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The Mighty Thor
2 hours ago, Craig_ said:

 

The Epstein stuff, perhaps?

No idea. Possibly. 

 

He might just be totally unhinged though.

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13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No idea. Possibly. 

 

He might just be totally unhinged though.

 

It's funny, I've read some mad conspiracy stuff online, and most of these types seem to believe this is going to clear out the Democrats. Wishful thinking on their part, I'd suggest.

 

If anything, it'll go the way of Yewtree here, where a few celebs are thrown to the wolves, and the real perpetrators are protected.

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On 15/07/2019 at 07:52, Justin Z said:

There is an American guy I know from cricket, originally from India but that now has American citizenship, who is a friend of mine of Facebook and former teammate. He has always been a really nice, funny guy, but he's also an evangelical nutjob and rabid anti-progressive and Trump supporter. To wit:

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The utter stupidity and intentional point missing of this meme is well beyond being worthy of discussion, and I had already ranted and told him to enjoy his Kristallnacht before Trump's tweets about AOC, Tlaib, Omar and Pressley, but I finally levelled with him in a more serious tone yesterday following that. Just basically said, earnestly, to always carry his passport now, as ICE have detained thousands of straight up citizens up to this point--something that had seen a sharp uptick since Trump got elected--and even had veterans on deportation lists. Given those tweets, I said I wasn't sure how much longer even that would protect him. It's actually scary.

 

Welcome to Gilead.

 

Under his eye...

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4 hours ago, Craig_ said:

 

It's funny, I've read some mad conspiracy stuff online, and most of these types seem to believe this is going to clear out the Democrats. Wishful thinking on their part, I'd suggest.

 

If anything, it'll go the way of Yewtree here, where a few celebs are thrown to the wolves, and the real perpetrators are protected.

 

Normally I would agree with that, but that New York Court and I am repeating myself here, but do so because I strongly believe that Trump is mentioned and possibly even photographed in the evidence they have recovered. He has to fight to stay President because the day he is ousted he no longer has the protection from indictment he presently uses. He may have his base, but I can honestly say I have never seen a President so comprehensively disliked, and who is subjected to so much ridicule. The Lindsay Grahams of the world are cowards and will run for the hills when the hatchet starts to fall on necks.

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1 minute ago, bobsharp said:

 

Normally I would agree with that, but that New York Court and I am repeating myself here, but do so because I strongly believe that Trump is mentioned and possibly even photographed in the evidence they have recovered. He has to fight to stay President because the day he is ousted he no longer has the protection from indictment he presently uses. He may have his base, but I can honestly say I have never seen a President so comprehensively disliked, and who is subjected to so much ridicule. The Lindsay Grahams of the world are cowards and will run for the hills when the hatchet starts to fall on necks.

 

Indeed. Kind of what I was getting at. Everyone seems to assume this is going to wipe out their enemies.

 

Either way, should be some serious fallout, and hopefully a lot less predators at large afterwards.

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2 hours ago, bobsharp said:

 

Normally I would agree with that, but that New York Court and I am repeating myself here, but do so because I strongly believe that Trump is mentioned and possibly even photographed in the evidence they have recovered. He has to fight to stay President because the day he is ousted he no longer has the protection from indictment he presently uses. He may have his base, but I can honestly say I have never seen a President so comprehensively disliked, and who is subjected to so much ridicule. The Lindsay Grahams of the world are cowards and will run for the hills when the hatchet starts to fall on necks.

This, and the cuffs are waiting.

 

I must add, I think he'll do a runner to Russia or N Korea.

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1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

This, and the cuffs are waiting.

 

I must add, I think he'll do a runner to Russia or N Korea.

I doubt he will be going to North Korea just saw on the news that Kim is about to restart nuclear testing and is pissed at Trump and USA about failure to remove sanctions. Kim is also upset that US and South Korea will be restarting miltary exercises. You know there is nothing worse than a lover scorned.

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When being asked about Trump's racist tweet, Kelly Ann Conway responds by asking the reporter what their ethnicity is.

 

:notsure:

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1 hour ago, bobsharp said:

I doubt he will be going to North Korea just saw on the news that Kim is about to restart nuclear testing and is pissed at Trump and USA about failure to remove sanctions. Kim is also upset that US and South Korea will be restarting miltary exercises. You know there is nothing worse than a lover scorned.

 

:rofl:

 

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32 minutes ago, Cade said:

When being asked about Trump's racist tweet, Kelly Ann Conway responds by asking the reporter what their ethnicity is.

 

:notsure:

 

I don't know why anyone talks to that appalling woman. Trump could do anything, anything, and she would say make excuses for it.

