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I gather he’s now been bragging about the size of the crowds he “attracted” whilst on his mission to bring comfort to the afflicted.

 

I hope he doesn’t let the whole tragic episode put him off his golf game this weekend.

 

 

 

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The Real Maroonblood
6 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Indeed. Did you see this one ? 

 

 

Yes, I saw that one.

Like something from the Wild West.

Wait a minute.........

Absolutely disgusting.

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3 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Yes, I saw that one.

Like something from the Wild West.

Wait a minute.........

Absolutely disgusting.

I'd say more like the Klan. 

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2 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

I'd say more like the Klan. 

 

Correct. This is how you'd be led to be lynched.

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On 08/08/2019 at 03:13, I P Knightley said:

What 'other types of supremacist' are there, other than white supremacists? It's as embarrassing as his mealy-mouthed 'good people on both sides' crap.

 

On 08/08/2019 at 08:33, Justin Z said:

He mentioned Antifa--the whole thing with Antifa from the start has been to create a false dichotomy that he can then pretend to be reasonably in the middle of.

 

All part of the plan.

 

Kellyanne Conway Defends Tucker Carlson, Says White Supremacy Gets 'Outsized Coverage' Compared to Antifa

 

"I think perhaps what Tucker is saying, but you'd have to ask him, is that the outsized coverage it gets versus all forms of hate," the Trump administration official said, pointing specifically to the left-wing ideology of Antifa and calling out anti-semitism.

 

A fully coordinated, cross-Atlantic plan, no less.

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16 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

Unknown to me until now.

 

Not any more though.

 

Thanks, chaps.

 

:thumbsup: Appreciate the hat-tip.

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I can imagine the rush on here in full chub on mode (from certain posters) to buy tickets for "The Hunt" assuming it ever gets released in the UK. 

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16 hours ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Indeed. Did you see this one ? 

 

 

I am always a supporter of the police and their actions, but as in everything there is a point when one says too much too much, its 2019.

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On 08/08/2019 at 14:07, Francis Albert said:

Hindu supremacists are running India at the moment and have just taken over part of mainly Muslim Kashmir.

True. But I doubt that big Donald knew that. 

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Trump really is a classless individual, grinning and giving thumbs up, whilst posing for a photo with the 2 month old baby whose parents had been gunned down and killed in El Paso.

 

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By all means get a photo of you standing next to the child, but smiling away and giving the thumbs up, nah that's just showing how ignorant you are Donald.

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14 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Trump really is a classless individual, grinning and giving thumbs up, whilst posing for a photo with the 2 month old baby whose parents had been gunned down and killed in El Paso.

 

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By all means get a photo of you standing next to the child, but smiling away and giving the thumbs up, nah that's just showing how ignorant you are Donald.

A classless cretin.

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I want to make it clear first and foremost that I am NOT a supporter of Trump. I am a socialist at heart and I'm definitely not defending him. However...

 

When people talk about how dangerous he is, and how he is a complete loony who will destroy the earth and mankind etc etc, I must admit I sigh a bit.

 

I don't remember anybody speaking about Obama in the manner they speak about Trump. The truth is Obama killed and started more conflict than Trump has done or will do. All you have to do is see the state of Libya (or Syria for that matter), which is run by countless lawless factions.

 

George Bush killed a million (and rising every day) people in Iraq FFS.

 

Vietnam was literally flattened going back to the 60's. The list really does go on.

 

Trump has, it could be argued, done quite a decent job for the people of America, certainly economically. He has also seeked peace with North Korea, even meeting Kim Jong Un, which no other president has done.

 

I hate that he recognised Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, as I am a staunch defender of palastine people's rights.

 

However, I sometimes think that we fail to recognise that Trump is not dislike any of his many predecessors.

 

I think that sometimes people actually come across as a bit foolish with the things they write on this thread - I don't mean that offensively btw. The only difference between Trump and most before him isn't much imo. 

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North Korea has restarted missile tests, cancelled talks, and Trump today hoots that he got a beautiful letter from KIm. You have quoted quite abit of history, well I'll give you one, Chamberlain waving a letter from Hitler proudly announcing peace in our time. Aye right.

You must listen to Trump and I confess I don't hear him say anything good, but when he makes statements like "I love him" about a dictator, I have to question his mental ability.

When he stands in Air Force One and denies bluntly in front of cameras that he had anything to do with payoffs during the election campaign to a porn star, he was too stupid to realise this was on tape and available to the world.

