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Maple Leaf
4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

If he is not elected in either the primary and the general it will have next to nothing to do with his being gay and nearly everything to do with him essentially being a Republican in Dems' clothing--economically and policy-wise--and one of the least racially progressive people Democrats I've ever taken a serious look at, easily rivalling Joe Biden.

 

Wow, I didn't know all that. :facepalm:

 

Every day's a school day on JKB. 

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Kalamazoo Jambo
3 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

If he is not elected in either the primary and the general it will have next to nothing to do with his being gay and nearly everything to do with him essentially being a Republican in Dems' clothing--economically and policy-wise--and one of the least racially progressive people Democrats I've ever taken a serious look at, easily rivalling Joe Biden.

 

Buttigieg probably won't win the nomination because he hasn't won over minority voters (understandable given that his track record dealing with minorities in South Bend wasn't good), so he'll get crushed in primaries in more diverse states than Iowa. 

 

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redjambo
1 hour ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

 

What's just as worrying is the middle ground (or even Warren, for that matter) won't win some of the Bernie support over. The Bernie or Bust thing is back.

 

For what it's worth, I am as yet undecided about my top pick for the Dem nominee, but I can't imagine a realistic scenario where I wouldn't vote for whoever is going against Trump.

 

1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I was talking to an American friend yesterday. She calls herself a Democrat but comes from a Republican family in South Carolina.  When I asked her about Bernie, she said "He's a socialist. Americans hate socialists."

 

She despises Trump, but says that none of the Democratic candidates appeals to her.

 

I don't have a preferred candidate either, probably because I haven't been keeping up sufficiently with their manifestos. However, I just hope that whoever wins the nomination has a broad enough support to defeat Trump, including winning over moderate Republicans. That's why I think a Bernie win wouldn't be so great.

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redjambo
16 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

 

Buttigieg probably won't win the nomination because he hasn't won over minority voters (understandable given that his track record dealing with minorities in South Bend wasn't good), so he'll get crushed in primaries in more diverse states than Iowa. 

 

 

Indeed.

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bobsharp

I just heard a poll result mentioned on CNN, I think it was actually from yesterday but Trump had a 49%approval rating for, and 50% against with 1% not decided. This apparently was his best yet approval rating. The good thing is tht these polls will fluctuate for months, and Trump can always be depended on for at lest one major faux pas.

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Kalamazoo Jambo
1 minute ago, bobsharp said:

I just heard a poll result mentioned on CNN, I think it was actually from yesterday but Trump had a 49%approval rating for, and 50% against with 1% not decided. This apparently was his best yet approval rating. The good thing is tht these polls will fluctuate for months, and Trump can always be depended on for at lest one major faux pas.


Yes, his best numbers yet. Pretty depressing. The problem is that any Trump faux pas doesn’t matter to the vast majority of his support. The election will come down to turnout more than persuading people to change their minds.

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Maple Leaf
13 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:


Yes, his best numbers yet. Pretty depressing. The problem is that any Trump faux pas doesn’t matter to the vast majority of his support. The election will come down to turnout more than persuading people to change their minds.

 

This is the website I follow.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

In the last few weeks Trump's approval rating has crept up a little, but continues to be well below 50%.

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JackLadd
1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

This is the website I follow.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

In the last few weeks Trump's approval rating has crept up a little, but continues to be well below 50%.

 

If he gets even near 49% he will win hands down, electoral college is rigged in his favour with these red states returning above populations.

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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

Wouldn't be a Trump thread without a wee shout out for Nancy Pelosi last night. 😄.

 

Scenes. 

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Kalamazoo Jambo

Did NOT see this coming...

 

Mitt Romney will vote to convict Trump on one of the two articles of impeachment.

 

Won't make a difference to the final outcome, but I have to say that's a brave and principled stand.

 

It will also help counter the 'partisan impeachment' narrative although that won't matter to the Trumpsheep.

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Cade

Acquitted by a jury of his pals and party members.

:gok:

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Mysterion
21 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

If he gets even near 49% he will win hands down, electoral college is rigged in his favour with these red states returning above populations.

 

If the Democrats can start fighting back properly they can take Donald. 

 

Bill Maher gave them some ideas on Real Time last week. 

 

 

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Kalamazoo Jambo
On 05/02/2020 at 10:48, Maple Leaf said:

 

This is the website I follow.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

In the last few weeks Trump's approval rating has crept up a little, but continues to be well below 50%.

 

This is a very good point (and fivethirtyeight is an excellent resource). The 49% may just be an outlier and the combination of multiple recent polls gives a much lower number.

