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Also yeah, considering how much interference in foreign governments we do, we sure cry about it, don't we? But not proven? Come on. Every intelligence service in the US agrees the Russians went ballistic in 2016, and have kept at it since.

 

Wish we would just leave countries the **** alone, but we all know that's not going to happen.

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17 minutes ago, jake said:

Wasnt really meaning the mechanics Maple.

 

I had posted a long reply .

But realised I'm just going to repeat myself.

🙂

 

 

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4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

If there is evidence that Biden broke the law, then there should be an investigation.  If there is any evidence that Biden's son broke the law, then that should be investigated also.

 

The thing is, there was probably nothing illegal in anything Joe or Hunter Biden did. Improper? Plausibly and likely. Should it be illegal? Maybe, and one argument that it should is because some arsehole like Trump will come along, see that, then do much worse things like attempt to use the resources of the United States to induce foreign governments to do things that benefit him politically, and millions of people will say "what about Biden?" in response.

 

3 hours ago, RobboM said:

Trump wanted dirt on Biden. It was even enough for the Ukrainians just to say they were investigating.

 

Although this is only a small part of the corruption, it's the key difference, yeah. And is explicitly illegal and forbidden in the Constitution. And then Trump flat out asked China publicly to do the same thing in violation of the Constitution. :rofl: The knob.

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8 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

"Trump ordained by God."

 

This is an eye-popping, jaw-dropping article for sane people.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/politics/rick-perry-donald-trump-god/index.html

 

Wonder if he'd apply that same "logic" to likes of Stalin, Hitler and countless other despots. 

What a load of unmitigated shite!

 

 

 

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The hate; the Russian Delusion the Impeachment Sundae …

One, single issue Trump may be ultimately responsible for ending legal abortion rights in America.

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5 hours ago, alfajambo said:

The hate; the Russian Delusion the Impeachment Sundae …

One, single issue Trump may be ultimately responsible for ending legal abortion rights in America.

 

You might be right. 

 

But rich women will always have access to safe, illegal abortions through a medical procedure called dilation and curettage (D & C), and poor women will have access to unsafe abortions through a procedure called back alley and coat hanger (BA & C).

 

And it's back to the 1950's we go. MAGA.  

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41 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

You might be right. 

 

But rich women will always have access to safe, illegal abortions through a medical procedure called dilation and curettage (D & C), and poor women will have access to unsafe abortions through a procedure called back alley and coat hanger (BA & C).

 

And it's back to the 1950's we go. MAGA.  

 

I just wonder how many foetus of illegal abortion our man of god has seen, how many adults who were unwanted from birth and led a life of misery often leading to crime or suicide. Yes no one can say they don't have any mis feeling about killing even if an unborn is involved with no choice, but do not religious people believe that what happens to us all is God's will. There is no single way of death or time of, some like myself live a long productive life others die at their peak and never enjoy their efforts. What is sad and pathetic to me is a person can use the death of innocents to bolster his point in praise of an adulterer, liar, coward and like his hero does it with an alias, also a coward,takes one to like one. A pathetic wee man who runs in throws his bitterness and escapes to his anonymity, sad.

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Why do all the Republican senators/congressmen sound like southern hicks?

 

Congressmen as there are no women.

 

 

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Watched the start of the Judiciary Hearings this morning. Nadler gave his opening statement of their, the Democrats reasons and evidence for Impeachment. The Republican response was the usual you don't like Trump so you are out to get him no real exculpatory evidence, no real defence. The next phase involved Republicans time wasting with constant interruptions and motions. A Harvard professor then gave a talk on the Constitution, it's foundation, purpose, and implementation, excellent.

If all that is not enough I got the impression that Trump at the NATO meetings is being recognised by other leaders as a bufoon and object of mirth. On one occasion he was asked a question and stuttered and tried to cover the fact about climate change that he had no clue. Instead rambled on about garbage being put into oceans.

