J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Mate, that was fantastic. Keep it up. Wish it weren't thus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: Wish it weren't thus. We all do. #JTF4Prez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 t think even if I were a Trumpet I would be at least semi tempted to vote against him just to see the aftermath. If he loses does anyone doubt we're going to see the most spectacular implosion of an administration and in fact a party in any major Western democracy in modern times? At the conclusion of the Mueller report Mueller hinted that there was loads more he had discovered but decided it wasn't part of his remit so didn't include it. He also hinted that there were criminal elements he didn't include because in his view couldn't be pressed against a sitting president. Vaguely suggesting that it should be saved till a later date. Does anyone here doubt there's so much more to be revealed than that we already know? Which in itself is considerable, and is still just the tip of the iceberg regarding the corruption and ineptitude of this entire family and entire administration? Does anyone doubt that if/when he loses this election there are going to be criminal charges flying around in blizzards? And does anyone doubt that when the rotten ship Trump sinks below the waves that the rats washed up on shore wont be competing with each other to make a deal? A reveal all deal to avoid jail time? Trump may very well spend the rest of his rotten life mired in one court case after another. And in my view at least may very well be exposed as a full blown traitor for money. He hasn't been making America great again. He has been making Russia and Trump great again. Just get rid of him and it will all come out as those rats rush for deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 And in case anyone had any doubts about the continuing preference of Putin and his readiness to achieve his preferences. And need we point out the obvious? Is anyone so retarded as to think Putin wants Trump in office because he's deeply concerned about the damage Biden may do to the US? Facebook takes down Russian operation that recruited U.S. journalists, amid rising concerns about election misinformation Quote Facebook removed a network of fake accounts and pages created by Russian operatives who had recruited U.S. journalists to write articles critical of Democratic nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala D. Harris, in an apparent bid to undermine their support among liberal voters. Facebook said it caught the network of 13 fake accounts and two pages early, before it had a chance to build a large audience — an action that the company said was evidence of its growing effectiveness at targeting foreign disinformation operations ahead of the 2020 election. The takedown emerged as a result of a tip from the FBI and was one of a dozen operations tied to the Russian Internet Research Agency or individuals affiliated with it that Facebook has disrupted since the last presidential election, when IRA-backed pages amassed millions of views on the platform. The pages had about 14,000 followers. “They’ve gotten better at hiding who they are, but their impact has gotten smaller and smaller,” Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of security policy, said of the foreign operations. Facebook said Tuesday it separately took down a disinformation network associated with a Washington-based public relations firm that Facebook said had spent millions of dollars to target users in Latin America. Content included posts supporting the political opposition in Venezuela and Bolivia’s interim government, as well as criticism of the Mexican president’s political party, Facebook said. n the case of the Russian disinformation network, Facebook said the operatives created fictitious personas on Facebook to direct people to a new site called Peace Data, which billed itself as a “global news organization” whose goal was “to shed light on the global issues and raise awareness about corruption, environmental crisis, abuse of power, armed conflicts, activism, and human rights.” One article posted on Facebook about the far-right “boogaloo” movement featured a headline that read, “USA Far Right is Growing Thanks to President Trump,” according to a report provided by Facebook. A report Tuesday by Graphika, a network analysis firm based in New York that received the Facebook data in advance, found that the Russian effort was small but echoed past efforts to undermine support for Democratic Party candidates by appealing to left-wing U.S. voters. Among the targets were Biden and Harris (D-Calif.), who were criticized by the phony network as immoral tools of political conservatives. Some posts also criticized Trump, but the target audience in the United States was democratic socialists, environmentalists and disaffected Democrats, the report found. Some of the fake content focused on racial justice and unrest in the United States since the killing of George Floyd in May. “The English-language content on Biden and Harris was noteworthy for its hostile tone,” according to the Graphika report. “One article by a guest writer accused the pair of ‘submission to right-wing populism […] as