negative shite you may be afforded the opportunity to debate without being shot down. You take every opportunity to be negative so hold no credibility. I have almost nothing positive to say about this one time football club under Ann Budge. Breaks my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voiceofreasonfortheseason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Finlay James said: So you're saying that Craig Levein has handled Cochrane well this season? He was played last season out of necessity. This season, is more in line with the way Levein wanted to develop him and introduce him to 1st team football. The boy has talent but his body is not yet ready for the rigors of the SPL as he is still developing physically and emotionally. He will come good, no doubt about that. No I am saying that the problems were last season and as a result things have been a lot worse for him this season.I dont think any Hearts fan would say they have seen Harry to any real extent this season.I agree he has it all in front of him.Looking forward to him getting back involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: I have almost nothing positive to say about this one time football club under Ann Budge. Breaks my heart. go support another club then because our club has changed and won't be returning to the days of Romanov, Robinson etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin MacGlee Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Finlay James said: go support another club then because our club has changed and won't be returning to the days of Romanov, Robinson etc. Thank God for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I have almost nothing positive to say about this one time football club under Ann Budge. Breaks my heart. Pity you don't feel the same about Kickback then you could P*** and do us all a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: Well I am pointing the finger at the training regime, has to be something far wrong. FFS No there doesn't. 4 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: Jeezo, I fear for us if this is what we have coming in to LB next. Have you seen a lot of Burns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Why? Unless it’s a freak accident on the pitch an injury a player picks up during a game could easily be due to a problem with how they train. They could be over training and not giving themselves enough time to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxondale Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I’m not even surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voiceofreasonfortheseason Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said: No there doesn't. Have you seen a lot of Burns? Not really but he is clearly not a first team player yet, add to this the crucial games we have coming up and that's where I am at.Smith at LB might work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I have almost nothing positive to say about this one time football club under Ann Budge. Breaks my heart. Sorry to hear about your broken heart but, historically, who would you say has been a better owner of Hearts than Ann Budge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Marvin said: Wtf does he have the players doing in training? Wiping their balls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allystrachan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, graygo said: Nonsense, it might be related to some types of injuries but you can't make a sweeping statement like that. I’m not the one making the sweeping statement it’s the spots scientist throughout the world who have stated that. It is a fact. Whether or not that’s the reason we have so many injuries is a different argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Voiceofreasonfortheseason said: Really? Explain your views please? My view is.... ...yer in the wrong end of town ma lad The number 1 bus goes to Leith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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