Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Election results are in and they're for once quite encouraging. Absolutely thumping win for Mamdani in NYC, a rebuke of Schumer (who never endorsed him), getting over 50% in a three-way race where he was seen as a distant outsider at the start. Sherril and Spanberger both won by huge margins in New Jersey and Virginia, respectively. Critical Pennsylvania court race was won by the liberal incumbants with over 63%, an almost unheard of landslide where the court was quite conservative until very recently. I really want to see what happens in the Virginia legislature. A shift of several seats in both houses towards the Democrats (which would inherently mean Trump-voting districts went Democratic) would be the strongest signal yet of deep anger at Republicans showing up at the ballot box not just in phone polls.
XB52 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Great to see Mamdani win, if only to get it right up the orange nutter
Gundermann Posted November 5 Posted November 5 A democratic socialist wins in the US. Shortly after the farright gets dumped in the Netherlands and Ireland votes in a socialist president.
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 4 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Election results are in and they're for once quite encouraging. Absolutely thumping win for Mamdani in NYC, a rebuke of Schumer (who never endorsed him), getting over 50% in a three-way race where he was seen as a distant outsider at the start. Sherril and Spanberger both won by huge margins in New Jersey and Virginia, respectively. Critical Pennsylvania court race was won by the liberal incumbants with over 63%, an almost unheard of landslide where the court was quite conservative until very recently. I really want to see what happens in the Virginia legislature. A shift of several seats in both houses towards the Democrats (which would inherently mean Trump-voting districts went Democratic) would be the strongest signal yet of deep anger at Republicans showing up at the ballot box not just in phone polls.
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 4 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Election results are in and they're for once quite encouraging. Absolutely thumping win for Mamdani in NYC, a rebuke of Schumer (who never endorsed him), getting over 50% in a three-way race where he was seen as a distant outsider at the start. Sherril and Spanberger both won by huge margins in New Jersey and Virginia, respectively. Critical Pennsylvania court race was won by the liberal incumbants with over 63%, an almost unheard of landslide where the court was quite conservative until very recently. I really want to see what happens in the Virginia legislature. A shift of several seats in both houses towards the Democrats (which would inherently mean Trump-voting districts went Democratic) would be the strongest signal yet of deep anger at Republicans showing up at the ballot box not just in phone polls.
Dennis Denuto Posted November 5 Posted November 5 I find it interesting that elections a fair and honest when Trump’s guys win but are corrupt and fired when they lose. It is lovely to see resists moving away from the extreme right back to the centre.
Gundermann Posted November 5 Posted November 5 1 hour ago, El Prez said: Great news. What next for DJT though? An American Dachau opening in the New Year?
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 4 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Great news. What next for DJT though? An American Dachau opening in the New Year? "BREAKING: Stephen Miller responds to Mamdani’s win by THREATENING TO DEPORT CHILDREN and tear families apart! Minutes after the New York City mayoral race was called, Trump’s psychotic and sadistic deportation czar took to Twitter and simply posted a screen shot from NYC’s government website that read: “Almost 50 percent of New Yorkers live in family households with at least one immigrant. Over one million children, equaling 62 percent of all children in New York City, live in a household with at least one foreign-born family member. Of the one million New Yorkers who live in mixed-status households, 265,500 or 27 percent are children. 80 percent of these children, are U.S.-born citizens. Mixed status households demonstrate that all New Yorkers are impacted by federal policies that separate families.” The implication is obvious. Miller is vowing to punish the people of New York City for voting for a pro-immigration Muslim by deploying the instruments of state violence to tear families apart, deport children, crack more skulls and throw more people into their inhumane gulag camps to be abused, raped, and treated like animals by his ICE goons. It’s a blood-chilling and absolutely monstrous way to react to an election loss. For all his incessant whining about the imaginary violence of the left, he is the pathetic and insecure slug who immediately wants to inflict violence and terror on innocent people because the sexual predator he backed didn’t win an election. A black-hearted man who only lives to revel in cruelty." This. Deputy Chief of Policy & Homeland Security Advisor, has spoken for the President. Interesting few days ahead.