He lies so often that I personally now do not believe a word he says.

He has referred to people as cowards if that is not calling the kettle black I don't know.

He has incited his adoring crowds to chant racist calls about elec ted politicians.

He has failed to produce one of his financial records because he knows they hold some evidence of financial malfeasance.

He attended a City where many poor souls have been murdered and their families devastated in grief, and he takes the opportunity to pose for pictures with big smiles thumbs up and boasts about geting bigger crowds than crazy Beto at their respective El Paso rallies, if these are not the actions of a person with a serious phsychological weakness then I am as stupid as some think I am.

I won't even mention in a comprehensive way his connection to Putin.

Yes presidents have made mistakes, goes with the job, leadership is not easy, especially when you depend on good information of your aides, but Bush, Obama, and Clinton despite hisn error in judgement all acted like Presidents in a time of chaos and action, Trump has failed in his test.

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39 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

North Korea has restarted missile tests, cancelled talks, and Trump today hoots that he got a beautiful letter from KIm. You have quoted quite abit of history, well I'll give you one, Chamberlain waving a letter from Hitler proudly announcing peace in our time. Aye right.

You must listen to Trump and I confess I don't hear him say anything good, but when he makes statements like "I love him" about a dictator, I have to question his mental ability.

When he stands in Air Force One and denies bluntly in front of cameras that he had anything to do with payoffs during the election campaign to a porn star, he was too stupid to realise this was on tape and available to the world.

He lies so often that I personally now do not believe a word he says.

He has referred to people as cowards if that is not calling the kettle black I don't know.

He has incited his adoring crowds to chant racist calls about elec ted politicians.

He has failed to produce one of his financial records because he knows they hold some evidence of financial malfeasance.

He attended a City where many poor souls have been murdered and their families devastated in grief, and he takes the opportunity to pose for pictures with big smiles thumbs up and boasts about geting bigger crowds than crazy Beto at their respective El Paso rallies, if these are not the actions of a person with a serious phsychological weakness then I am as stupid as some think I am.

I won't even mention in a comprehensive way his connection to Putin.

Yes presidents have made mistakes, goes with the job, leadership is not easy, especially when you depend on good information of your aides, but Bush, Obama, and Clinton despite hisn error in judgement all acted like Presidents in a time of chaos and action, Trump has failed in his test.

 

"Made mistakes" - Bush killed a million people in Iraq for God's sake. Every day that number increases. We will still feel the effects of his "error in judgement" in a hundred year's time.

 

Obama has killed countless numbers in Libya and caused a country to become what is now a stateless, lawless, death trap of fractions.

 

North Korea hasn't "restarted" missile tests - it has continued to conduct short range missile tests which were never part of the agreement.

 

On the subject of North Korea, America literally flattened the whole of North Korea with its bombing campaign in the 50's. Killed MILLIONS.

 

I apologise for saying this but your comments are probably the most relevant to what I was making reference about.

 

I dislike Trump, disagree with almost all of his policies, and I think he's a poor excuse for a man.

 

However, he's no worse than most of the previous that went before him. In fact, his rap sheet is less evil than most of them.

 

Why is talking to dictators (which I wouldn't describe Putin as incidentally, but the politics of Russia is probably not what we're referring to) so wrong?. What you want a cold war type situation again? Who did that help? Did you not serve for the queen when you were younger Bob? How was she voted in? I'm just wondering...

 

I just don't get why you've written so extensively about Trump but I didn't see the same effort with Bush or Obama.

 

I've said before, I like your input on threads but I still think some of the stuff you've written on here is questionable at least. No disrespect intended.

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29 minutes ago, Tynieman said:

 

"Made mistakes" - Bush killed a million people in Iraq for God's sake. Every day that number increases. We will still feel the effects of his "error in judgement" in a hundred year's time.

 

Obama has killed countless numbers in Libya and caused a country to become what is now a stateless, lawless, death trap of fractions.

 

North Korea hasn't "restarted" missile tests - it has continued to conduct short range missile tests which were never part of the agreement.

 

On the subject of North Korea, America literally flattened the whole of North Korea with its bombing campaign in the 50's. Killed MILLIONS.

 

I apologise for saying this but your comments are probably the most relevant to what I was making reference about.

 

I dislike Trump, disagree with almost all of his policies, and I think he's a poor excuse for a man.

 

However, he's no worse than most of the previous that went before him. In fact, his rap sheet is less evil than most of them.

