U.S. Politics megathread (merged)

[Francis Albert]

2 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Way to ignore the exact ****ing point I made in the middle of my drunken rant, Franny the ignored fañny--fitting of you, actually.

 

Your post to me clearly suggested that it was a pity there was no way to deny the vote to people who are not like you. Or rather not like you think you are. 

I know from experience that posting when drunk is rarely a good idea … certainly on any topic of any seriousness.

 

[jake]

Just now, Justin Z said:

 

Please do mate. I will have a pint with you any time. And gladly accept an unconditional slap, because I gave you a well deserved verbal one online.

 

**** off with your "the left" shit. You are not clever, and the sooner you realise it, the better off we all will be.

I dont think I am.

 

You do though.

 

I'm expressing a view.

 

Thankfully that's still allowed.

Hopefully people like you will never be in a position to decide otherwise.

 

I'm going to resist taking this any further as I must admit its tempting to take you up on the offer of anytime.

 

 

[Justin Z]

Just now, Francis Albert said:

Your post to me clearly suggested that it was a pity there was no way to deny the vote to people who are not like you. Or rather not like you think you are. 

I know from experience that posting when drunk is rarely a good idea … certainly on any topic of any seriousness.

 

 

I in no way dispute the last sentence.

 

It's not a pity there's no way to deny people the vote, and I'm pretty sure I made that clear, though, as you point out, it's hard to tell as much when you're drinking.

 

What is a pity is today's current culture of ignorant people ignoring experts. For the avoidance of doubt, to paraphrase an even more laborious bore from the internet with a ridiculous Celtic name, I make no claim to being an expert myself. But as I said already, there is absolutely zero nexus between the idea that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that every opinion is equally valid.

We all suffer for the idea that they are.

[jake]

2 minutes ago, Barack said:

Got my drink, lads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I normally would Barack.

But I like posting on here .

And I usually end up banned as my views are not popular.

 

Enjoy your drink.

[Justin Z]

Just now, jake said:

I dont think I am.

 

You do though.

 

I'm expressing a view.

 

Thankfully that's still allowed.

Hopefully people like you will never be in a position to decide otherwise.

 

I'm going to resist taking this any further as I must admit its tempting to take you up on the offer of anytime.

 

Mate you should take me up on it. Though I am well pissed at the moment and absolutely done with your pseudointellectual crap on here, that doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. Obviously my babykiller quip was pure rubbish and no one ought to take it seriously, least of all you. Your priorities are so ****ing skewed, and if you had seen what I saw at the detention centre in southern Arizona when I was back there last summer, you would not be so flippant in your approach here, I promise you.

So yeah, on reflection you couldn't have known that and so apologies are in order for going in two-footed like that.

[AlphonseCapone]

quite a few posts won't make it past the morning but at least I'll be able to say, I was there. 

[Justin Z]

14 minutes ago, Auld Reekin' said:

 

11 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said:

quite a few posts won't make it past the morning but at least I'll be able to say, I was there. 

 

❤️ to both of you

[Auld Reekin']

3 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

 

❤️ to both of you

 

 

Night-night...

[Sharpie]

2 hours ago, jake said:

I normally would Barack.

But I like posting on here .

And I usually end up banned as my views are not popular.

 

Enjoy your drink.

 

Jake you and I have experienced that internet jousting, we got pretty bad at each other, but I have got to know you and realise sometimes one just has to sit and judge themselves, before being too strong on others, now you and I seem to be able to disagree if necessary and yet still agree about more mundane things such as getting along in life.

[Maple Leaf]

On 29/06/2019 at 13:02, Francis Albert said:

Criticising some of the things his more obsessively single minded critics say is not the same as supporting, defending or praising him.

 

Not the same, but very similar.

 

And referring to his critics as "obsessively single minded" displays a clear pro-Trump bias. 

[ri Alban]

Drinking on an empty head isn't good.

[SpruceBringsteen]

7 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Mate you should take me up on it. Though I am well pissed at the moment and absolutely done with your pseudointellectual crap on here, that doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. Obviously my babykiller quip was pure rubbish and no one ought to take it seriously, least of all you. Your priorities are so ****ing skewed, and if you had seen what I saw at the detention centre in southern Arizona when I was back there last summer, you would not be so flippant in your approach here, I promise you.

So yeah, on reflection you couldn't have known that and so apologies are in order for going in two-footed like that.

 

Tbf the only thing you need to apologise for is replying to that drink addled scumbag.

[Francis Albert]

4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Not the same, but very similar.