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Russell Vought. Remember these two. They'll be important figures in political & criminal cases, very soon. Whatever Trump does; it comes at these two men's advice. Or Project 2025, to be precise.
il Duce McTarkin Posted November 5 Posted November 5 13 minutes ago, El Prez said: Stephen Miller Well at least he doesn't look like a Nazi henchman.
Cade Posted November 5 Posted November 5 won't take this defeat in his home town lightly. He'll be sending in the troops, trying to find legal ways to prevent Mamdani from being sworn in or find some way to have him deported/otherwise disappeared. Most encouraging thing was that this election had the highest turnout since the 1960s. People are waking up and taking action at the ballot box. A good night for the Democrats (and democracy itself)
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 35 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Well at least he doesn't look like a Nazi henchman. "Miller's family is of Eastern European Jewish descent through his mother and father, who were grandchildren of Jews who escaped the Russian pogroms and the Holocaust. His maternal great-great-grandfather, Wolf Glosser, born in Antopal, Belarus, immigrated to the United States in 1903 and with his son founded Glosser Brothers in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.". Which is ironic; as his beliefs are about as far-right now as political decorum allows under normal circumstances. A smart, very cruel, man. Along with Vought. People give Trump far too much credit. The whispers arrive from their mouths & JD Vance's. Trump really can't grasp it all. The who & the why. Just the when. If they escape prosecution in time(which I'm inclined to think). Then look to Argentina or Qatar. Don't think they'd be too far from a pool in either of those countries.
il Duce McTarkin Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 minutes ago, El Prez said: If they escape prosecution in time(which I'm inclined to think). Then look to Argentina or Qatar. Don't think they'd be too far from a pool in either of those countries. I'll keep an eye out for him.
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 4 minutes ago, Cade said: won't take this defeat in his home town lightly. He'll be sending in the troops, trying to find legal ways to prevent Mamdani from being sworn in or find some way to have him deported/otherwise disappeared. Most encouraging thing was that this election had the highest turnout since the 1960s. People are waking up and taking action at the ballot box. A good night for the Democrats (and democracy itself) Andy Ogles,a Senator from...*checks notes*...yes...Tennessee, has already been on the case. Citing the 14th Amendment. People had news for the (dis)Honourable representative from Tennessee. But, it'll continue unabated regardless. Miller will see to that.
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I'll keep an eye out for him. 🙂
The Real Maroonblood Posted November 5 Posted November 5 4 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Muslim mayor of New York? Trump will be apoplectic.
Trajan Posted November 5 Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Ray Gin said: Muslim mayor of New York? Trump will be apoplectic. On the day it's announced that Dick Cheney kicks the bucket. Couldn't have scripted that any better!
Lone Striker Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 hours ago, El Prez said: "Miller's family is of Eastern European Jewish descent through his mother and father, who were grandchildren of Jews who escaped the Russian pogroms and the Holocaust. His maternal great-great-grandfather, Wolf Glosser, born in Antopal, Belarus, immigrated to the United States in 1903 and with his son founded Glosser Brothers in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.". Which is ironic; as his beliefs are about as far-right now as political decorum allows under normal circumstances. A smart, very cruel, man. Along with Vought. People give Trump far too much credit. The whispers arrive from their mouths & JD Vance's. Trump really can't grasp it all. The who & the why. Just the when. If they escape prosecution in time(which I'm inclined to think). Then look to Argentina or Qatar. Don't think they'd be too far from a pool in either of those countries. Oh, its standard practice for these 1st or 2nd gen descendants of immigrants once they get hold of power. Trump himself (2nd gen descended from a German immigrant & 1st gen descended from a Scottish immigrant). Its bewildering that the likes of Clarence Thomas and Kash Patel seem happy to worship at the alter of Trump's white supremacy fascism.