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Mitch McConnel all wishy washy about Trumps racist tweets, I guess all the Republicans complicit in Trumps wrongdoings will show their courage and mettle like Paul Ryan an Ass licker of the top order who suddenly now having written a book identifies Trump for what he really is.  Sorry Paul if you had shown some balls and done it when you were in government I would have had some respect for you, I now see you as a eunuch trying to regain what you probably never had, some dignity.

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Donnie probably did these outrageous racist tweets to deflect from Mueller appearing in Congress but he's been delayed until next week. The clown will need to keep it boiling seven more days. 

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7 hours ago, bobsharp said:

Mitch McConnel all wishy washy about Trumps racist tweets, I guess all the Republicans complicit in Trumps wrongdoings will show their courage and mettle like Paul Ryan an Ass licker of the top order who suddenly now having written a book identifies Trump for what he really is.  Sorry Paul if you had shown some balls and done it when you were in government I would have had some respect for you, I now see you as a eunuch trying to regain what you probably never had, some dignity.

 

”If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

 

- Samuel Adams, speech in Philadelphia, 1776

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8 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

”If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

 

- Samuel Adams, speech in Philadelphia, 1776

 

When you compare that eloquence to Trump's childish slavering, it puts into perspective just how unsuitable Trump is for the job.

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Francis Albert
1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

When you compare that eloquence to Trump's childish slavering, it puts into perspective just how unsuitable Trump is for the job.

While I agree with you about Trump I think it actually puts into perspective the level of political discourse today, the responses and  reaction to Trump (and to Boris and Jeremy for that matter) in much the same mediocre and sound-bite league as Trump and his apologists. Trump no doubt bottom of the league but few if any in a higher league.

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2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

While I agree with you about Trump I think it actually puts into perspective the level of political discourse today, the responses and  reaction to Trump (and to Boris and Jeremy for that matter) in much the same mediocre and sound-bite league as Trump and his apologists. Trump no doubt bottom of the league but few if any in a higher league.

 

Yes, the level of discourse in the USA right now is awful.  Trump has led the charge, but both sides are culpable.

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1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

While I agree with you about Trump I think it actually puts into perspective the level of political discourse today, the responses and  reaction to Trump (and to Boris and Jeremy for that matter) in much the same mediocre and sound-bite league as Trump and his apologists. Trump no doubt bottom of the league but few if any in a higher league.

 

Hmm...for all his faults, I reckon Corbyn at least has a semblance of ideological discourse about him. Sanders in the US too.

 

Perhaps both lack charisma, but intellectually they tower over Trump.

 

I also think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has something about her too.

 

In European terms, Merkel was head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

In the UK, there aren't that many, especially the leaders as they are all trained in the art of media rather than policy (see Corbyn - why did he get the best labour vote since 1945?)  But Labour could really do with getting the good back benchers on side fast!

 

Closer to home, Sturgeon is decent, whether you like her or not.  Possibly one of the best politicians in the UK.

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Rodger Mellie
42 minutes ago, Barack said:

Playing a blinder against The Squad & the Dems.

 

Great drama.

Yep, ‘The Squad’ are currently at the forefront of the Dems, much to the chagrin of Pelosi.

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58 minutes ago, Barack said:

Playing a blinder against The Squad & the Dems.

 

Great drama.

The squad?

 

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Just now, Barack said:

It's what the American Media called the 4 Congresswomen involved, before all this kicked off.

 

Depending on what party or media outlet you listen too, the nickname's reasoning differs.

 

Trump & his two wee elves, have hit the button on this one, and achieved the spin they wanted. Sad as that is.

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Francis Albert
42 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Hmm...for all his faults, I reckon Corbyn at least has a semblance of ideological discourse about him. Sanders in the US too.

 

Perhaps both lack charisma, but intellectually they tower over Trump.

 

I also think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has something about her too.

 

In European terms, Merkel was head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

In the UK, there aren't that many, especially the leaders as they are all trained in the art of media rather than policy (see Corbyn - why did he get the best labour vote since 1945?)  But Labour could really do with getting the good back benchers on side fast!

 

Closer to home, Sturgeon is decent, whether you like her or not.  Possibly one of the best politicians in the UK.

Agreed Corbyn and Sanders are differentiated by ideology. Whether their ideology will attract enough support to be elected and have enough power to implement their ideas is dubious.

 

The "Squad" I think made a mistake in their joint response, which to me played into Trump's hands. They are individuals with different backgrounds and somewhat differing political positions. Trump wants them to be seen as a cohort of "Un-American" outsiders with un-American leftist socialist views. As another poster said, mainstream democrats see them (or rather their high media profile, particularly that of the media star New York Senator Ocasio-Cortez (ACE)) as unhelpful in trying to attract the votes needed to defeat Trump.