much about preserving careers as it is winning votes.’” “The operation seemed designed to divide Democratic supporters and to depress support for Biden and Harris,” said Camille François, chief innovation officer for Graphika. In 2016, Russian operatives from the Internet Research Agency ran widespread disinformation campaigns on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, garnering huge audiences with content that attempted to sow division among U.S. voters and bolster Trump’s campaign for president. The technology platforms faced significant blowback from Congress and the public for failing to prevent foreign interference and since then have invested resources in countering such activity. As the 2020 election draws near, experts say technology companies have become more skillful at getting ahead of foreign interference, even as the threat has broadened beyond Russia to countries such as China and Iran. But social media platforms are still rife with misinformation and abuse, often emerging from domestic actors that have caused false stories about current events to go viral. Facebook said it plans to inform 200 or so journalists who were recruited by the Russian operatives. One of the journalists who wrote columns for Peace Data, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his career, said that an editor reached out to him through a direct message on Twitter in July offering $200 per article. He said he pursued the opportunity in part because he had lost his job in the pandemic. He wrote articles about the conspiracy-theory movement QAnon, the coronavirus, and U.S. militarism’s role in climate change. The journalist, who said he considers himself a socialist, said he had not been informed by Facebook and had no idea that the website, while appearing disorganized, was run by a Russian group. The co-option of unwitting locals is part of a growing strategy used by foreign disinformation operatives. “Hiring people who are fluent in the language and culture avoids the kind of tells that can expose an operation,” said Renée DiResta, technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory, which has tracked the strategy. Most of the content for Peace Data was in English, with 500 articles overall. About 5 percent were explicitly aimed at the U.S. election and candidates. There were also 200 articles in Arabic, Graphika found. Disinformation researchers do not consider the Internet Research Agency, the St. Petersburg-based operation indicted by U.S. officials for interfering in the 2016 presidential election, as still functioning in the same way it did years ago. Researchers instead see numerous operations by Russian people and groups that appear to have some previous affiliation with the IRA, using an updated playbook that typically involves more targeted — but less viral — efforts to affect political debates and elections. Avoiding detection is a key goal of these operations, experts say. Facebook and Twitter, for example, took action against a Russian-linked operation in March that worked with a nonprofit group in Ghana and sought to influence Black voters in the United States with targeted messages. The IRA in 2016, by contrast, pushed viral messaging on social media platforms designed to reach large numbers of voters based on political interests and affiliations. The Russian operations in 2016 paid for ads aimed at U.S. voters using rubles, the Russian currency, signaling a lack of concern regarding detection. The public relations firm involved in the other takedown was CLS Strategies, Facebook said. Headquartered a few blocks from the White House, CLS previously advised foreign clients that used Facebook, according to news reports and its own website. A CLS Strategies partner, Juan Cortiñas, said in a statement, “CLS has a long tradition of doing international work, including on social media, to promote free and open elections and to oppose oppressive regimes, and we take seriously our commitment to adhering to the fast-evolving policies of Facebook and other social media platforms.” Cortiñas declined to address additional questions about the nature of the firm’s involvement. Facebook’s Gleicher said the effort linked to CLS involved 55 Facebook accounts, 42 Facebook pages and 36 accounts on the company’s photo-sharing subsidiary Instagram, targeting audiences in Venezuela, Mexico and Bolivia. Together these online information operations reached more than 550,000 users on the two social media sites and also involved $3.6 million in advertising. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/01/facebook-disinformation-takedown/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Justin Z said: We all do. #JTF4Prez Are you a Russian agent? 