Lone Striker Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 hours ago, El Prez said: "Miller's family is of Eastern European Jewish descent through his mother and father, who were grandchildren of Jews who escaped the Russian pogroms and the Holocaust. His maternal great-great-grandfather, Wolf Glosser, born in Antopal, Belarus, immigrated to the United States in 1903 and with his son founded Glosser Brothers in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.". Which is ironic; as his beliefs are about as far-right now as political decorum allows under normal circumstances. A smart, very cruel, man. Along with Vought. People give Trump far too much credit. The whispers arrive from their mouths & JD Vance's. Trump really can't grasp it all. The who & the why. Just the when. If they escape prosecution in time(which I'm inclined to think). Then look to Argentina or Qatar. Don't think they'd be too far from a pool in either of those countries. The bizarre American pronunciation of Qatar as "Cutter"....
il Duce McTarkin Posted November 5 Posted November 5 27 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: The bizarre American pronunciation of Qatar as "Cutter".... It's how a lot of folk pronounce it here.
Maple Leaf Posted November 5 Posted November 5 6 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: You get them told Karoline Someone needs to remind that hypocrite, with the Christian symbol around her neck, of the Ninth Commandment.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 5 Posted November 5 6 hours ago, El Prez said: VA legislative results are in and they are astounding. I was pretty sure Spanberger was going to win (for the worst reasons, unfortunately, her opponent was a Black woman and racism in Virginia, like most of the US, is still very real and active.) In the legislature, though, I was expecting but not at all certain of the Dems keeping control. I was expecting a small gain of like 3-4 seats. I was very fearful of a loss. I was hopeful for a moderately larger gain, maybe as many as 7-8. Currently the Dems are on track to pick up 13 or 14 seats, depending on whom you ask. The VA GOP, just four years ago supposedly the model of taking Trumpism without Trump local, just got annihilated at the state level. Over to outgoing VA Governor Glen Younkin (R) who's clearly in touch with reality. Good data blog here: Jamelle Bouie (a native and proud Virginian) on last night: (the gift link is actually in the next post if you want to read the full article)
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: VA legislative results are in and they are astounding. I was pretty sure Spanberger was going to win (for the worst reasons, unfortunately, her opponent was a Black woman and racism in Virginia, like most of the US, is still very real and active.) In the legislature, though, I was expecting but not at all certain of the Dems keeping control. I was expecting a small gain of like 3-4 seats. I was very fearful of a loss. I was hopeful for a moderately larger gain, maybe as many as 7-8. Currently the Dems are on track to pick up 13 or 14 seats, depending on whom you ask. The VA GOP, just four years ago supposedly the model of taking Trumpism without Trump local, just got annihilated at the state level. Over to outgoing VA Governor Glen Younkin (R) who's clearly in touch with reality. Good data blog here: Jamelle Bouie (a native and proud Virginian) on last night: (the gift link is actually in the next post if you want to read the full article) Republicans in Blue states get hurt by Trump's administration. Quite a lot are realising it now. From over racism, bordering on naked fascism. To the thing that gets everyone's attention, in every country around the world. Money. If you're getting poorer & things you are reliant on are being stopped/taken away, thus making you poorer still, then eventually the gaslight goes out. The 18-29yr old male demographic ran for the hills last night, across every state that voted. That's what Charlie Kirk was hired to do. To engage those. Even they can see the writing on the wall. The push now, is to engage these people & others, who sat out Harris' "effort" & deliver an unequivocal turnout response. Then, the next thing is for the Democrats to find a candidate(with an eye on the Presidential's) that will appeal to socialists,liberals & a fair size of Republicans too. Some common ground & political decency needs to come out. The rhetoric will be important for November '26. Edited November 5 by El Prez
El Prez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Like I was saying above; Mamdani's use of social media, and going out & meeting their younger crowd, of all ethnic backgrounds & genders, has played its role. Kirk's role was similar. But it was never aimed at gay people, or Hispanics, or Liberals. This will be a theme, I think, going forwards into the mids. And if it's not...it should. Democrats need to learn. Fast. Pity about that democracy thing though. Who knew people still value such things(?)
kila Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: It's how a lot of folk pronounce it here. But are those locals or American expats?