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32 minutes ago, Barack said:

So... "Send her back" is the new "Lock her up."

 

How very Nuremberg. Literally watching a Country divide itself.

 

An absolute ***** of a man.

 

We seem to never learn from history. The silence from republicans is deafening. History is not going look fondly on those ignoring this. 

 

2020 could actually rip America apart. 

 

 

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The conman has to be insane if he thinks racist chants of 'send her back' in reference to one Muslim House rep is going to win him 2020. It is an insane country mind you. 

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All the west coast states and the east coast states should cede from the union and join Canada.

 

Leave the bible thumping racist gun nuts in the arid centre of the country to their own devices.

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Rodger Mellie
11 minutes ago, Cade said:

All the west coast states and the east coast states should cede from the union and join Canada.

 

Leave the bible thumping racist gun nuts in the arid centre of the country to their own devices.

I live in the east coast (Connecticut) and sadly, it too, has its fair share of racist gun nuts.

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5 hours ago, Barack said:

So... "Send her back" is the new "Lock her up."

 

How very Nuremberg. Literally watching a Country divide itself.

 

An absolute ***** of a man.

 

Trump's strategy for 2020 will be a repeat of what won for him in 2016, with a couple of changes:.

 

- 'Send her back' replaces 'Lock her up'.

 

- The four Congresswomen replace Clinton as the people on the left real Americans should hate.

 

- Immigrants at the southern border replace Muslim immigrants as targets of mass hate.

 

- All Democrats are America-hating socialists. (A socialist is the same as a Commy to the uninformed).

 

Bang that message out consistently at Nuremberg-style rallies, and Trump's base will lap it up with a spoon.

 

 

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The Real Maroonblood
1 minute ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Trump's strategy for 2020 will be a repeat of what won for him in 2016, with a couple of changes:.

 

- 'Send her back' replaces 'Lock her up'.

 

- The four Congresswomen replace Clinton as the people on the left real Americans should hate.

 

- Immigrants at the southern border replace Muslim immigrants as targets of mass hate.

 

- All Democrats are America-hating socialists. (A socialist is the same as a Commy to the uninformed).

 

Bang that message out consistently at Nuremberg-style rallies, and Trump's base will lap it up with a spoon.

 

 

That's scary unfortunately. 

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The Real Maroonblood
6 minutes ago, Barack said:

 

 

 

Last night was a stain on American History.

 

Never mind from a political viewpoint.

 

Deplorable.

Fair point. 

I await an attack on homosexuals and lesbians next from this cretan. 

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2 hours ago, JackLadd said:

I note he's at just 41% approval in Texas. If he doesn't carry Texas he's done. 

For some reason, everyone always thinks that Texas is a purely Republican, conservative state. In reality, that's just not true. Although many parts (primarily rural areas) are still rampantly red, the weird thing here is that it is, and always has been, "Texas First", not "America First". There is a great quote in this article, albeit from a member of a group that wants Texas to secede, that shows what I mean:

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"Texas is politically, culturally and economically distinct from the United States as a whole," 

 

Texas Governor Greg Abott is also quoted in there as saying, "What Texans believe in is that we need the United States to be more like Texas. In fact, I believe America longs to be the way Texas is."

 

Also, this article gives a few examples of Texas actually being quite liberal on certain issues, including immigration, gun control (!!) and marijuana when compared to the rest of the country.

 

Clicky

 

Not having a go by the way JackLadd, just quoted your post as a lead-in to mine. :) But I ******* love living in Texas. 

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55 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Lost the ****ing plot.

 

Quite the remark from a man who has publicly said that if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he would date her.  Even as a joke (if it was a joke), that's a disturbing comment from any father.

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2 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Quite the remark from a man who has publicly said that if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he would date her.  Even as a joke (if it was a joke), that's a disturbing comment from any father.

 

Not really when you see film last night of his cosy relationship with Epstein as they look at and comment on women.  I am sure the Southern District Court investigators will if it is there secure and publish the evidence that could indicate sharing of some preferences with Epstein.

I am obviously running out of time in my asertion that he won't complete his first term, I will now add a new one that if he is reelected his next move will be to seek a third term. This apparently being the only way he will avoid at some time going to jail. Last night I caught him again doing his Mussolini assertive jaw clenched, strong profile pose, if he continues his nonsense he may some day copy Mussolinis other pose dangling from a lamp post.

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Francis Albert
2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Trump's strategy for 2020 will be a repeat of what won for him in 2016, with a couple of changes:.

 

- 'Send her back' replaces 'Lock her up'.

 

- The four Congresswomen replace Clinton as the people on the left real Americans should hate.