😉 https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/181731-donald-trump/&do=findComment&comment=8060541 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Internet Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Some time to be alive like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 13 hours ago, jack D and coke said: No it’s not but by the same token what the actual **** were labour playing at with Corbyn? These really should be the easiest elections ever for any sane person yet they put up these cretins? What are they doing? Feck knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Some time to be alive like. As any opportunist rioter knows, half bricks are the real weapon of choice. Pr for coin throwers 50 pence pieces. Just enough weight to get distance, points and cheaper by effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: As any opportunist rioter knows, half bricks are the real weapon of choice. Pr for coin throwers 50 pence pieces. Just enough weight to get distance, points and cheaper by effect. I thought hauf bricks were what crap tradesmen had used to float their rendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Some time to be alive like. It doesn't take any normal person more than 1 minute after hearing Trump speak, to realise he is genuinely a ****ing moron. He can barely read, which I'm guessing is why he goes off on long winded tangents and rants. Other world leaders must be both cringing and laughing with having to deal with him. **** America. If Trump wins again, America is gonna burn and one of the other Trumps will be running for president in 4 years. Guaranteed! If he doesn't win this year, America is gonna burn even more as he/they have been poking the hornets nest for years. The US needs a hard reset. **** them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Some time to be alive like. Wish I had seen this last night. Went into Aldi and there was an old dear, about 80 odd, buying 8 tins of soup. I thought it was because of price but I now realise she was planning to throw them at police and authorities. It's always the old grannies who you don't suspect that are causing bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 hours ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: That kind of wealth, along with its influence, has always peed me off but long ago I realised it really doesn't matter a toss what my thoughts are on that, or anything else, for that matter. Not the most positive of philosophic outlooks but we'll all be "poated" in next to no time and I doubt oblivion makes allowances for remembrances of wealth or influence while we were kicking around on this wee speck of dust. They can write as many glowing obituaries, erect as many statues (that one has always given me a laugh) as "they" like, but once you're fini ........ HTF did I get onto this? Quit while I'm behind. "The boast of heraldry The pomp of power And all that beauty and all that wealth ever gave Await alike the inevitable hour, The paths of glory lead but to the grave." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidelight Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: "The boast of heraldry The pomp of power And all that beauty and all that wealth ever gave Await alike the inevitable hour, The paths of glory lead but to the grave." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Lovecraft said: It doesn't take any normal person more than 1 minute after hearing Trump speak, to realise he is genuinely a ****ing moron. He can barely read, which I'm guessing is why he goes off on long winded tangents and rants. Other world leaders must be both cringing and laughing with having to deal with him. **** America. If Trump wins again, America is gonna burn and one of the other Trumps will be running for president in 4 years. Guaranteed! If he doesn't win this year, America is gonna burn even more as he/they have been poking the hornets nest for years. The US needs a hard reset. **** them! In the meantime, the percentage of people who approve of the job Trump is doing has gone from 40% to 43% in the last 60 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Lovecraft said: It doesn't take any normal person more than 1 minute after hearing Trump speak, to realise he is genuinely a ****ing moron. He can barely read, which I'm guessing is why he goes off on long winded tangents and rants. Other world leaders must be both cringing and laughing with having to deal with him. **** America. If Trump wins again, America is gonna burn and one of the other Trumps will be running for president in 4 years. Guaranteed! If he doesn't win this year, America is gonna burn even more as he/they have been poking the hornets nest for years. The US needs a hard reset. **** them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: In the meantime, the percentage of people who approve of the job Trump is doing has gone from 40% to 43% in the last 60 days. Truly scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, alfajambo said: @alfajamboBased on the demographics of the USA, I would say that most of the police are Christians, most of the victims of police violence are Christians, most of the protesters are Christians, and most of the rioters are Christians. Given that, expecting prayers to be part of the solution seems a tad pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Why am I not shocked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, kingsknowe_jambo said: Why am I not shocked Imagine North Korea, Russia or Iran found the vaccine...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 hours ago, JFK-1 said: Are you a Russian agent? 😉 Nostrovia, Comrade! 