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 5 Posted November 5 31 minutes ago, El Prez said: Republicans in Blue states get hurt by Trump's administration. Quite a lot are realising it now. From over racism, bordering on naked fascism. To the thing that gets everyone's attention, in every country around the world. Money. If you're getting poorer & things you are reliant on are being stopped/taken away, thus making you poorer still, then eventually the gaslight goes out. The 18-29yr old male demographic ran for the hills last night, across every state that voted. That's what Charlie Kirk was hired to do. To engage those. Even they can see the writing on the wall. The push now, is to engage these people & others, who sat out Harris' "effort" & deliver an unequivocal turnout response. Then, the next thing is for the Democrats to find a candidate(with an eye on the Presidential's) that will appeal to socialists,liberals & a fair size of Republicans too. Some common ground & political decency needs to come out. The rhetoric will be important for November '26. Fortunately there's no need for a single candidate before 2026, as much as the pundits want to play Newsom-or-Pritzker games. (And I don't think either one will end up being the 2028 Presidential nominee, but anyway.) The economy is very likely to get worse over the next year, the question is whether it will be moderately worse or severely worse. The game plan that the Democrats won with last night should be run straight out again for the midterms. I should mention that the other big losers last night, ironically (but delightfully), were the ossified DC Democratic leadership which among other things publicly waffled on Mamdani and privately tried to undermine him. The state parties went for a much more aggressive and uncompromising posture across the board, against the advice of the DC-based consultocracy and pundit class, and won big. Among other things, the stage is set very well for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or someone else allied with her and Mamdani to take on Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer in the NY Senate primary.
il Duce McTarkin Posted November 5 Posted November 5 24 minutes ago, kila said: But are those locals or American expats? Locals and expats
Footballfirst Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) I've been keeping an eye on commentators reports on the Supreme Court today, where they are hearing submissions of the legality or otherwise of Trump's tariffs. What I've read so far is that Trump's lawyers are getting a hard time, although I suspect that at least three of Trump's sycophants, among the justices, will rule in Trump's favour. Edited November 5 by Footballfirst
JFK-1 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 “We're in a hell of a lot of trouble. Us, America, but the world is in a lot of trouble because the most powerful man in the world is both evil and demented.” Psychologist Dr John Gartner lays out the signs and symptoms he sees of “dementia and malignant narcissism” in Donald Trump, and explains why he thinks the president won’t make it to the end of his term “compos mentis”. Dr John Gartner is founder of Duty To Warn and former assistant professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University Medical School.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) Meanwhile, Trump is busy doing the people’s work of sending an unidentified masked man to abduct daycare teachers. Edited November 5 by Watt-Zeefuik
redtipsjambo Posted November 5 Posted November 5 A question I’ve been wondering about, can Trump pardon everyone ( and himself) who has broken the law for him, lied for him, Bondi, Hesketh, all of Ice, etc, before he leaves office( presuming he does) , is that why they don’t care if they are caught lying or breaking the law cos they know there will be no repercussions for them.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 6 Posted November 6 13 hours ago, redtipsjambo said: A question I’ve been wondering about, can Trump pardon everyone ( and himself) who has broken the law for him, lied for him, Bondi, Hesketh, all of Ice, etc, before he leaves office( presuming he does) , is that why they don’t care if they are caught lying or breaking the law cos they know there will be no repercussions for them. It's assumed he can't pardon himself but it's never been tested in case law. Preemptive power is real and has been used before. But he would have to name every person specifically. He could do that, of course, but it's a lot. His pardon power is only for federal crimes, though. State-level crimes and civil cases would still be possible.