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bobsharp
4 minutes ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:

 

This is a very good point (and fivethirtyeight is an excellent resource). The 49% may just be an outlier and the combination of multiple recent polls gives a much lower number.

 

I constantly on CNN and MSNBC hear that 49% mentioned. Are they using it as a sort of scare factor or is it one poll they use to the avoidance of all others. Yesterday I heard it mentioned that the pollster was Gallup which is quite well known.

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alwaysthereinspirit
58 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

If the Democrats can start fighting back properly they can take Donald. 

 

Bill Maher gave them some ideas on Real Time last week. 

 

 

Well they've wasted over three years already doing nothing but fighting him. Maybe if they looked at why he won and stopped looking for reasons they lost. If that makes sense.

Bipartisan politics has to make a comeback. It wont with him and it wont with the Democrats running right now. It may be 2024 before we can start afresh. 

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Maple Leaf
32 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said:

Well they've wasted over three years already doing nothing but fighting him. Maybe if they looked at why he won and stopped looking for reasons they lost. If that makes sense.

Bipartisan politics has to make a comeback. It wont with him and it wont with the Democrats running right now. It may be 2024 before we can start afresh. 

 

It must be very annoying for people who support the Dems in the USA.  Trump won by the narrowest of margins in 2016, but might win comfortably in November, despite all his gaffs and lies.  With a mere nine months to go before the election, the Democrats aren't getting out a party message that will appeal to the voters and are still squabbling among themselves.

 

In the meantime, the Republicans are solidly behind Trump and their message is "the economy is great, unemployment is at an all-time low, we're creating millions of new jobs, and the future looks wonderful."

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JackLadd
3 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

It must be very annoying for people who support the Dems in the USA.  Trump won by the narrowest of margins in 2016, but might win comfortably in November, despite all his gaffs and lies.  With a mere nine months to go before the election, the Democrats aren't getting out a party message that will appeal to the voters and are still squabbling among themselves.

 

In the meantime, the Republicans are solidly behind Trump and their message is "the economy is great, unemployment is at an all-time low, we're creating millions of new jobs, and the future looks wonderful."

 

A moderate is needed to beat him but I think Sanders will be the candidate. All these rubes that get their news from Fox and Limbaugh will never vote for him. Scary times given Trump is an insane crook.  

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bobsharp

Just watc hed Nancy Pelosi give a post State of The Union  press conference. She had some good points, but as an old person myself I claim some right to be critical. She works hard on her appearance, but she is definitely an elderly lady, I cannot see that encouraging young voters. The points she made were in some cases valid and reasonable, but her elocution is betrayed by her inability to really present herself well. One of the things about gaining elderly status is to appreciate your limitations, to realise you are not totally what you were, and in some cases such as mine you receive some patience from your audience in respect to your age stimulated views. But as in all things in life you have to know your limitations and I am not sure Nancy is accepting hers.,

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Kalamazoo Jambo
1 hour ago, bobsharp said:

 

I constantly on CNN and MSNBC hear that 49% mentioned. Are they using it as a sort of scare factor or is it one poll they use to the avoidance of all others. Yesterday I heard it mentioned that the pollster was Gallup which is quite well known.


It was a quality poll, but it was definitively played up as it has news value.

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Mac_fae_Gillie
1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

It must be very annoying for people who support the Dems in the USA.  Trump won by the narrowest of margins in 2016, but might win comfortably in November, despite all his gaffs and lies.  With a mere nine months to go before the election, the Democrats aren't getting out a party message that will appeal to the voters and are still squabbling among themselves.

 

In the meantime, the Republicans are solidly behind Trump and their message is "the economy is great, unemployment is at an all-time low, we're creating millions of new jobs, and the future looks wonderful."

USA has a pretty daft system on running its political opposition leader contest in the general election, months of party infighting prior to getting together and fighting the sitting President, be far more logical doing all this year after the election. Would also give party 1 voice to get behind sooner.

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alwaysthereinspirit
1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

A moderate is needed to beat him but I think Sanders will be the candidate. All these rubes that get their news from Fox and Limbaugh will never vote for him. Scary times given Trump is an insane crook.  

Calling someone a rube or a smelly Walmart shopper is definitely the way to bring millions over to your side. As for Sanders? Candidate maybe. President? Not in this country.

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SectionDJambo

Item on the news tonight suggests that the Donald and Boris may  have had a wee tiff, over the phone, over the Huawei thing.

Reports that Trump was very angry with Johnson. 
Maybe the love affair is over, which could be a problem for “oven ready” Boris, if it affects the fantastic deal that we were all told was in the pipeline post Brexit. Or maybe Johnson is starting to realise that he can’t let Trump run this country too.
Look out for Farage backing his American chum over his British one.