 

And referring to his critics as "obsessively single minded" displays a clear pro-Trump bias. 

It really doesn't. It just says some of his critics are obsessively single minded.

 

Meanwhile the real issue is whether and how he can be beaten. The Democratic debates so far are not encouraging, Biden is caught up in some silly accusation that just because he once believed that seeking a consensus with people he disagreed with disqualifies him. Bernie and Warren are proposing a universal Medicare (good idea) but also makes private medical insurance illegal (which even the socialists of Europe have not done). They also propose "undocumented" people (aka as illegal immigrants ) should have access to social security benefits. Again a fine idea but one that will sell? Obama never went so far left.

[ri Alban]

11 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Mate you should take me up on it. Though I am well pissed at the moment and absolutely done with your pseudointellectual crap on here, that doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. Obviously my babykiller quip was pure rubbish and no one ought to take it seriously, least of all you. Your priorities are so ****ing skewed, and if you had seen what I saw at the detention centre in southern Arizona when I was back there last summer, you would not be so flippant in your approach here, I promise you.

So yeah, on reflection you couldn't have known that and so apologies are in order for going in two-footed like that.

Read all about it! Man turns into Scotsman.

[Justin Z]

34 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Read all about it! Man turns into Scotsman.

 

Like a dream come true

[Justin Z]

Back on topic ?

 

If you haven't seen the video clip the French government released showing Ivanka trying to talk to the big kids at G20, it's seriously embarrassing.

 

Ocasio-Cortez leads critics of video showing Ivanka Trump G20 chat

 

America now has its own royal family that have done nothing to earn their stations in life.

[ri Alban]

29 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Back on topic ?

 

If you haven't seen the video clip the French government released showing Ivanka trying to talk to the big kids at G20, it's seriously embarrassing.

 

Ocasio-Cortez leads critics of video showing Ivanka Trump G20 chat

 

America now has its own royal family that have done nothing to earn their stations in life.

Don't see a problem. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

28 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Don't see a problem. 

As long as the Trump's are involved it'll always be a problem.?

[ri Alban]

23 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

As long as the Trump's are involved it'll always be a problem.?

Theresa May was there. A nobody.

[Sharpie]

Trump is something to me that is totally different. I have observed Presidents with some semblance of understanding since Harry Truman, I do remember Roosevelt, but just knew him as a nice old man in a wheelchair who was friends with Churchill, strictly Movietone news knowledge.

I cannot think of one President who has not been subject to criticisme, and since the advent of television we have bec ome more intimate with their actions and decisions. Some were not that good, Nixon and LBJ to an extent, but each to some extent were recognised as a President of the United States. Ronald Reagan who had been my favorite movie star, was easy for me to admire as a President, he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but was alway POTUS. John Kennedy was another I thought a lot of, a war hero, an excellent judge of women, and as a young man I envied in some cases his choice with whom to philander, he was brutally murdered and paid a heavy price for his sins.

Fast forward 2016, I watched a total phoney, a draft dodger, not a person with principle, but someone who would not risk life and limb for the Country he wanted to lead. His competition for the position was a woman who like Trump I felt was totally unsuitable for the position, I suspect if elected I would have been similarly open to acusations of obsession in my criticism. Donald Trump lied throughout the campaign, he has lied throughout his Presidency. He is a bully, he has all the attributes I have been aware of in criminal behaviour, he blocks by whatever means every questionable aspect of his Presidency, he admires and panders to despots, he disbelieves, has no trust in his aides and advisers, countermands and terminates anyone who does not toe his party line. He is incompetent, unintelligent, dishonest, unpatriotic, and a buffoon. I am happy to accept any grammatical description of my opinions and attitudes, but obsessive is not one i accept, I merely comment on what I see and hear from President Trump, I don't have to obsessively search, every time I turn on TV or read a newspaper it smacks me right in the face.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Justin Z said:

Back on topic ?

 

If you haven't seen the video clip the French government released showing Ivanka trying to talk to the big kids at G20, it's seriously embarrassing.

 

Ocasio-Cortez leads critics of video showing Ivanka Trump G20 chat

 

America now has its own royal family that have done nothing to earn their stations in life.

When is trump going to start draining that swamp? 

[Maple Leaf]

7 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

It really doesn't. It just says some of his critics are obsessively single minded.

 

Meanwhile the real issue is whether and how he can be beaten. The Democratic debates so far are not encouraging, Biden is caught up in some silly accusation that just because he once believed that seeking a consensus with people he disagreed with disqualifies him. Bernie and Warren are proposing a universal Medicare (good idea) but also makes private medical insurance illegal (which even the socialists of Europe have not done). They also propose "undocumented" people (aka as illegal immigrants ) should have access to social security benefits. Again a fine idea but one that will sell? Obama never went so far left.