 

Why is talking to dictators (which I wouldn't describe Putin as incidentally, but the politics of Russia is probably not what we're referring to) so wrong?. What you want a cold war type situation again? Who did that help? Did you not serve for the queen when you were younger Bob? How was she voted in? I'm just wondering...

 

I just don't get why you've written so extensively about Trump but I didn't see the same effort with Bush or Obama.

 

I've said before, I like your input on threads but I still think some of the stuff you've written on here is questionable at least. No disrespect intended.

 

We just have to agree to disagree, no disrespect taken, we have our views and we state them thats what disc ussion boards are about.

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6 minutes ago, bobsharp said:

 

We just have to agree to disagree, no disrespect taken, we have our views and we state them thats what disc ussion boards are about.

 

You're still a gentleman sir :thumbs_up:

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@Tynieman, I definitely "get" where you're coming from here. Still, consider the possibility you might've fallen prey to a combination of, call it, "immediate versus potential/long-term results-oriented thinking", and a certain detachment from the deep goings-on in the American political establishment--it wouldn't be all that surprising or unusual, if you've never lived in the States.

 

An extremely long-form piece of journalism was just published a couple of days ago and I was reading it earlier today--and then I came across your post.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/is-there-hope-for-the-american-republic-after-trump.html

 

There's a really long section going over the history of the Roman Empire as sort of background, and then it gets into the meat of just how Trump has taken a wrecking ball to really important protections in the American system--run completely roughshod over them (with decades of help--but still). If you thought what America was capable of (or the people capable of ignoring, if you like) when Bush II or Obama were president was a horror, well, now that Trump has torn it all down, we're in for a real treat.

 

Some highlights. Does this sound like representative democracy?
 

No one in the American system at this level has ever behaved like this before, crudely trampling on republican practices, scoffing at the rule of law, targeting individual citizens for calumny, openly demonizing his opponents, calling a free press treasonous, deploying deceit impulsively, skirting the boundaries of mental illness, bragging of sexual assault, delegitimizing his own government when it showed even a flicker of independence — and yet he almost instantly commanded the near-total loyalty of an entire political party, and of 40 percent of the country, and this loyalty has barely wavered.


If republicanism at its core is a suspicion of one-man rule, and that suspicion is the central animating principle of the American experiment in self-government, Trump has effectively suspended it for the past three years and normalized strongman politics in America. Nothing and no one in his administration matters except him, as he constantly reminds us.

. . .

t is very much the present and greeted either with enthusiastic support from the GOP or growing numbness and acceptance by the broader public.

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After a period in which he was amazed that his attorney general would follow legal ethics rather than the boss’s instructions, he has now finally appointed one to protect him personally, pursue his political opponents, and defend an extreme theory of presidential Article 2 power. Checked for the first time this year by a Democratic House, he has responded the way a monarch would — by simply refusing, in an unprecedentedly total fashion, to cooperate with any congressional investigation of anything in his administration. Far from being transparent to prove his lack of corruption, he has actively sued anyone seeking any information on his finances. He has declared a phony emergency to justify seizing and using congressional funds for a purpose specifically opposed by the Congress, building a wall on the southern border, and gotten away with it. He has taken his authority to negotiate tariffs in a national-security emergency and turned it into a routine part of presidential conduct to wage a general trade war. And he has enabled an army of grifters and opportunists to line their pockets or accumulate perks at public expense — as long as they never utter a word of criticism.

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He has also definitively shown that a president can accept support from a foreign power to get elected, attempt to shut down any inquiry into his crimes, obstruct justice, suborn perjury from an aide, get caught … and get away with all of it.

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In politics, words are not separate from acts; words are acts. Republican norms that are constantly denigrated by their purported leaders tend to disappear. And no single figure has done as much damage to that legitimacy in American history as Trump. He does not even feign respect for democratic norms.
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That's a ton and it's maybe 10% of the article. If you do have the chance to read the entire thing, it's fascinating. But what it gets at very effectively in my opinion is just how Trump is different, is much "worse than most of the previous who went before him", contrary to what you've claimed. Sure, he has been enabled in part by failings on both sides of the aisle, of Congress delegating its duties to the Executive and failing to rein it in when it needed to, for going on decades. As Thomas More said to William Roper in A Man for All Seasons, after the latter exclaimed he'd "cut down every law in England" to "get after the Devil", " And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? ... if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?"