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2 hours ago, milky_26 said:

that has to be fake

 

As a known non defender of Trump I do have to say that I would accept a response that his statement was not fully concluded. It possibly went further and states a fact that there were being actions  carried out on full term babies possibly having been found to have health or physical difficulties which were being carried out in the name of abortion. If this video is a mistatement or just an effort to demean Trump it is so stupid because there is so much he can be properly demeaned for. Becoming President with the assistance of Russia just one to start with.

 

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For a while I thought Melania had the same negative feelings about Trump as many others, but have changed that opinion. During the Hearing last week a female Constitutional lawyer made a comment that there was a difference between an elected President and a King. She used as an example Trump could name his son Baron, but unlike a King could not make him one. Melania later made a statement that it was awful that this woman would use an innocent child   to prove a political point. Its too bad Melania doesn't feel the same about the sixteen year old boy who died under suspicious circumstance  while in custody by ICE. It is also quite to me terrible that infants and toddlers are removed from their parents  and kept in cages, but then that is not as bad as making an example of bestowal of titles.

I also am not surprised that she did not comment on her husbands act in front of thousands, of Lisa Pages FBI boyfriend in a state of pre orgasm verbosity, Trump did it with appropriate grunts and facial actions. Did Melania give any thought to the fact that is how he  probably looked in real life while he was having sex with a porn star, while Melania was about to give birth to the same Baron.

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15 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Noticed this as well, the more I see her the more she reminds me of the TV programme 'V'.

 

 I'd say about 5% of her face is human skin.

 

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13 hours ago, bobsharp said:

For a while I thought Melania had the same negative feelings about Trump as many others, but have changed that opinion. During the Hearing last week a female Constitutional lawyer made a comment that there was a difference between an elected President and a King. She used as an example Trump could name his son Baron, but unlike a King could not make him one. Melania later made a statement that it was awful that this woman would use an innocent child   to prove a political point. Its too bad Melania doesn't feel the same about the sixteen year old boy who died under suspicious circumstance  while in custody by ICE. It is also quite to me terrible that infants and toddlers are removed from their parents  and kept in cages, but then that is not as bad as making an example of bestowal of titles.

I also am not surprised that she did not comment on her husbands act in front of thousands, of Lisa Pages FBI boyfriend in a state of pre orgasm verbosity, Trump did it with appropriate grunts and facial actions. Did Melania give any thought to the fact that is how he  probably looked in real life while he was having sex with a porn star, while Melania was about to give birth to the same Baron.

Melania Trump is essentially a prostitute on retention.

 

 

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Jimmy Kimmel played this last week. Trump can't name a single book by his 'favourite' author. Tries to bullshit, then pretends he can't hear.

 

 

 

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It's been asserted a couple of times since Trump was elected that he doesn't read books.

 

Apparently, he doesn't read the President's daily briefing papers either... he gets all the info he needs from watching Fox news and chatting with Sean Hannity.

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On 08/12/2019 at 14:36, milky_26 said:

that has to be fake


People have been saying that about Trump for years.

It’s a common sense instinct that tells you no one in a position of such power could be such an idiot.

He is though !

Staggering isn’t it !

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31 minutes ago, Boab said:


People have been saying that about Trump for years.

It’s a common sense instinct that tells you no one in a position of such power could be such an idiot.

He is though !

Staggering isn’t it !

 

In my experience when someone has to constantly remind people how smart, clever or brilliant they are, it usually means they are anything but.  

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I hear some opinions that they should have included Obstruction of Justice, ie The Mueller Investigation. Seems a good idea not to, for a careful listener they seem to have what they need to prove their two cases. So far all the Republicans have done is obstruct with motions, delays and speeches, seldom does one hear the President done nothing wrong, and all that say he did is Hearsay, Lies, Presumptions. Of course  whatever happens the Senate will use their majority to quash it.

 It is difficult to consider the end to all this. Of course he will not be convicted, will never be removed, but will the evidence be enough to dispirit those who may have thought about voting for him. Sadly the Democrats in their choosing of a candidate are destroying each others charac ter, ability, and worthiness of the position of President.