 

There's about 16 months until the election, and there will be many twists and turns along the way. I'm going to wait until the Dems have selected their candidate before I get too deeply involved in the race.

 

Getting back to the 'obsessively single minded' bit, I probably qualify. That's because I can't think of one redeeming feature of the man, so any time I post about him on this thread, it will almost certainly involve negative comments. The list of reasons I dislike him is long, so I won't itemise them here, but it started with him boasting about multiple sexual assaults on women and has gone downhill since then.  Any man who believes that you can assault women with impunity, as he clearly does, will never get any respectful comment from me. If that makes me "obsessively single minded", so be it.

[Francis Albert]

45 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

There's about 16 months until the election, and there will be many twists and turns along the way. I'm going to wait until the Dems have selected their candidate before I get too deeply involved in the race.

 

Getting back to the 'obsessively single minded' bit, I probably qualify. That's because I can't think of one redeeming feature of the man, so any time I post about him on this thread, it will almost certainly involve negative comments. The list of reasons I dislike him is long, so I won't itemise them here, but it started with him boasting about multiple sexual assaults on women and has gone downhill since then.  Any man who believes that you can assault women with impunity, as he clearly does, will never get any respectful comment from me. If that makes me "obsessively single minded", so be it.

The election may be 16 months off but the campaign has already begun.  For example a  TV advert currently running lists waiting times for treatments for various conditions under Medicare, reminiscent of numerous stories in recent years about similar waiting times under our own NHS, and closes with the statement that this is what "Medicare for all" will mean. The US (and the UK) can afford a National Health Service or "Medicare for all" which is good enough to reduce private medical insurance to a small minority of health care provision which was the case for most of the NHS's existence and indeed remains so today despite the underfunding and consequent deficiencies of the NHS. Why propose what to me seems a very unAmerican ban on people choosing to take out private medical insurance.rather than just focus on funding a "Medicare for all"? 

When the economy is doing well (and unemployment is currently at a 51 year low) unseating a sitting President is never easy. His opponents need to make good use of the next 16 months.

[Sharpie]

Fake News CNN reporting that Trump wants tanks in the big July 4 parade in Washington Mall. This has been discussed before and the opinion was that the damage caused outweighs any benefit. But his desire to be like Putin and Kim requires that he show off the ultra military power at his disposal. He is also breaking tradition in giving an extended speech which is anticipated to be political and campaign oriented.

On a non political point, it looks like from yesterdays pictures the old baldie pate is getting harder to cover, there seems to be a hair famine, so now his  hairdressers will be getting told "You're Fired" that could cause an increase  in the unemployed figures, he must have a whole team of them.

[trotter]

24 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

Fake News CNN reporting that Trump wants tanks in the big July 4 parade in Washington Mall. This has been discussed before and the opinion was that the damage caused outweighs any benefit. But his desire to be like Putin and Kim requires that he show off the ultra military power at his disposal. He is also breaking tradition in giving an extended speech which is anticipated to be political and campaign oriented.

On a non political point, it looks like from yesterdays pictures the old baldie pate is getting harder to cover, there seems to be a hair famine, so now his  hairdressers will be getting told "You're Fired" that could cause an increase  in the unemployed figures, he must have a whole team of them.

That's an interesting discussion all by itself. For all it's flag-waving, 'thank-you-for-your-service' antics, I'm not sure the general US public would be overly keen about seeing tanks in the street, even in a celebratory fashion. 

[jake]

11 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said:

 

Tbf the only thing you need to apologise for is replying to that drink addled scumbag.

 

Shottie.

 

 

 

[Unknown user]

16 minutes ago, jake said:

 

Shottie.

 

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

20 minutes ago, jake said:

 

Shottie.

 

 

 

Bong?

[jake]

5 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Bong?

No mate.

Auld Edinburgh word.

[ri Alban]

Just now, jake said:

No mate.

Auld Edinburgh word.

For?

[jake]

11 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

For?

If you were up to something and somebody shouted shottie it meant look out danger.

 

My use was in this instance sarcastic.

 

 

[Sharpie]

13 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

For?

 Way back it was what you kept when the others were stealing apples, a lookout. Or lookout the polis are coming warning call. Old Edinburgh slang. A true confession that I was not all my life dedicated to serve and protect, I have had my moments of being one of the type you are being protected from. That was probably my most beneficial trait as a polis.