Watt-Zeefuik Posted November 6 Posted November 6 October layoffs at their highest level in 20 years. https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/layoffs-us-october-surge-two-decade-high-challenger-data-shows-2025-11-06/
El Prez Posted November 6 Posted November 6 29 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: It's assumed he can't pardon himself but it's never been tested in case law. Preemptive power is real and has been used before. But he would have to name every person specifically. He could do that, of course, but it's a lot. His pardon power is only for federal crimes, though. State-level crimes and civil cases would still be possible. If the appropriate adults ever get back into positions of authority, then the simple answer may just be don't file charges. Until after January 6th. However unpalatable that may be to a large swathe of voters. Miller & some others might just take the night flight to a non-extradition country. Tbqh, I think most expect that. Your Pam Bondi's & Kash Patel's...probably not so much. Play it smart enough; ride the public anger to bring (some of) them to Congress hearings, Court or prison itself...then hit them when they think they're "safe". Because a lot of them will think: "I was only following orders. It's not like The Final Solution, or anything." Because they believe they're untouchable, it'll work against them. People honestly need to give up the ghost on ever bringing Trump to book. Isn't going to happen. The US has to find a way to return to a democratic civility, but with appropriate accountability, without keeping the public temperature at Defcon 2. Easy to write, I know. But endlessly seeking political & private prosecution is never going to break the cycle that started with 45. And it needs to be broken.
Gundermann Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: October layoffs at their highest level in 20 years. https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/layoffs-us-october-surge-two-decade-high-challenger-data-shows-2025-11-06/ Planes getting grounded. Good for the environment, good for safety but not so good for the economy? US increasingly becoming a failed state.
sadj Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Kim Davis’s challenge to overturn the same sex marriage laws will be heard tomorrow by the Supreme to see if the challenge will be allowed.
Canscot Posted November 6 Posted November 6 17 hours ago, redtipsjambo said: A question I’ve been wondering about, can Trump pardon everyone ( and himself) who has broken the law for him, lied for him, Bondi, Hesketh, all of Ice, etc, before he leaves office( presuming he does) , is that why they don’t care if they are caught lying or breaking the law cos they know there will be no repercussions for them. No need to pardon himself. He is exempt from prosecution for anything he does while in office. Remember he got the supreme court to pass this law a couple of years ago.
Cade Posted November 6 Posted November 6 US Servicemen on US bases in Germany are being told to visit local foodbanks for food, because the shutdown means no food for them.
Cade Posted November 6 Posted November 6 41 minutes ago, Canscot said: No need to pardon himself. He is exempt from prosecution for anything he does while in office. Remember he got the supreme court to pass this law a couple of years ago. That's what he thinks. The SC said that a President is immune from prosecution for acts done in the performance of the job. If King Donald is committing acts beyond the reach of President, such as illegal acts, then he's not immune.
Canscot Posted November 6 Posted November 6 34 minutes ago, Cade said: That's what he thinks. The SC said that a President is immune from prosecution for acts done in the performance of the job. If King Donald is committing acts beyond the reach of President, such as illegal acts, then he's not immune. He will argue the everything he has done IS in the performance of his job. He will tie them up in knots again. By the time they get him into court he will either be dead or mentally incapacitated. Some would ague that he is already the latter of those two.
Lone Striker Posted November 6 Posted November 6 The big lesson from Tuesday confirms that "normal" free & fair democratic elections are a danger to the success of Project 2025. The architects of it are already devising schemes to disenfranchise citizens in various counties who flag up as likely to vote Dem . So far, democracy defender groups are successfully challenging some schemes in court. With only a year until the mid-term House elections, they run the risk of losing control of it unless they can stop folk from voting Dem. Expect the attempts to change voter rules to increase as 2026 gets closer. Marc Elias is a leading light in the defence of voting rights - he explains some of their schemes here.
Cade Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Old dude collapses in the Oval Office. RFK Jnr leaves the room. Dementia Donny goes into a holding pattern.
Canscot Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Cade said: Old dude collapses in the Oval Office. RFK Jnr leaves the room. Dementia Donny goes into a holding pattern. Donnie looks like someone just hit the “Off” switch😂
Jacques de Gauthier Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 hours ago, Cade said: Old dude collapses in the Oval Office. RFK Jnr leaves the room. Dementia Donny goes into a holding pattern. They trying to shake the guy’s pockets to look for loose change?
Footballfirst Posted November 6 Posted November 6 TBF Trump did look at the guy who collapsed for a few seconds before standing to attention.
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