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Justin Z
3 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Look out for Farage backing his American chum over his British one.

 

Oh yes. The fash will always stick together, gladly stabbing their useful idiots in the back if they dare to step out of line.

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JackLadd

Trump inherited all the economic and employment trends from Obama, although he has reversed Obama's reduction in the deficit from the 08 crash. Trump has doubled it during an economic boom, gross incompetence and stupidity can be the only explanation. I hope they go bust like the Casinos and businesses Trump ran into the ground.

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Justin Z

Unfortunate truth here.

 

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bobsharp

So Lt Colonel Sinman United States Army, a veteran of the assignment in Iraq, awarded a Purple Heart who did what a good soldier does, his duty as he swore to do. He reacted as he should to what he understood was an inapproriate phone call by the President to another head of state. He did as instructed reported his concerns to his departments legal authorities.

As a result of doing his duty as he seen correct,  today he was escorted by security from the White House grounds by security. The fully uniformed soldier with a chestful of medals, and qualification badges was removed from his place of duty with no respect for his rank or service. Of c ourse President Trump in an earlier interview failed to accept responsibility for this disgraceful conduct to a man who unlike the President served in fact his adopted Country with courage and loyalty to his uniform.

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Maple Leaf
6 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

So Lt Colonel Sinman United States Army, a veteran of the assignment in Iraq, awarded a Purple Heart who did what a good soldier does, his duty as he swore to do. He reacted as he should to what he understood was an inapproriate phone call by the President to another head of state. He did as instructed reported his concerns to his departments legal authorities.

As a result of doing his duty as he seen correct,  today he was escorted by security from the White House grounds by security. The fully uniformed soldier with a chestful of medals, and qualification badges was removed from his place of duty with no respect for his rank or service. Of c ourse President Trump in an earlier interview failed to accept responsibility for this disgraceful conduct to a man who unlike the President served in fact his adopted Country with courage and loyalty to his uniform.

 

It was obvious that the vindictive man-child who is President was going to fire Vindman as soon as it was safe for him to do so. Now that the impeachment trial is over, the colonel was walked out the door by security like he was a common criminal.

 

Trump doesn't want people around who will tell the truth; all he wants is complete subservience from those around him, people who will hide the truth if necessary.

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bobsharp
9 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

It was obvious that the vindictive man-child who is President was going to fire Vindman as soon as it was safe for him to do so. Now that the impeachment trial is over, the colonel was walked out the door by security like he was a common criminal.

 

Trump doesn't want people around who will tell the truth; all he wants is complete subservience from those around him, people who will hide the truth if necessary.

 

But Sinman was, easy  I know, smarter than Trump because he knew how this was going to be so he has been gradually moving his personal items from his office so that he would not have been seen today carrying them out of his office.

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Justin Z
On 05/02/2020 at 15:07, Maple Leaf said:

Every day's a school day on JKB. 

 

Here's a piece about his race record, ML.

 

In the aftermath of the Logan shooting [a Black man shot and killed by a white police officer with a history of racist remarks --JZ], an exasperated Buttigieg was caught on tape telling a black woman who’d asked how he expected black folks to support him, “I’m not asking for your vote.”


“You ain’t getting it either,” the woman responded.

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bobsharp
On 07/02/2020 at 13:49, bobsharp said:

 

But Sinman was, easy  I know, smarter than Trump because he knew how this was going to be so he has been gradually moving his personal items from his office so that he would not have been seen today carrying them out of his office.

Vindman

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Maple Leaf
3 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Here's a piece about his race record, ML.

 

In the aftermath of the Logan shooting [a Black man shot and killed by a white police officer with a history of racist remarks --JZ], an exasperated Buttigieg was caught on tape telling a black woman who’d asked how he expected black folks to support him, “I’m not asking for your vote.”


“You ain’t getting it either,” the woman responded.

 

:thumb:

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bobsharp

So the Donald who has quietly slipped off the JKB map uses that time to involve himself again. Federal Prosecutors recommended a seven to nine year Jail term for Trump friend Roger Stone, Trump on hearing this Tweeted how terrible it was and unfair. That afternoon the DOJ advised that the sentence was too severe and had to be reduced., which motivated four involved Prosecutors to resign. There are those in both camps who say this is probably correct, but it is unknown for a President to impose himslf into DOJ matters. Others say this is typical Trump, get over the Impeachment and get immediately into something controversial and probably improper. Bill Barr gaining a reputation as Trumps personal attorney, meanwhile Trumps other personal attorney Giuliani is being recognised by Barr who is using Rudy's investigation to start an investigation on the Bidens. I guess they are not watching the Democrats results.