Russia, North Korera, Saudi, Iran, and others must just be wetting themselves with the joy and disbelief that the American political system is achieving for them the chaos they have been in some cases trying to create for seventy years.

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On 28/11/2019 at 19:51, Maple Leaf said:

 

You might be right. 

 

But rich women will always have access to safe, illegal abortions through a medical procedure called dilation and curettage (D & C), and poor women will have access to unsafe abortions through a procedure called back alley and coat hanger (BA & C).

 

And it's back to the 1950's we go. MAGA.  

Influence and advice rather than manipulation is always a more sustainable MO.

Should a government impose a law diametric to the culture it allegedly seeks to enable?

Even the ultimate authority doesn’t do that.

 

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I watched the lieing leader at his Pennsylvania campaign rally last night.

First falsehood, right on key the protestor appared, Trump remembered the scripted get him out of her. Then the compliments to Law enforcement.

He then blasted the IG report as lies, and that his Campaign of 2016 was spied on. This has been stated as not true, that the FBI actedcorectly starung the investigation but made some bad errors in the warrant applications.

He then went on his orgasm act about Lisa Page and her married lover. He then went on that he had heard, that she had taken out a Restraining Order on Stzork. He said I heard, people are talking about it, and made other comments to ensure he could not be sued for his lie, all false, there is no such Order he lied.

He assured the audience that the USA is respected world wide, for some reason he forget some of the Leaders were mocking him and laughing at him.

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5 hours ago, alfajambo said:

Influence and advice rather than manipulation is always a more sustainable MO.

Should a government impose a law diametric to the culture it allegedly seeks to enable?

Even the ultimate authority doesn’t do that.

 

 

When you quote the ultimate authority what do you mean. Is it the ultimate authority that allowed the massacre of innocent Jews, Poles and others in the early 1940's. This same authority who allows people like Kim in North Korea to obtain nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

I can understand a belief that destroying an unborn life is appalling, surprisingly so do I. My difference is that for thirty six years of my life I lived in the real world. I saw mans inhumanity to man in I would suspect most of its forms, I have to admit I am not sure how the ultimate authority makes the decisions. He has a written book of rules called Commandments, and yet some of his most ardent followers beleive in his delegated authority to a man I have just mentioned in another post who lies, cheats, breaks commandments every time he opens his mouth, I honestly just don't understand that

I honestly have no use for you or your opinions,  but have every belief in your right to express them, I just hope for you that you are never unfortunate enough to go through a door that is the entrance to the real world of human man/woman.

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7 hours ago, alfajambo said:

Influence and advice rather than manipulation is always a more sustainable MO.

Should a government impose a law diametric to the culture it allegedly seeks to enable?

Even the ultimate authority doesn’t do that.

 

 

I don't want to go off-topic on this thread, as Herr Trump gives us enough to comment on. So this will probably be my last comment on the subject of abortion.

 

No one likes abortion. It's a gut-wrenching event for everyone involved. But it's a reality of our society, and has been for centuries, so we need to recognise that reality. The issue can't be legislated away.

 

When you say "influence and advice", from whom?  It's a highly emotive topic, so one would be hard pressed to find someone impartial to give that advice. And if the advice is biased, what value has it?

 

You mention a hypothetical government imposed law. Why is a law necessary at all?  Why is a law required for a woman's reproductive processes?  There is no abortion law in Canada. None is needed.  Advocates from both camps are free to express their views , frequently vociferously, without interfering with the choices of others.  It works. No woman in Canada has died from an illegal abortion since our abortion laws were scrapped decades ago.

 

Back on topic ... yon Trump is a buffoon. :thumb: 

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I see that Trump has taken a cheap shot at that wee Swedish lass, Greta Thunberg.  He suggests that she takes anger management classes.

 

Coming from Mr Thinskin himself, that's a bit rich.

 

We can add bullying teenage girls to Trump's list of accomplishments. He's quite the hero.