[jake]

17 hours ago, bobsharp said:

 

Jake you and I have experienced that internet jousting, we got pretty bad at each other, but I have got to know you and realise sometimes one just has to sit and judge themselves, before being too strong on others, now you and I seem to be able to disagree if necessary and yet still agree about more mundane things such as getting along in life.

Thanks Bob.

My posting annoys people.

Think I'm getting better at not biting.

(admin delete)

 

[ri Alban]

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[jake]

41 minutes ago, jake said:

Thanks Bob.

My posting annoys people.

Think I'm getting better at not biting.

(admin delete)

 

Apologies to admin.

Wasnt a criticism just an observation.

 

And Bob it wasnt anything bad towards you just so you know.

 

 

[Justin Z]

8 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

When is trump going to start draining that swamp? 

 

Funny you should ask...

 

 

Trump's idea of draining the swamp seems to be by just being openly, bare-faced corrupt. Quality.

[jake]

5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Funny you should ask...

 

 

Trump's idea of draining the swamp seems to be by just being openly, bare-faced corrupt. Quality.

Bare faced but no different.

[Justin Z]

On 01/07/2019 at 22:26, jake said:

Bare faced but no different.

 

Same ol', same ol'.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikevWUSA/status/1146207474220961794

 

 

Edited July 3, 2019 by Justin Z

[Sharpie]

Trump claims all the high military people are excited about the day, the Republicans it is reported are also handing out tickets for the speech he will give. These front seat tickets are however only going to Republican supporters who are prospective donors to the campaign funds. But I am convinced by the President when he states it will not be a campaign politicised event. 

Off subject I just bought my wife a beautiful diamond bracelet for $25.00, the guy who sold me it said he inherited it from his rich grandfather. He was a nice guy and despite his obvious wealth he was dressed in really old clothes, had no teeth, and needed  a shave, but why would he tell me a lie.

[jake]

12 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Same ol', same ol'.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikevWUSA/status/1146207474220961794

 

 

In a way you prove my point.

 

 

[jake]

People thinking tanks on parade is somehow a sign .

 

Sorry like I said it's the bare face of America.

Under all presidents.

 

But to most who have suffered its military might it's just a show.

 

[jake]

10 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'm excited to see these "new Sherman Tanks" he was on about. The World War II-era M4 Sherman tanks that haven't been produced since the 1950s.

 

Ultimately, the only "Sherman Tank" I feel will be rhyming slang, as to what he's been wittering about. Again. 

 

Fireworks should be good though.??

Well I suppose it's less of a problem than dropping bombs every single day of his presidency.

Or through American agencies furthering American hegemony through interfering in elections.

Creating fake news for fake wars.

 

A few tanks is just the bare face .

 

As for fireworks mate we really have no idea.

Shock and awe was healthy though.

 

And I expect Syrian people were glad .

 

 

[jake]

Anyway I await the virtue signalling of an upper middle class student to tell me the reality of life.

 

[jake]

Perhaps he can tell all the immigrant workies they shouldn't have a vote.

[Justin Z]

See Jake whatever exactly the **** it is you do for a living, my opinion on something in that wheelhouse you've spent years working in is automatically inferior to yours because of your well earned expertise. And I wouldn't be such an insufferable knob as to assert otherwise.

 

There are plenty of immigrants and plenty of workies who actually listen to people who are experts. And no, before you jump on that, I don't mean me. You, however, are Ralph Wiggum, having merely googled what you already believed to fulfill your confirmation bias, and maybe read a used copy of Everything I Don't Like is Virtue Signalling: A Constipated Nazi Child's Guide to Politics or some such.

Oh and, for what it's worth, the very idea of virtue signalling is really very creepy. Someone who thinks the way you'd need to, to post what you just did, is basically saying that any expression of moral conviction is inevitably based on ulterior, self-serving motives--really turns the lens inward.

[Sidelight]

10 hours ago, jake said:

Well I suppose it's less of a problem than dropping bombs every single day of his presidency.

Or through American agencies furthering American hegemony through interfering in elections.

Creating fake news for fake wars.

 

A few tanks is just the bare face .

 

As for fireworks mate we really have no idea.

Shock and awe was healthy though.

 

And I expect Syrian people were glad .

 

 

Sometimes people eviscerate themselves on the rubble of a confused culture.

Trump hatred goes before all.

If you stand on the left extreme, you can slander and curse here without corollary development or so it seems.

You can bookend an individual as evil, racist, a brown child hating fascist and be applauded.