🍻 In seriousness, the Russian stuff is wearing thin for me for two main reasons: - The US has interfered in other countries' elections for basically its entire existence, when it wasn't busy orchestrating coups against democratically elected leaders to install sympathetic dictators. Karma doesn't exist, but if it did . . . - Russian propagandising or not, legitimate criticisms are legitimate criticisms, and "BUT RUSSIA" gets used to shout legitimate criticisms down quite a bit. It has also caused Democrats to be even less introspective than normal about why they lost in 2016, given that there is a xenophobia-fuelled boogeyman to blame instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Nostrovia, Comrade! 🍻 In seriousness, the Russian stuff is wearing thin for me for two main reasons: - The US has interfered in other countries' elections for basically its entire existence, when it wasn't busy orchestrating coups against democratically elected leaders to install sympathetic dictators. Karma doesn't exist, but if it did . . . - Russian propagandising or not, legitimate criticisms are legitimate criticisms, and "BUT RUSSIA" gets used to shout legitimate criticisms down quite a bit. It has also caused Democrats to be even less introspective than normal about why they lost in 2016, given that there is a xenophobia-fuelled boogeyman to blame instead. So first you're slagging off the Democrats and the advisability of voting for Joe Biden, and now you're taking the heat off Russia. I'm starting to have my doubts about you, young Justin. Did they catch you in a golden showers-type honeytrap too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Justin Z said: Nostrovia, Comrade! 🍻 In seriousness, the Russian stuff is wearing thin for me for two main reasons: - The US has interfered in other countries' elections for basically its entire existence, when it wasn't busy orchestrating coups against democratically elected leaders to install sympathetic dictators. Karma doesn't exist, but if it did . . . - Russian propagandising or not, legitimate criticisms are legitimate criticisms, and "BUT RUSSIA" gets used to shout legitimate criticisms down quite a bit. It has also caused Democrats to be even less introspective than normal about why they lost in 2016, given that there is a xenophobia-fuelled boogeyman to blame instead. I think it's impossible for what's going on with Russia thing to wear thin. In that respect it doesn't get much worse than a top level hostile power who could very feasibly have compromised this complete idiot to be attempting to elect him then re-elect him. It's beyond dangerous. It's an existential threat. Everything Trump has ever done when it comes to Russia/Putin suggests he is compromised. A knowing Manchurian candidate. Is that certain? No, but as I said, he has done more than enough to suggest it's a real possibility. The real hypocrisy lies in the fact that the Republicans and Fox news would have been going insane and for once rightly so if this had been Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 57 minutes ago, redjambo said: So first you're slagging off the Democrats and the advisability of voting for Joe Biden, and now you're taking the heat off Russia. I'm starting to have my doubts about you, young Justin. Did they catch you in a golden showers-type honeytrap too? Haha damn, I shouldn't have been so obvious. Being a newbie double agent is hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: I think it's impossible for what's going on with Russia thing to wear thin. In that respect it doesn't get much worse than a top level hostile power who could very feasibly have compromised this complete idiot to be attempting to elect him then re-elect him. It's beyond dangerous. It's an existential threat. Everything Trump has ever done when it comes to Russia/Putin suggests he is compromised. A knowing Manchurian candidate. Is that certain? No, but as I said, he has done more than enough to suggest it's a real possibility. The real hypocrisy lies in the fact that the Republicans and Fox news would have been going insane and for once rightly so if this had been Obama. I agree with all of that, and yet the simple solution to putting an end to it would be to run a viable candidate who consistently attacks Trump for what he is, in order to win the election. Digging deeper, I think it's important to think about why the Dems have refused to do that, time and again. Digging even deeper, assuming all of what you said is true, and that he is compromised, we should ask why Dems keep rubber stamping things for him, passing his most recent budget and defense bills amidst the impeachment without any sort of noise at all as one example. To me there are only two explanations: One is that we keep reading about interference because it's establishment xenophobic nonsense meant to muddy the waters and deflect blame for bad politicking. The second is that the interference is real but hardly stops at Trump, since his supposed mortal enemies are all too happy to keep passing legislation that benefits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Regarding my repeated complaints of Trump outmanoeuvring Democrats from the left? Right on cue . . . If you were wondering how fascists rise, this is it. The most basic of populist crumbs that a weak opposition fails to provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, Justin