In comparison to me, the author is an optimist and a patient man. The way I see it, the world is about to find out if it can stand upright against what's left of this crumbling empire--its end hastened by Donald Trump. And if the way it's behaved up to now is any indication, it's going to go out with a bang, not a whimper.

 

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Oh yeah, and you may have noticed BoJo trying on some of this centuries of convention-ignoring, dictatorish stuff already, too. Not a coincidence, imo.

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8 hours ago, Tynieman said:

I want to make it clear first and foremost that I am NOT a supporter of Trump. I am a socialist at heart and I'm definitely not defending him. However...

 

When people talk about how dangerous he is, and how he is a complete loony who will destroy the earth and mankind etc etc, I must admit I sigh a bit.

 

I don't remember anybody speaking about Obama in the manner they speak about Trump. The truth is Obama killed and started more conflict than Trump has done or will do. All you have to do is see the state of Libya (or Syria for that matter), which is run by countless lawless factions.

 

George Bush killed a million (and rising every day) people in Iraq FFS.

 

Vietnam was literally flattened going back to the 60's. The list really does go on.

 

Trump has, it could be argued, done quite a decent job for the people of America, certainly economically. He has also seeked peace with North Korea, even meeting Kim Jong Un, which no other president has done.

 

I hate that he recognised Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, as I am a staunch defender of palastine people's rights.

 

However, I sometimes think that we fail to recognise that Trump is not dislike any of his many predecessors.

 

I think that sometimes people actually come across as a bit foolish with the things they write on this thread - I don't mean that offensively btw. The only difference between Trump and most before him isn't much imo. 

:rofl:

 

 

He's Adolf with more fire power and Media outlets. 

 

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6 hours ago, Justin Z said:

Oh yeah, and you may have noticed BoJo trying on some of this centuries of convention-ignoring, dictatorish stuff already, too. Not a coincidence, imo.

I was reading, can't remember where. The US and UK are already making it harder to vote. Have you any knowledge of this?

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4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I was reading, can't remember where. The US and UK are already making it harder to vote. Have you any knowledge of this?

 

Oh yes. Republicans claim an epidemic of illegal immigrants voting in elections. There are no known arrests, no verifiable stories, nothing. The only vote fraud for which there ever is, involves people gathering other people's mail-in ballots and filling them all out.

 

Trump directed someone in his administration, I forget who (it might've been Barr actually), to produce evidence of this. None was ever found. Regardless, Republicans have been actively passing voter suppression laws in various states. Not so at the federal level--yet.

 

Republicans continue to claim, despite the lack of evidence, that millions of undocumented immigrants voted in the 2016 election, and that Democrats, by blocking efforts to pass nationwide voter ID laws, are pandering to people who "aren't murricans".

 

Keep in mind, Republicans are the same party who claim they want a weak national government that doesn't do things like issue national voter IDs because that's the opposite of "small government conservatism". Then again, so is entire agencies devoted to terrorising brown people, but they love that too. This is but a small part of why people suspect many Republicans are by and large simply racist, rather than actually conservative.

 

US mid-terms: What are the claims of voter suppression?

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16 hours ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Trump really is a classless individual, grinning and giving thumbs up, whilst posing for a photo with the 2 month old baby whose parents had been gunned down and killed in El Paso.

 

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By all means get a photo of you standing next to the child, but smiling away and giving the thumbs up, nah that's just showing how ignorant you are Donald.

Even the most ardent of Trump supporters or the 'I'm normally Labour, but I like him' (cos he's a racist) must recognise once in a while he is an effing moron.

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45 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Even the most ardent of Trump supporters or the 'I'm normally Labour, but I like him' (cos he's a racist) must recognise once in a while he is an effing moron.

 

If you think so, don't read the Twitter comments around this photo and his campaign propaganda video from Dayton

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1 hour ago, Justin Z said:

 

Oh yes. Republicans claim an epidemic of illegal immigrants voting in elections. There are no known arrests, no verifiable stories, nothing. The only vote fraud for which there ever is, involves people gathering other people's mail-in ballots and filling them all out.

 

Trump directed someone in his administration, I forget who (it might've been Barr actually), to produce evidence of this. None was ever found. Regardless, Republicans have been actively passing voter suppression laws in various states. Not so at the federal level--yet.

 

Republicans continue to claim, despite the lack of evidence, that millions of undocumented immigrants voted in the 2016 election, and that Democrats, by blocking efforts to pass nationwide voter ID laws, are pandering to people who "aren't murricans".