Reject their perceived reality and let the rant begin. An apology from the heart of humility yet to be discovered within their conscience.

Stand with the world they say and you will be fine. It’s a lie.

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by alfajambo

[jake]

2 hours ago, alfajambo said:

Sometimes people eviscerate themselves on the rubble of a confused culture.

Trump hatred goes before all.

If you stand on the left extreme, you can slander and curse here without corollary development or so it seems.

You can bookend an individual as evil, racist, a brown child hating fascist and be applauded.

Reject their perceived reality and let the rant begin. An apology from the heart of humility yet to be discovered within their conscience.

Stand with the world they say and you will be fine. It’s a lie.

 

I've been handed my arse on a plate a few times on here mate.

I dont mind.

Theres some good and clever posters on here.

I definitely am not racist though.

 

Immigration is a good thing of course.

But people are really kidding themselves if they think it should not be controlled.

 

Ideally wealth would be spread so that people are not forced to take desperate measures.

When immigration is controlled through visas etc it's often highly qualified or skilled workers who uptake this.

Probably to the detriment of the country they leave.

When its uncontrolled then it is to the detriment of the poor to the country they arrive at.

Housing health education and wages.

 

It's not racist to say that nor does it make you a baby killer.

 

[Francis Albert]

Parading tanks is a tacky and infantile exercise. The USA has no need to demonstrate its military might which it does often enough in real wars. But anyone who has spent time in America discovers there is a surprising militaristic element of the culture. Go to a show or sports event and there is a fair chance you will hear someone  celebrating "our military and the great job they do", as will be the case if someone turns up in a TV game show in military uniform, which happens quite frequently (although not as frequently as how many of the contestants are "pastors" or are related to such).  Shops, car sale outlets and many more often offer special offers or discounts to the military. Of course a man who has ran away from any risk of military service himself has no right to indulge in this sort of display.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Francis Albert

[Sidelight]

1 hour ago, jake said:

I've been handed my arse on a plate a few times on here mate.

I dont mind.

Theres some good and clever posters on here.

I definitely am not racist though.

 

Immigration is a good thing of course.

But people are really kidding themselves if they think it should not be controlled.

 

Ideally wealth would be spread so that people are not forced to take desperate measures.

When immigration is controlled through visas etc it's often highly qualified or skilled workers who uptake this.

Probably to the detriment of the country they leave.

When its uncontrolled then it is to the detriment of the poor to the country they arrive at.

Housing health education and wages.

 

It's not racist to say that nor does it make you a baby killer.

 

It seems that Trumped-up hatred supersedes all reality.

Those who reject the Bolshevik idealised political and worldviews seem to be reserialised as evil and intolerant racists and brown child hating fascist bigots.  And they describe all through a pin hole viewed digital world. It’s amazing.

Self-esteem and respect are not built on the ingratiating comments of your adherents. Thankfully.

[Justin Z]

10 minutes ago, alfajambo said:

It seems that Trumped-up hatred supersedes all reality.

Those who reject the Bolshevik idealised political and worldviews seem to be reserialised as evil and intolerant racists and brown child hating fascist bigots.  And they describe all through a pin hole viewed digital world. It’s amazing.

Self-esteem and respect are not built on the ingratiating comments of your adherents. Thankfully.

 

?? STOP ?? SUPPORTING ?? FASCIST ?? RAPIST ?? CRIMINALS ?? WHO ?? RIP ?? FAMILIES ?? APART ?? AND ?? STUFF ?? THEM ?? IN ?? CONCENTRATION ?? CAMPS ?? IF ?? YOU ?? DON'T ?? WANT ?? TO ?? BE ?? CALLED ?? CHILD ?? HATING, ?? FASCIST, ?? OR ?? RACIST, ?? MR ?? "CHRISTIAN"??

 

?? HATRED ?? OF ?? SUCH ?? HORRIFIC ?? THINGS ?? SUPERSEDES ?? YOUR ?? FAUX ?? MORALITY ??

 

?? INTOLERANCE ?? OF ?? SUCH ?? ATROCITY ?? WHILE ?? NOT ?? GIVING ?? A ?? TOSS ?? ABOUT ?? THE ?? PERPETRATORS'  ?? AND ?? THEIR ?? SUPPORTERS' ?? SELF-ESTEEM ?? OR ?? RESPECT ?? IS ?? THE ?? UNAMBIGUOUSLY ?? MORALLY ?? RIGHT ?? THING ?? TO ?? DO ??

Edited July 4, 2019 by Justin Z