Z said: I agree with all of that, and yet the simple solution to putting an end to it would be to run a viable candidate who consistently attacks Trump for what he is, in order to win the election. Digging deeper, I think it's important to think about why the Dems have refused to do that, time and again. Digging even deeper, assuming all of what you said is true, and that he is compromised, we should ask why Dems keep rubber stamping things for him, passing his most recent budget and defense bills amidst the impeachment without any sort of noise at all as one example. To me there are only two explanations: One is that we keep reading about interference because it's establishment xenophobic nonsense meant to muddy the waters and deflect blame for bad politicking. The second is that the interference is real but hardly stops at Trump, since his supposed mortal enemies are all too happy to keep passing legislation that benefits him. Quote The House on Tuesday approved a $1.4 trillion spending package that would stave off a looming shutdown and fund the federal government through September, acting in a burst of bipartisanship just a day before Democrats plan to impeach President Trump. I don't see an issue with that. Are you suggesting the Democrats should bring the country to a grinding halt just to spite Trump? To the detriment of the nation? that would be good politics?. Quote The legislation raises the tobacco purchase age, secures miner pensions and repeals health taxes. They should block any of that just because it's Trump? It all looks positive to me. Not something a truly conscientious party should be blocking simply because it's Trump. That's what Trump would do if the situation were reversed. Because let's face it, he doesn't give the proverbial flying about anything but Trump. Quote Last year, a similar effort to pass a December spending bill fell apart when Trump demanded money for a border wall. There was little appetite to repeat that impasse, though the White House did request $8.6 billion in new spending for the barrier. Democrats refused and kept border barrier funding levels at $1.375 billion. And they did block it when it was insane nonsense. I think we all know how much he would have been bragging about that and how much the witless clowns who whoop at his rallies would have been whooping at such mindless, pointless drivel eating up money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, JFK-1 said: I don't see an issue with that. Are you suggesting the Democrats should bring the country to a grinding halt just to spite Trump? To the detriment of the nation? that would be good politics?. The issue is they gave him everything that he wanted. Every last thing. Handwaved it straight through. That's not effective opposition. Had the budget been deliberated in open Congressional hearings, the media would have reported on this backroom deal and the people of this country would have had a chance to weigh in during the proceedings. Instead, a degraded Congress pulled a fast one on the citizens. This obfuscation is especially unacceptable considering that these lawmakers work only three days a week at best— when they are not in recess altogether. Ad nauseam. 2 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: They should block any of that just because it's Trump? They should actually negotiate. The "repeals health taxes" was caving on Obamacare funding, fwiw. 6 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: And they did block [the border wall] when it was insane nonsense. I think we all know how much he would have been bragging about that and how much the witless clowns who whoop at his rallies would have been whooping at such mindless, pointless drivel eating up money. Astoundingly the Democrats also caved in on Trump’s wall! After blocking Trump’s funding demand for the wall for three years, the Democrats approved $1.4 billion for the wall. Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, Justin Z said: The issue is they gave him everything that he wanted. Every last thing. Handwaved it straight through. That's not effective opposition. Had the budget been deliberated in open Congressional hearings, the media would have reported on this backroom deal and the people of this country would have had a chance to weigh in during the proceedings. Instead, a degraded Congress pulled a fast one on the citizens. This obfuscation is especially unacceptable considering that these lawmakers work only three days a week at best— when they are not in recess altogether. Ad nauseam. They should actually negotiate. The "repeals health taxes" was caving on Obamacare funding, fwiw. Astoundingly the Democrats also caved in on Trump’s wall! After blocking Trump’s funding demand for the wall for three years, the Democrats approved $1.4 billion for the wall. Oh. Is any of this valid reason to suggest he should be assisted in re-election? I can't go along with any suggestion that the Democrats don't want to win this election. That's veering far into conspiracy territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: "The boast of heraldry The pomp of power And all that beauty and all that wealth ever gave Await alike the inevitable hour, The paths of glory lead but to the grave." Couldn't (and blatantly obviously didn't) have put it better myself. Who was it beat me to it, btw? Edited September 2, 2020 by J.T.F.Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: Couldn't (and blatantly obviously didn't) have put it better myself. Nor me, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Nor me, Jim. And the show-off was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Is any of this valid reason to suggest he should be assisted in re-election? I can't go along with any suggestion that the Democrats don't want to win this election. That's veering far into conspiracy territory. Helping him build his wall is about as direct assistance in his reelection as I can think of, they're so incompetent. I've provided a great deal of evidence in this thread to show how and why the Democratic establishment doesn't particularly care whether they beat Trump, and that they had much more skin in the game in defeating Sanders. Draw your own conclusions; no conspiracy theory needed. Regarding polls, this (from the same source on Twitter as the other day) is a bit better looking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 points up but Dump can still win by taking those rust belt states if enough nuts back him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: And the show-off was? "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard" by Thomas Gray. You might recognise the opening verse ... The curfew tolls the knell of parting day, The lowing herd wind slowly o'er the lea, The ploughman homeward plods his weary way, And leaves the world to darkness and to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Helping him build his wall is about as direct assistance in his reelection as I can think of, they're so incompetent. I've provided a great deal of evidence in this thread to show how and why the Democratic establishment doesn't particularly care whether they beat Trump, and that they had much more skin in the game in defeating Sanders. Draw your own conclusions; no conspiracy theory needed. Regarding polls, this (from the same source on Twitter as the other day) is a bit better looking: National polls can be misleading. As you know, there isn't a national race for President, there are 51 separate races (50 states plus D.C.). I'd be much more interested in the polling for the so-called swing states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: National polls can be misleading. As you know, there isn't a national race for President, there are 51 separate races (50 states plus D.C.). I'd be much more interested in the polling for the so-called swing states. Very true, no doubt. Nate Silver's take on the statistical relationship between the national popular vote and chance to win electoral college: Even taking his modelling with a healthy grain of salt, it seems like 11 would likely be quite okay. 2-3, or even 3-4? Not so much. Edited September 2, 2020 by Justin Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard" by Thomas Gray. You might recognise the opening verse ... The curfew tolls the knell of parting day, The lowing herd wind slowly o'er the lea, The ploughman homeward plods his weary way, And leaves the world to darkness and to me I'd be lying if I said I did. Poetry, amongst a host of other things, has always gone over my heid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Very true, no doubt. Nate Silver's take on the statistical relationship between national polls and chance to win electoral college: Even taking his modelling with a healthy grain of salt, it seems like 11 would likely be quite okay. 2-3, or even 3-4? Not so much. That's encouraging info for ABT (Anybody But Trump) people like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, JackLadd said: 11 points up but Dump can still win by taking those rust belt states if enough nuts back him. It is very telling that they are now neck and neck at the bookies with some making Trumpet Man favourite. The Dems were recently odds on favourites but they've recently fallen away. https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/winning-party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: It is very telling that they are now neck and neck at the bookies with some making Trumpet Man favourite. The Dems were recently odds on favourites but they've recently fallen away. https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/winning-party This gives me the fear. Speaking from Pennsylvania, if Biden can’t win here then he’s got no chance nationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, kingsknowe_jambo said: This gives me the fear. Speaking from Pennsylvania, if Biden can’t win here then he’s got no chance nationally. Penn is a Swing State which leans towards the Dems I believe?. We could easily have an action replay of 2016 with the Dems winning the popular vote but not the Electoral College. I was actually in Philly last year and got the chronically slow and much delayed once a day train from there to the other end of the state - Pittsburgh. Edited September 2, 2020 by SwindonJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Penn is a Swing State which leans towards the Dems I believe?. We could easily have an action replay of 2016 with the Dems winning the popular