 

- Immigrants at the southern border replace Muslim immigrants as targets of mass hate.

 

- All Democrats are America-hating socialists. (A socialist is the same as a Commy to the uninformed).

 

Bang that message out consistently at Nuremberg-style rallies, and Trump's base will lap it up with a spoon.

 

 

Correct and predictable. The key question is whether the Democrats can respond more effectively than last time. The early signs are not too encouraging. So far they have been been more effective in attacking each other, maybe inevitable in a long primary campaign with a crowded field. An example was Kamala Harris's attack on Biden which gave her a high rating in the first TV debate, but historically a rather naïve, simplistic hit. Within days Harris herself came under attack for being , when District Attorney of San Francisco, about the only DA in the Bay Area who showed no interest in pursuing allegations of paedophilia in the Catholic Church, a stance she maintained when Californian DA. Digging up supposed skeletons in each others past doesn't seem the best way of beating the incumbent whose skeletons are openly rattling daily (and indeed are all too alive). 

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JudyJudyJudy
On 17/07/2019 at 16:22, Boris said:

 

Hmm...for all his faults, I reckon Corbyn at least has a semblance of ideological discourse about him. Sanders in the US too.

 

Perhaps both lack charisma, but intellectually they tower over Trump.

 

I also think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has something about her too.

 

In European terms, Merkel was head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

In the UK, there aren't that many, especially the leaders as they are all trained in the art of media rather than policy (see Corbyn - why did he get the best labour vote since 1945?)  But Labour could really do with getting the good back benchers on side fast!

 

Closer to home, Sturgeon is decent, whether you like her or not.  Possibly one of the best politicians in the UK.

Great summary . Well said. 

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JudyJudyJudy
2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Fair point. 

I await an attack on homosexuals and lesbians next from this cretan. 

Yes that will be his next plan of " action" hes playing to his fan base. Foul man

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Jambo-Jimbo
2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Fair point. 

I await an attack on homosexuals and lesbians next from this cretan. 

 

Hasn't he already singled out Transgender's in the Military?

It's a short hop from there to turn on other's within the LBGT community, especially if he listens to the bible bashers.

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8 hours ago, Des Lynam said:

 

We seem to never learn from history. The silence from republicans is deafening. History is not going look fondly on those ignoring this. 

 

2020 could actually rip America apart. 

 

 

any split in 2020 could make brexit look like a lovers tiff.

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JudyJudyJudy
23 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Hasn't he already singled out Transgender's in the Military?

It's a short hop from there to turn on other's within the LBGT community, especially if he listens to the bible bashers.

Yes but not as ferocious at the attack’s on the squad but it will come ! He’s a sick

man 

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23 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

any split in 2020 could make brexit look like a lovers tiff.

California are thinking about it.

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Did anyone see J Hunt and his R word pish. This man thinks he should be PM and he won't call Trump out.

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All roads lead to Gorgie
12 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Sorry, but what's wrong with America. Shocking!

How the same country that is celebrating the fantastic achievement of putting a man on the moon can now elect this racist man child. Unbelievable! 

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Trump is validating,  legitimising,  empowering a latent racism to manifest itself.      His natural support see him being an openly racist thug and are venting their own similar views.     It must be ok... the president is doing it.    

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2 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Correct and predictable. The key question is whether the Democrats can respond more effectively than last time. The early signs are not too encouraging. So far they have been been more effective in attacking each other, maybe inevitable in a long primary campaign with a crowded field. An example was Kamala Harris's attack on Biden which gave her a high rating in the first TV debate, but historically a rather naïve, simplistic hit. Within days Harris herself came under attack for being , when District Attorney of San Francisco, about the only DA in the Bay Area who showed no interest in pursuing allegations of paedophilia in the Catholic Church, a stance she maintained when Californian DA. Digging up supposed skeletons in each others past doesn't seem the best way of beating the incumbent whose skeletons are openly rattling daily (and indeed are all too alive). 

 

For the Dems, there's a real danger of shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Trump's popularity has been pegged at about 42.5% for the last five months. He got 46% of the popular vote in 2016, so 42.5% is not enough for him to win. But if the Dems put forward a dodgy nominee, there could be a few % of the electorate who decide that the "devil they know" is a safer bet, and give Trump the margin he needs for victory.

 

The Democratic nomination process is turning into a disturbing farce.

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Francis Albert
1 hour ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

How the same country that is celebrating the fantastic achievement of putting a man on the moon can now elect this racist man child. Unbelievable! 

The nation who put a man on the moon was a LOT more racist than the USA of today. Fortunately it didn't have Trump, Fox News, social media etc. And it had some experienced politicians, many not very admirable, but capable of putting someone like Trump in his place.

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