 

Keep in mind, Republicans are the same party who claim they want a weak national government that doesn't do things like issue national voter IDs because that's the opposite of "small government conservatism". Then again, so is entire agencies devoted to terrorising brown people, but they love that too. This is but a small part of why people suspect many Republicans are by and large simply racist, rather than actually conservative.

 

US mid-terms: What are the claims of voter suppression?

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2 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

If you think so, don't read the Twitter comments around this photo and his campaign propaganda video from Dayton

My comment was aimed more towards  some of my own family members twats - pals - Hearts fans here I know.

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12 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

My comment was aimed more towards  some of my own family members twats - pals - Hearts fans here I know.

 

Ah yeah, fair dos. To be honest, what you're talking about is even more baffling to me, which I would've hardly thought possible.

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40 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Ah yeah, fair dos. To be honest, what you're talking about is even more baffling to me, which I would've hardly thought possible.

Same folk that were critical of US gun laws on social media up till 2016 and now silent.

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Bernie Sanders is on the Joe Rogan Experience (YouTube). If anyone is interested.

 

Apparently did a bang-up job as well.

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Apparently did a bang-up job as well.

I haven't watched it all. I will later. From what I did see, the pharmaceutical companies won't be too pleased.

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Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory that the Clintons had Epstein killed yesterday.

 

We're desensitised. It seems kind of meh, because it's Trump. But like the article says, stop and think for a minute about what that actually means... It means the president of the United States accused a former president of conspiring to murder someone.

 

There is not going to be anything left of the States once he is done with it.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Barack said:

I'd bet good money he didn't even read it. A bit like his daily intelligence briefings. Like, well...most things that go across his desk.

 

He sees the buzzwords, and thinks: "My base will love these"...send.

 

Yep, totally plausible. Still making rags out of the fabric of the institution and legitimacy of the presidency nonetheless.

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8 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Yep, totally plausible. Still making rags out of the fabric of the institution and legitimacy of the presidency nonetheless.

The non Bernie side of the democrat party are just as bad or worse than Trump and his SS.

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1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

The non Bernie side of the democrat party are just as bad or worse than Trump and his SS.

 

Unless you have something of substance to back up that assertion with, especially in light of the article above that takes great pains detailing, imo unassailably, how Trump is significantly different than anything ever seen in America before, just leave it.

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1 hour ago, Barack said:

I'd bet good money he didn't even read it. A bit like his daily intelligence briefings. Like, well...most things that go across his desk.

 

He sees the buzzwords, and thinks: "My base will love these"...send.

 

 

I read an article which said that Trump's advisors/aides have been told to include his name at regular intervals in reports and memos as this is the only way to keep him interested in reading them fully. Could be bullshit but wouldn't surprise me at all if true.

 

Regarding Trump not having as much blood on his hands as his predecessors, whilst true, would he have acted differently if he was president when Saddam invaded Kuwait or when 9/11 happened? A bit of a moot point I know.

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6 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Unless you have something of substance to back up that assertion with, especially in light of the article above that takes great pains detailing, imo unassailably, how Trump is significantly different than anything ever seen in America before, just leave it.

Why? 

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I saw a flash of a cartoon on TV this morning. It was so apt that it was almost brilliant. It shows the usual cartoon type Trump saying to another charcter, "but if you believe it, it isn't a lie is it."

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I see Scaramucci on the news stating he is withdrawing all his support from Trump. I don't know how big a deal it is but he was close to Trump at one stage.

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I see Scaramucci on the news stating he is withdrawing all his support from Trump. I don't know how big a deal it is but he was close to Trump at one stage.

 

Kind of reminiscent of this, my feelings about Scaramucci . . .

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I just watched Hardball on MSNBC, Chris Matthews just showed a few Trump statements. On video, from the mans mouth, not reported by someone else Donald Trump speaking.

When the Twin Towers were being destroyed he watched it happen, he also could see Jersey City and thousands and thousands of people were in the streets cheering.

President Obama was not born in the United States.

President Obama was a founder of ISIS.

Ted Cruz's father killed John Kennedy.

It is unbelievable to watch this man, a reality TV star who having worked in the business does not seem to realise  what recording means. He constantly makes statements then denies them and just goes on despite the statement being shown publicly on video.

I take willingly criticisms that I have a lot to say about Trump, all negative. I will say that I have stated regularly that lies and hate, are two terms I dislike, and have absolutely no respect for those that use them, Trump however is  like calling cancer a small infection.

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5 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

Kind of reminiscent of this, my feelings about Scaramucci . . .