vote but not the Electoral College. I was actually in Philly last year and got the chronically slow and much delayed once a day train from there to Pittsburgh. Indeed, PA will be very interesting for a number of reasons. Normally votes blue but went red last time. Biden is from Scranton, PA (of US Office fame) although he moved to Delaware as a youth and later represented DE in the Senate. I’m hoping for a local boy bounce so I don’t think PA will be a great indicator however, most certainly he needs to win PA or his night is over! I avoid the Pennsylvanian Amtrak train, it’s always late, especially if you are headed from Philly to NYC. I hope you enjoyed Philly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just now, kingsknowe_jambo said: Indeed, PA will be very interesting for a number of reasons. Normally votes blue but went red last time. Biden is from Scranton, PA (of US Office fame) although he moved to Delaware as a youth and later represented DE in the Senate. I’m hoping for a local boy bounce so I don’t think PA will be a great indicator however, most certainly he needs to win PA or his night is over! I avoid the Pennsylvanian Amtrak train, it’s always late, especially if you are headed from Philly to NYC. I hope you enjoyed Philly! Interestingly, there's a not-unrealistic scenario where Pennsylvania ends up red but Biden gets 270 electoral votes . . . And Arizona is the state that swings it 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Interestingly, there's a not-unrealistic scenario where Pennsylvania ends up red but Biden gets 270 electoral votes . . . And Arizona is the state that swings it 😳 Look South. Texas will swing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Justin Z said: Interestingly, there's a not-unrealistic scenario where Pennsylvania ends up red but Biden gets 270 electoral votes . . . And Arizona is the state that swings it 😳 Thanks, that is indeed very interesting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: Look South. Texas will swing it. If Texas goes blue Trump has a 0% chance imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just now, Justin Z said: If Texas goes blue Trump has a 0% chance imo That's what I'm hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, kingsknowe_jambo said: Indeed, PA will be very interesting for a number of reasons. Normally votes blue but went red last time. Biden is from Scranton, PA (of US Office fame) although he moved to Delaware as a youth and later represented DE in the Senate. I’m hoping for a local boy bounce so I don’t think PA will be a great indicator however, most certainly he needs to win PA or his night is over! I avoid the Pennsylvanian Amtrak train, it’s always late, especially if you are headed from Philly to NYC. I hope you enjoyed Philly! I enjoyed Philly a lot. It was a late change to my mini tour of the North East. Loads of history and interest but much more laid back than New York. South Street is fun. When I caught that train, it left 2 hours late due to a total power failure affecting everything leaving from 30th Street, including my Weedgie mate's Acela train to Boston. When we finally got going, we were further delayed by freight trains and arrived in Pittsburgh in pishing rain 3 hours late. From there I got the overnighter to Chicago, for a total journey time just shy of 24 hours 😂 I believe Ilinois is strongly blue, but neighbouring Michigan went red last time 😳. Have you got the vote yet or are you there temporarily? My Weedgie mate in Boston has been there 19 years and still hasn't bothered with citizenship, nor has his Australian wife. Edited September 2, 2020 by SwindonJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsknowe_jambo Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: I enjoyed Philly a lot. It was a late change to my mini tour of the North East. Loads of history and interest but much more laid back than New York. South Street is fun. When I caught that train, it left 2 hours late due to a total power failure affecting everything leaving from 30th Street, including my Weedgie mate's Acela train to Boston. When we finally got going, we were further delayed by freight trains and arrived in Pittsburgh in pushing rain 3 hours late. From there I got the overnighter to Chicago, for a total journey time just shy of 24 hours 😂 I believe Ilinois is strongly blue, but neighbouring Michigan went red last time 😳. Have you got the vote yet or are you there temporarily? My Weedgie mate in Boston has been there 19 years and still hasn't bothered with citizenship, nor has his Australian wife. Agh yeh, love South Street! My favorite cheesesteak place is down there (Jim’s) but steaks are an argument for another time (I like Whiz much to many people’s disgust!). Philly is great so glad you enjoyed it. I’ve not done any of the long haul trains yet, just back and forth the NE corridor but it’s on my bucket list. I think you can get private rooms on those long trains and would probably opt for one of those. Ive only been here coming up 3 years and not yet a citizen so no voting for me. It’s a weird feeling living somewhere but not having a say, although understandable.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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