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3 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

I see that Trump has taken a cheap shot at that wee Swedish lass, Greta Thunberg.  He suggests that she takes anger management classes.

 

Coming from Mr Thinskin himself, that's a bit rich.

 

We can add bullying teenage girls to Trump's list of accomplishments. He's quite the hero.

 

It's a nasty, nasty world, and it's only going in one direction with ***** like him setting an example.

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9 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Lindsey Graham is a ****ing scumbag.

 

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1205634545640448001

 

One channel showed his previous Trump descriptions, they were to say the least highly critical, using words such have been used here on this forum.

The hypocrisy is startling. Trump a serial adulterer criticises, mocks and insults two people who had an affair.

Trump uses a word I despise "scum" to describe the F.B.I. Sure they played a stacked hand in their investigations, but scum.

The delightful Melania criticises a Hearing witness for mentioning her son, she says it is wrong to use an innocent child for political purposes, true, but it is equally wrong for her husband Donald Trump, President of the United States to publicly show a tweet he made about an outstanding young teenager, which was nothing but an insane tantrum by an old man who lost a nomination to the child as Time person of the year.Melania said nothing.

The Trump support is full of two facers like Graham who were vocally, insultingly critical of Trump prior to his election, but now act as if he is the paramount of virtue, intelligence and decncy, none of which is true.

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Last Thursday, December 12, Trump sent out 123 Tweets.

 

123 Tweets in a single day!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yet another example of a man deranged, or obsessed by himself.

 

And while he's messing about with personal matters on his phone, who is being President?

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9 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

Last Thursday, December 12, Trump sent out 123 Tweets.

 

123 Tweets in a single day!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yet another example of a man deranged, or obsessed by himself.

 

And while he's messing about with personal matters on his phone, who is being President?


It's a fair point but it's maybe less dangerous that he is tweeting rahter than actually governing?

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I'm not convinced on how strong a case the Dems have and its more a case of Trump being a bit thick and  not understanding what is coming out of his mouth as much as anything, but with politics and society so polarised just now, if there was irrefutable evidence Trump was a Russian spy, the Republican representatives would still vote against impeachment.

 

Mental.

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6 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

I'm not convinced on how strong a case the Dems have and its more a case of Trump being a bit thick and  not understanding what is coming out of his mouth as much as anything, but with politics and society so polarised just now, if there was irrefutable evidence Trump was a Russian spy, the Republican representatives would still vote against impeachment.

 

Mental.

 

Trump could change his name to Donald Vladimir Trumpski, wear a Russian uniform in the oval office and insist that everyone around him only speaks Russian.

But as long as Trump was still in power the Republicans would back him and turn a blind eye and say nothing to see here move along.

 

The Republicans on the hill don't give two fecks about Trump, when the time comes he'll have more knives in his back than Julius Caesar had, but as long as he keeps the Republicans in power they'll tolarate anything he does.

 

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11 hours ago, DETTY29 said:

I'm not convinced on how strong a case the Dems have and its more a case of Trump being a bit thick and  not understanding what is coming out of his mouth as much as anything, but with politics and society so polarised just now, if there was irrefutable evidence Trump was a Russian spy, the Republican representatives would still vote against impeachment.

 

Mental.

I wonder if some intern gave Trumplethinskin a blow job in the Oval office if the Republicans would be so keen to impeach as they were the last time that happened to a president. We all know the answer to that.

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5 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Trump could change his name to Donald Vladimir Trumpski, wear a Russian uniform in the oval office and insist that everyone around him only speaks Russian.

But as long as Trump was still in power the Republicans would back him and turn a blind eye and say nothing to see here move along.

 

The Republicans on the hill don't give two fecks about Trump, when the time comes he'll have more knives in his back than Julius Caesar had, but as long as he keeps the Republicans in power they'll tolarate anything he does.

 

 

I agree, and when the time comes, the Republicans will all be writing books about their time in the Senate, and what an absolute incompetent buffoon Trump was, and how they tried their best to keep him under control, behind the scenes, of course.

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