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I think he has realised that an online argument with Trump will put him back in the public eye.

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1 hour ago, Notts1874 said:

I think he has realised that an online argument with Trump will put him back in the public eye.

 

You're more than likely spot on.

Anyone who has ever given that arsehole credence is in it for one reason, and it's not for anyone else's benefit.. He's just as big of a slimeball.

Politics is infested with people wishing to "selflessly serve the people".

 

No, I don't have an alternative. It's all shite!

 

 

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2 hours ago, bobsharp said:

I just watched Hardball on MSNBC, Chris Matthews just showed a few Trump statements. On video, from the mans mouth, not reported by someone else Donald Trump speaking.

When the Twin Towers were being destroyed he watched it happen, he also could see Jersey City and thousands and thousands of people were in the streets cheering.

President Obama was not born in the United States.

President Obama was a founder of ISIS.

Ted Cruz's father killed John Kennedy.

It is unbelievable to watch this man, a reality TV star who having worked in the business does not seem to realise  what recording means. He constantly makes statements then denies them and just goes on despite the statement being shown publicly on video.

I take willingly criticisms that I have a lot to say about Trump, all negative. I will say that I have stated regularly that lies and hate, are two terms I dislike, and have absolutely no respect for those that use them, Trump however is  like calling cancer a small infection.

 

Exactly one year ago, Trump's approval rating among Americans was 41.9%.

 

Despite everything that's happened since then ... all the lies, all the outrageous statements, the racism, the Mueller investigation that concluded he repeatedly broke the law by obstructing justice ... his approval rating is now 42.0%  

 

 

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Money from a retirement program for US military, or as it's more commonly known, Mexico.

 

Money from a retirement program for the US military is set to be diverted to pay for Trump's border wall

 

As the ACLU continues litigation to block the use of military funds for border-wall funding, Pentagon officials announced this week which programs would lose Defense Department funds to build the wall, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Notably, it said about $224 million would be taken from the Blended Retirement System, which combines elements of the military's retirement system with a system offering benefits similar to civilian 401(k) programs.

 

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So Trump tells Israel to ban two members of Congress from visiting Israel. Israel conform. MSM shows Trump in the past describing the two women as vicious, crazy and other insulting descriptive terms. Isn't it strange in life when there is a liar, or mentally ill person they see it as everyone else has the problem but they are o.k. Trump fits the bill to me, I would say he is in fact the classical example of the person with problems. As in all the other people with problems I have met, one cannot help but have a degree of sympathy, but I have none in this mans case.

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5 hours ago, bobsharp said:

So Trump tells Israel to ban two members of Congress from visiting Israel. Israel conform. MSM shows Trump in the past describing the two women as vicious, crazy and other insulting descriptive terms. Isn't it strange in life when there is a liar, or mentally ill person they see it as everyone else has the problem but they are o.k. Trump fits the bill to me, I would say he is in fact the classical example of the person with problems. As in all the other people with problems I have met, one cannot help but have a degree of sympathy, but I have none in this mans case.

 

Bob, the man is a real estate con man, who is a proven liar, racist, misogynist, self-confessed abuser of women. 

 

You shouldn't be surprised at anything he says or does.

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10 hours ago, bobsharp said:

So Trump tells Israel to ban two members of Congress from visiting Israel. Israel conform. MSM shows Trump in the past describing the two women as vicious, crazy and other insulting descriptive terms. Isn't it strange in life when there is a liar, or mentally ill person they see it as everyone else has the problem but they are o.k. Trump fits the bill to me, I would say he is in fact the classical example of the person with problems. As in all the other people with problems I have met, one cannot help but have a degree of sympathy, but I have none in this mans case.

 

 

Tbh leaving aside Trump I don’t get the hysteria of them being ‘banned’ from Israel in the first place. Both have repeatedly slandered and criticised Israel even calling it racist yet they expect to be entitled to enter it when they choose? Why, just because they’re a fairly insignificant minor ‘politician’? There’s(I think) around 430 members in the House of Representatives, and both of them could quite easily not even be re-elected. It’s not like a President, Prime minister etc has been banned.

 

I’m not even specifically referring to Israel, in general the hypocrisy of repeatedly publicly bad mouthing a country and then taking a hissy fit when you’re told to piss off when you ask for a visa is idiocy. 

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Think the main thing is they've never once badmouthed the country or its people, contrary to what the opportunists calling them anti-semitic claim--they've badmouthed its administration and government.

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