 

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Maple Leaf
1 hour ago, bobsharp said:

So the Donald who has quietly slipped off the JKB map uses that time to involve himself again. Federal Prosecutors recommended a seven to nine year Jail term for Trump friend Roger Stone, Trump on hearing this Tweeted how terrible it was and unfair. That afternoon the DOJ advised that the sentence was too severe and had to be reduced., which motivated four involved Prosecutors to resign. There are those in both camps who say this is probably correct, but it is unknown for a President to impose himslf into DOJ matters. Others say this is typical Trump, get over the Impeachment and get immediately into something controversial and probably improper. Bill Barr gaining a reputation as Trumps personal attorney, meanwhile Trumps other personal attorney Giuliani is being recognised by Barr who is using Rudy's investigation to start an investigation on the Bidens. I guess they are not watching the Democrats results.

 

 

Late in the election campaign of 2016, the FBI announced an inquiry into Hilary Clinton. Her popularity slumped and she lost the election by the narrowest of margins.

 

Now Barr and Giuliani, both stalwart Trump men, are huddling over the supposed dodgy dealings by the Biden family in Ukraine. Will an announcement by Barr of an inquiry be far away?  It worked for Trump in 2016, maybe it will work for him again in 2020.

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bobsharp
13 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Late in the election campaign of 2016, the FBI announced an inquiry into Hilary Clinton. Her popularity slumped and she lost the election by the narrowest of margins.

 

Now Barr and Giuliani, both stalwart Trump men, are huddling over the supposed dodgy dealings by the Biden family in Ukraine. Will an announcement by Barr of an inquiry be far away?  It worked for Trump in 2016, maybe it will work for him again in 2020.

 

But is it worth it if Biden is not the nominee. Not looking god right now, although Nevada and South Carolina still tgo come.

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Cade

The Rule Of Law has been a joke in the USA for many years due to the political appointments of justices.

That Donny is interfering in order to help a friend should come as no surprise.

The USA is in a hell of a state and to be honest there should be a constitutional convention to update the constitution to 21st century standards.

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Maple Leaf
Just now, bobsharp said:

 

But is it worth it if Biden is not the nominee. Not looking god right now, although Nevada and South Carolina still tgo come.

 

True.  They started all this when Biden looked like he was the front-runner for the Dems.

 

Now that Biden seems to be falling back in the race, they might turn their attention to someone else.  But who?  Bernie is probably unelectable ... too old and too 'socialist' ... and Buttigieg is openly gay, which is offensive to many millions in the USA. Klobuchar and Warren haven't made much of an impact, which leaves billionaire Bloomberg.  Hmm.

Maybe Trump will just sit back and watch the Democrats self-destruct.  

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Maple Leaf

We don't want to let this thread fall too far down the list, so with a nod to @JFK-1, here is a post from the daft jokes thread.

 

Donald Trump goes into a library and loudly says a big mac and fries please. The librarian says, sir, this is a library. Trump looks embarrassed, whispers, a big mac and fries please.

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ri Alban

Big crowd(250,000)expected in India to see DT.

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The Frenchman Returns

Caption competition?

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milky_26
1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Big crowd(250,000)expected in India to see DT.

on the radio they estimated 100k in the stadium when he mispronounced sachin tendulkar and  virat kohli really badly

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milky_26
1 minute ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Caption competition?

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what is a bhaji? i want big mac and fries with a coke

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Justin Z

Image

 

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:facepalm:

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annushorribilis III

reminds me of this - 

 

 

 

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annushorribilis III

reminds me of this - 

 

 

 

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Justin Z

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What fascists do.

 

This case was about whether states have the power, under the US constitution, to prosecute these cases, or whether it were, to borrow the analogous British concept--it was a matter reserved for the federal government.

 

But undermining trust in the competency of government institutions that are meant to be apolitical? Absolutely what fascists do. You are currently seeing it in Britain too with the Tories calling for a review of the judiciary.

 

****ing hate these scum.

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Sawdust Caesar

i see Trump is blaming Obama for not having a vaccine ready for the coronavirus.  :vrface:

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The Real Maroonblood
3 hours ago, Sawdust Caesar said:

i see Trump is blaming Obama for not having a vaccine ready for the coronavirus.  :vrface:

:rofl:

He’s a f*****g fruit loop.

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Maple Leaf
2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

:rofl:

He’s a f*****g fruit loop.

 

Don't forget that he has a "hunch" about what's going on, and that things aren't as bad as some people are making it out to be. :confused:

 

And don't forget that a decision that was made, or not made, by Obama in 2004 (which was four years before Obama was elected) has made things much more difficult for the Trump administration. :confused:

 

"****ing fruit loop" doesn't quite cover it. 

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